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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

146.0. "Education Opportunities" by CRVAX1::ANDREWS () Fri Jun 27 1986 00:26

    Hi there.
    
    I hope that someone can give me a hand.
    
    I am a new part-time operator.  I am interested in learning more
    about how to do my job better.  But, my supervisor is reluctant
    about sending me to classes.  I figure he is worried about me learning
    the stuff, then leaving for more bucks somewhere else.
    
    I, on the other hand don't plan on doing that.  I really enjoy my
    job here, and want to stay.
    
    My question is, how should I go about convincing him I want to do
    a good job and I won't leave ?
    
    Has anyone ANY advice for me ?
    
    					Rob Andrews
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146.1VIRTUE::DICKINSONFri Jun 27 1986 01:5510
    
    Have you considered telling him what you just wrote in your basenote?
    The way you have stated your views, I would think that only
    a very unreasonable manager would object.
    
    good luck,
    
    Peter
    
    
146.2MTV::KLEINBERGERGale KleinbergerFri Jun 27 1986 03:1850
    Re: .0
    
    I think as in .1 said, you first need to sit down with your manager,
    and have a one-on-one talk.  When you approach this meeting, don't
    go in without your homework.  Some things you should have researched
    are the following:
    
    	- Your job code as it stands now
    	- Your job requirements as it stands now
    		* both of these can be obtained thru personnel
    	- Where your strenghts and weaknesses are to meet your job
	  requirments now
    	- DEC courses and seminars that can help you change the weaknesses
    	  to strenghts, and a listing of when these meet
    		*this can be obtained through Bedford Education Services
	- Outside courses (Jr. College/ 4 year institution) that can
    	  help you meet these objectives also
    
    	- A career plan as to where you want your growth to go
    
    		* include next 2 or 3 jobs down the road - choosing
    		  several different avenues perhaps
    
    			o where your strenghts and weaknesses are to
			  reach those career growths
    
    		* include both DEC courses and outside courses that
    		  will help you meet these goals

    - Also include what you see as a possible solution to your problem
    as stated in .0.  Time lines are good.  Try to put down at least
    one course a fiscal quarter, and WHY this course will benefit first
    DEC and then you. You might not get to take that course, but at
    least your full reasons are in black and white where your manager
    can see and absorb, and also address the organizations needs.
    
    Don't just stop at DEC available courses.  There are a multitude
    of colleges around here.  Look into an MIS, CS, BSEE, and other
    degrees.  DEC will reimburse you for your cost, and even advance
    you the money up front as a loan if needed.  If you can get your
    manager to agree that the courses are job related, DEC will even
    pay for the courses upfront and you won't have the money added to
    your W2 at the end of the year (nice Benefit).
    
    If your manager can see you are serious, and have done a considerable
    amount of upfront leg work, I think you will find him/her more willing
    totalk to you and to help you set a career path for yourself, and
    help you obtain it.
    
    	- Gale
146.4Focus on Development, Not ClassesDONJON::DELUCOMon Jun 30 1986 14:3712
    There  could be many reasons your supervisor may be reluctant to
    send you to formal classes.  The thing you should be working first,
    however, is not classes, but your development/training.  Classes
    may fit into the solution, but probably only as a piece of it.
    
    My suggestion is to work a job evaluation process with your supervisor.
    Get yourself to a point where you are being evaluated and work the
    development and training objectives.
    
    There are many ways to get training in DEC, including formal classes.
    Good luck.
    
146.5classes are means to an endALIEN::MCCULLEYHot Stuff, or just a Flamer?Thu Jul 10 1986 07:1725
    I'd second .4, classes are at most a piece of the solution.
    
    the real issue is to get your supervisor and yourself working together
    to define your present job requirements, evaluate how you fill them,
    and planning how you can grow within that job and into another job.
    
    the risk with pushing classes and qualifications themselves without
    fitting them into a career plan is that your manager might see that
    as meaning that you intend to use the present job as a stepping
    stone that will leave him with a vacancy to fill as soon as he gets
    your compentance up.  Instead you want to plan a reasonable growth
    path that lets you build from your current job, preferrably into
    new areas that can contribute to your present organization.  That
    way he's investing in his own (or, his organization's) future as well 
    as yours.
    
    as was pointed out above, you can get copies of the job description
    from personnel - but you might also want to ask your supervisor
    for *his* definition of your job.  After all, that's the yardstick
    he'll use to write your review.  And it helps let him know that
    you're trying to define a career path - tell him that's why you
    want it!  Also, get the description for the next level or two, to
    see what you're aiming for in your present job.
    
    and good luck!