Conference 7.286::digital

     Your guess  is  100% correct.  Somewhere in here there is a previous
     note on the  subject.  It is official "unofficial" parking for VP's,
     KO, and their Secs.    I  say  "unofficial" since this allows DEC to
     deny that anyone is treated any differently from the grunt worker.
     
     I got into an argument  with  a  Security  Manager about such thinly
     disguised parking approximately a year ago  and  they  admitted what
     these spaces were for.  [They also  give  visiting  execs real "blue
     passes  to  park  in these spots for a  meeting  or  such,  but  the
     "special" DECies sport no such designations on their vehicles.]

    Seems like one of the things we used to believe in is joining
    "myths of the past" again. I haven't seen many replies on this
    note. Can anyone confirm/deny this ?
    
    Fred
    

    I tried to report a  VP in Marlboro about a year ago for constantly
    parking his car in the visitors spots.  (even though he got there
    before anyone else, and could have parked in almost any other spot
    in the lot)
    
    The converstaion with security was like this:
    
    me:	"Did you know that there is a DEC employee parked in the visitor
         spot"
    
    Security:  "No, which one is it"
    
    me:  "it's that black Mercedes 190 in the second spot"
    
    Security:  "Do you know who owns it"
    
    
    me:  "yes, it's Harvey Weiss"
    
    
    Security:  "Well, I'm not going to do anything about it, why don't
                YOU tell him"
    
    
    
    
    After that, I was rather discouraged. (he still parked there when
    I left MRO, in August, so that was at least 8 months of parking,
    and last time I was there (about a month ago) he was still parking
    there)
    
    
    -bill

    Eight months is a long "visit" isn't it!  I'm sure he would have
    straightened out if security had laid one of their "parking violations"
    on him, right?  Anyone who has to get here before anybody else
    must not be quite up do doing the job, right?                   :-)
    
    

I wonder what his supervisor will say when they get a copy of the 
ticket?    8-)

-mark

  I am surprised at how far they are willing to go at the Mill to
preserve the illusion that there is no "exceutive privilege" at
DEC. I would rather see them openly set aside reserved parking for
vice presidents and above. 
  This is slightly off the subject, but at MRO3 they roped off an
area of about 40 parking spaces for customers. I only visit MRO3
once a month and this is the first time I saw it. Half the spaces
were empty when I was there (12:30-1:15 today). Does anyone know
how long this area has been roped off, why they did it, and whether
it is permanent? I know "the customer is king", but this seems a
little excessive.

   RE: .-1
    
    
    I had heard about that.   There used to be 1 row, with about 15
    or 20 spots reserved (with signs in front of them) reserved for
    customers, but folks like Weiss (and some of the people that work
    for him) kept parking there.  Hopefully, they got the message and
    DEC doesn't have to hire a parking attendant to keep track of the
    parking spaces.
    
    
    As for Harvey parking at MRO3.  He had one of those little 'visitor'
    thingies stuck in his windshield.  Security knew it was his car
    (I wasn't the only person who told them about it) but did nothing
    because he was a VP (they didn't say that, but I'm sure that was
    the reason)
    

     Re: .2 
     
>    Seems like one of the things we used to believe in is joining "myths
>    of the past"  again.  I haven't seen many replies on this note.  Can
>    anyone confirm/deny this ?

     Well, like many "myths  of  the  past", we are getting to be a LARGE
     Company and are starting to behave as such, even if we fail to admit
     it!
     
     For proof, I received a memo from a Security Manager which responded
     to my flames at an Employee parked  in  a  Visitor  space.  The memo
     admitted  that  the  "Blue  Pass"  spaces  are  for   VP's  &  their
     Secretaries.   KO parks in a space marked "Company  Vehicle"  beside
     Bldg 10. 

Commenting on: < Note 246.8 by SAFETY::SEGAL "Len Segal" >
     
> The memo admitted  that  the  "Blue  Pass"  spaces  are  for   VP's
> &  their Secretaries.

How about Blue Pass spaces for VP's and their engineers?  How about Blue 
Pass spaces for VP's and their technicians?  How about Blue Pass spaces 
for VP's and their personnel and finance people?

> Big company and are starting to behave as such, even if we fail to admit it!

Flame on (possibly based on faulty info):

So no more equality here I guess.  Is that why the masses got a 5% pay 
raise last year and the VP's got 38%?  (Data on VP salary raises from 
secondhand report of story in the Middlesex News).

Flame off.

Well, I think it's too bad that RHIP is invading Digital.  Inevitable I 
suppose, but still I will mourn the passing of a democratic company.

One of the bad side effects of giving our priveledges according to rank 
is that now people will devote efforts to comparing how their status 
compares to the person down the hall and more effort to obtaining those 
priveledges that indicate `status' instead of being productive.

