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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

32.0. "This file IS censured! (?)" by GVAEDU::CASELLINI () Thu Apr 25 1985 13:40

Re <<this files seems to be censured what?>>

Yes, it really looks like.

So, I wonder, wich could be the reason.

I only can see two reasons:

1.	People are not interested anymore.

2.	People are afraid of noting in here.

In both way, it is wrong and against DEC policy.

1.	Not to be interested, shows, that we do not care about our problems,
	and that is bad, because if we do not show any interest for our
	corporation, then it means that we do not like it, and all we want,
	is the money at the end of the month.

2.	Beeing afraid of noting here, means that we didn't understand half
	a word of what was written in here, or that all what was written,
	(negative things) are true. Both way show us something of wich we
	must get rid.

Norbert (not afarid of censureship) (sp?)

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32.1SMILEY::SZETOFri Apr 26 1985 08:3014
  I am interested in hearing your reasons for saying that this file is being
  censored.  Not being a regular reader, I am not familiar with what is going
  on in this file.  Are you saying that notes have been removed from here?
  Are you saying that someone is telling people not to say certain things? 

  If it is the lack of participation, there could be reasons other than
  censorship.  Decreasing interest is certainly a good possibility.  There
  could be various reasons for the lack of interest, not all of which are
  necessarily bad.                                                        

  Please don't misunderstand.  I'm not saying that you shouldn't say what
  you said.  I just don't understand WHY you said it.

--Simon
32.2GVAEDU::CASELLINIFri Apr 26 1985 15:549
My note, was referring to the subtitle of this notes-file, wich says exactely
the same.

In fact it is true. At the beginning there was a big rush in this file, and
a lot of people flamed out and explained themselfs. Right now, it seems that
only you and me are reading this...(It looks as if the file, right next to
this one, is more interesting...)

Norbert
32.3LEZAH::HAKKARAINENFri Apr 26 1985 18:5919
For what it's worth -

My reason for not participating, during the past couple of weeks, is that
the ``across the pond'' connection has been dreadful lately. As much as I
enjoy participating in these discussions, I can't afford to wait a minute
for each note and reply.

Perhaps something got lost in a translation. Censured means to punish; censor
means to inhibit free expression. In either case it's bad. Of course, in most
NotesFiles, people perform self-censorship, meaning that they are careful about
what they write in public. In the case of people having trouble with their
bosses, etc. I'd expect that there's a good bit of that. No sense in making
matters worse by saying things that you'd later regret.

At any rate, I do look forward to participating in this file, but I generally
have to wait until the weekends to do so.

kh
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32.4SPEX::ANDYFri Apr 26 1985 22:227
My resons for not participating are simple: I do not find that it is very 
constructive to make comments into a vacuum, which, unfortunatly, this 
file is, in reality. I prefer to talk constructively to my manager.

sorry 'bout that

andy
32.5BZERKR::THOMPSONSat Apr 27 1985 03:129
There are two reasons that I have not said much in this file for a while.

1) Time! I am going flat out these days and have very little time even for
the files that are DIRECTLY related to my job.

2) I have adopted the attitude that when I have nothing to say I will not
say anything. I have not had anything to say lately.

Alfred
32.6GVAEDU::CASELLINISat Apr 27 1985 22:0912
Re .4:

Andy,

You must understand, that there are people, who *cannot* have a constructive
talks to their managers. These kinf od people (I am part of it) need help
form people like you, to reach what they need. 

The fact that you can constructively talk to your manager, does not mean,
that I can also do so to mine.

Norbert
32.7PRSIS3::DTLTue May 14 1985 19:264
I didn't write anymore in this file since today because I have been asked
to do so.

Didier
32.8exKERNEL::ABELLThu Mar 31 1988 16:129
    Regarding the subject of "Censorship..." After reading 27.26 and
    then 27.41 (now this may be all in my mind) I get a feeling that
    the later comment ie 27.41 may have been invoked by "corrective
    comments"  by someone other than the author of the note.
    Now I am not criticising just letting an active mind run wild.
    
    If anyone else feels the same or not then please add your comments
    yours curious
    Alan.