Conference 7.286::digital

    Could you let us know, if the employee has done what's consistent with
    Digital policy and culture, namely has the employee approached his (or
    her) line management and personnel management and fully persued this
    through the Open Door Policy?
    
    If you want an opinion of what's "fair", you'll proabably get a
    hundred of 'em here as replies. 

As a hiring manager, I have made offers to coops that worked at DEC
prior to graduating.  These offers were as Wage Class 4 positions,
at significantly higher salaries than are paid to coops, as "New College
Hire" offers.

This is not only standard practice, but encouraged.  Coops that stay
with Digital (those who receive an offer and accept), receive some
credit for their coop service in terms of benefits like vacation time
(see Policies and Procedures).  Digital values a coops DEC experience.

It is my understanding that a 'college hire' is someone that has
recently graduated from college (internal or external) that has
not worked in the field for another company since graduation.

For groups under Jack Smith, have your personnel rep contact Jane Goring
(College Relations) for an official definition, and answers on this
entire topic.

                   I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                         Date:      19-Aug-1988 07:55pm EDT
                                         From:      ALAN MERRY @CFO 
                                                    MERRY.ALAN AT A1 AT BARTLE AT CFO 
                                         Dept:      CORP COLLEGE RELATIONS
                                         Tel No:    251-1398

TO: See Below

Subject: Corporate Definition of New College Graduate


    
    
    
    
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    TO: Deanna Sklenak                  DATE:  15 August 1988
                                        FROM:  Alan Merry, Manager
    CC: @Staff                          DEPT:  Corporate College Relations
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    SUBJECT:  Corporate Definition of New College Graduate
    
    The corporate definition of a new college graduate for purposes of 
    tracking number of hires is:
    
        Any individual who is signed up as a full time exempt employee no 
        later than twelve months from the date of graduation.  The spirit of 
        the college hiring program is that the individual possess an 
        accredited degree which meets the needs of the business in his/her 
        professional positions.  The exception regarding timeframe after 
        graduation would be the individual who enrolled in the armed services 
        directly after graduation.  In this instance, they would be 
        considered a new college graduate if they signed up no later than 
        twelve months from date of separation.  The overlying assumption is 
        that the potential employee serve the minimum time after graduation 
        necessary to fulfill their military obligation.                      
    


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XCUSME::KING "Give me a Challenge"                    5 lines  20-AUG-1988 06:36
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    How does this affect a current employee who graduates from college
    while working for DEC?  Will they be considered a new college graduate
    if they apply for a position they had trained for in college?
    
    Bryan
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    That's what the words say. I think it provides an opportunity, for
    those who need or want it, to improve their title or salary to match
    those of new college hires. It seems very reasonable to me. 
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    re. XXX.1.
    
    It means that as a digital employee who has recently graduated from
    college/university, you can apply for a job within an organization
    as a "college new hire".
    
    The problem I have found is that some groups in DEC only consider
    someone who is straight from school, low twenties in age, no or little
    DEC experience, and with a sheep skin - as only new college hire.
    

    Re: .3
    
    One problem with the definition in .3 is that it doesn't account for
    people with ABD degrees (All But Dissertation).  That is, people who
    work on a Ph. D. for several years, getting a Master's early in the
    process, but never completing the Ph. D.  This is a relatively common
    occurrence, and we should be quite willing to hire such people.
    
       Gary 

        I believe (I may be mistaken) that the "new college hire" program
        is targeted specifically at people with undergraduate degrees,
        not at people with advanced degrees and graduate work.
        
        Also, I believe that any groups that are discriminating against
        older college graduates, particularly those who may have work
        experience in addition to a recent college degree (as reply .4
        claims happens) is not in the best interest of Digital, but that's
        just my opinion.  And I believe that discriminating against older
        people in general is not in Digital's best interest.  I certainly
        hope it isn't happening.
        
        Tom

    Re .6:
    
    "Discriminating against older people in general" is certainly
    "not in Digital's best interest." Not only that, it's illegal. 

    
      This is interesting to me, because in December, I'll be graduating
    with my B.S. in Mathematics, and I've been working at DEC during
    the entire process (4 years in Sept.)  Other persons (my parents)
    have expressed concern that if after I've graduated, I'll be
    "restricted" to the limitations of the new college graduate status,
    losing the privileges/rights of 4 years internal experience.
    
       Does this affect me in that way?
    
    
    					-mjg
    

                At worst the "new college hire" that has been working
        for DEC for a number of years should be treated like a co-op
        student. It actually should help.
                
                My experience (back in 1975):
                I hired in as a technician with an Associate degree from
        Wentworth Institute (a local tech oriented two year school at
        that time - well respected) and about three years (out of five) of
        undergraduate work at Northeastern University (I was still going
        nights). When I got my degree, I was promoted to Engineer with an
        appropriate salary increase.
                
                The applicability of your degree to your immediate work
        is obviously going to make a big difference to what happens to
        your position and/or salary. If your group cannot use your
        degree skills, then maybe you need to look for one that can and
        get the right job.
                
                There obviously isn't going to be a single formula that
        can (or should) apply to all cases. This is something that you
        will need to take up with your management and personel as needed
        to get you what you think you are worth. Also remember that you
        didn't suddenly get all your added knowledge and skills on the
        day you graduated, you acquired them over time, and if you were
        in the right job, have already been using them. Thus it is
        possible that you are already in the job that you belong in, and
        are also already being properly rewarded for your skills.
        Getting that degree may not be a big event to your boss,
        especially if you have received good to excellent ratings over
        the last few raise periods. He may feel that he has already
        rewarded you for your efforts and that the degree is merely
        confirmation of that achievment.
                
                Don't read to much negativity into these statements.
        Merely try to see where you really are in relation to the real
        world. I was a tech and should have been an engineer, so the
        promotion and raise was appropriate. You may already be in the
        right position and thus no big change can occur.
                
                /s/     Bob

    Re: .5, .6, .7
    
    Sorry.  I was taking the definition of college hire out of the current
    context and applying it to a different problem.  Namely, who can
    we hire when there's a hiring freeze on and only college hiring
    is allowed.  
    
    This is close to home for me, because I was hired during such a freeze
    as a "college hire" shortly after my third pass at my dissertation was
    rejected and I realized I didn't really want to be an academic anyway.
    
       Gary