This introduction of rank and status and priveledge also has another bad 
effect.  Those lower on the ladder now see a disproportionate reward for 
their efforts.  The ideal at one time that is we all worked hard we 
would all share equally in the success.  A status based community 
removes that incentive.  Patterns of thought along the lines of "why 
should work harder or be more productive,  the VP will get all the 
good stuff and I'll just get the short end of the stick" start to show 
up.

Well, RIP a democratic company.  Still the best place around, but a 
little less satisfying.

"every time that wheel goes 'round,
        bound to cover just a little more ground..."

Bob

    Privileges like executive parking don't bother me much.  The
    way I figure, if you can woo someone with a free privilege
    rather than pay him or her a few bucks more, you've saved
    the company some money.
    
    However, the deceptive marking of the spaces is very bothersome.
    It's a "white lie" told at a company that used to have honesty
    at the top of the list of its rules.
    
    MATT

    	DEC should have reserved parking slots by badge number....KO
    gets #1, etc.
    
    KMP
    
    

    >	DEC should have reserved parking slots by badge number....KO
    > gets #1, etc.

          U.S. military officers have "seniority numbers", which determine
          rank and seniority between any two individuals.  I have seen
          many fights break out using these numbers, for such things
          as size and location of an office, parking space assignments,
          and seating arrangements in the dining room.  I would hate
          to see badge numbers be used as a basis for anything except
          identification.
          
          When you joined the company is only an unofficial seniority
          and has nothing to do with business. Trying to mix this in,
          even for something as "innocent" as parking places, would
          interfere with the genuine management seniority structure.

    I used to work for a company in which all parking slots were reserved
    by badge number.  My badge number was 18026, and I had a slot well
    away from the main door.  When I'd been there about 6 years I got
    a call from a secretary telling me that because of my comparatively
    low badge number I now qualified for a slot close to the main door.
    
    I turned down the offer, because my old slot was close to the side
    door leading to the basement, and my office was in the basement.
    I told her to give my privileged slot to someone who would otherwise
    not get one.
    
    Here at Digital my badge number is 41223, so I would probably have
    to wait a long time to get the slot nearest the door.  I prefer
    the current first-come-first-served scheme.  I was the second car
    in the parking lot this morning, so I got a very good slot.  I normally
    come in early: partly to read NOTES but mostly because I like parking
    close to the door.
        John Sauter

    With all this activity about Blue Pass parking I thought I should
    add my $.02 here also.
    
    There was and still is some good reason to have reserved spots for
    VP's and the like.  Some of these people come and go a lot during
    the day and for them I think the spaces are justified.  How would
    you like one of our VP's being late for a meeting with an important
    customer group having to say: I was in the XYZ plant this morning;
    sorry I'm late but I had to park at a meter downtown.
    
    The former three deep parking lot would make a lot of sense for
    an executive and customer lot; it is used for that most of the time
    anyway.
    
    I DON'T LIKE THE WHITE LIES ABOUT WHAT THE SPACES ARE FOR EITHER!!!
    (That's my other $.01 worth on the subject.)
    
    P.S.  On medical spaces some of them used to have the badge number
    of the owner on them.
    
    	/s/	Roger
    

     I have  no  beef  with  privileged parking for KO & VP's, since they
     frequently have to  run  to meetings at various sites and their time
     is tight and valuable {please no flames about us grunts and relative
     values of our time}.
     
     My beef is relative to  our  insistence  that such privileges do not
     exist.  It may be a  "small" lie, but it certainly is not in keeping
     with the DEC philosophy of honesty and  "doing the right thing".  We
     should own up to what we are doing.
     

     As for parking by badge number, no thanks!    Even  some of our VP's
     have high badge numbers.  If one started early  with  DEC,  quit and
     comes  back  20  years  later, they still have their original  badge
     number, but very low seniority.

    	The "DEC Way" = do what's right.  And, when right changes...guess
    what happens?  (As is the case with contracts, software & 1000's
    of other things).  
    
    	Parking by badge number...and how about seating by seniority,
    too?  What happened to respectin' your elders??
    
    KMP
    
    

I visited MRO3 again yesterday and that area of the parking lot was
still roped off. Now there is a new wrinkle: the entrance to the
north parking lot was blocked off with orange cones.
  What's going on here? It appears that the parking lots are chock
full and the only way they can provide enough parking for customers
and the like is to use unpredictable restrictions. Unlike the Mill,
there is plenty of land on which to build more parking lots. Why
don't they do it? 
  An even better idea would be to seriously promote carpools and
vanpools. The (temporary?) end of the energy crisis has not elim-
inated the need. Building and maintaining parking lots is expensive,
and you can only put so many parking spaces within reasonable walk-
ing distance of a plant.
  Those of you who have been with DEC may remember the carpool maps
DEC issued about 5 years ago. You can't get them any more. I wanted
to get another copy a few years ago for a friend who didn't know
his way around and couldn't; I had to use the copy machine. Lucky
I had kept my carpool map on file.