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Conference kernel::csguk_systems

Title:CSGUK_SYSTEMS
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Moderator:KERNEL::ADAMS
Created:Wed Mar 01 1989
Last Modified:Thu Nov 28 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:242
Total number of notes:1855

180.0. "IS & OPS Support" by KERNEL::BLAND (Norman Bland 833 3797 CSC, Basingstoke) Wed May 11 1994 00:57

    This note is reserved for reporting any perceived problems with the
    service received from Information Services or Operations Support group.
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180.1KERNEL::ANTHONYWed May 11 1994 01:4811
    
    	can someone (Norman?) put a list of their names and phone nos. here
    	of these groups... the biggest problem I have is contacting them.
    
    	Also (Norman?) can you lay down the guidelines  for reporting
    	problems, and which problems should get reported where.. 
    
    	I get really confused where the split is between IS and ops support
    	
    	Brian
    
180.2OPS Support or I.S.???KERNEL::BLANDNorman Bland 833 3797 CSC, BasingstokeWed May 11 1994 16:0936
    re .1
    
    Here's the first part. This is an almost exact extract from ROUTER. If
    it is does not reflect the real world, then ROUTER needs updating. The
    search clue is the first line.
    
    Norman
    
OPS Support or I.S.???

	OPS SUPPORT:                     Tel:4300
	============
	The Operations Support group should be called on problems with
        APPLICATIONS used by Customer Services.
        Currently the applications supported by Ops Support are:

        NICE, ECSO/CLD, TIMA/STARS, AES/DSN, DSIN/DECtel, MODEM SERVER,
        RSF/DSDN, PAMS, WHO IS, ROTA, X-SITE, CANASTA.


	I.S. (INFORMATION SERVICES):     Tel:3030
	============================
	Information Services should be called on problems with the
        production environment e.g:

        KERNEL, NICES, UBOHUB nodes, NETWORK (all-in-1, Message Router),
        WORKSTATIONS, PRINTERS, EASYNET (DIGITAL INTERNAL NETWORK), NQM, 
        PASSWORD CHANGES, VMS ACCOUNTS ..etc...

	NOTE: The NORTHERN NICE node (NICEN) is looked after by Warrington
        I.S. for 
        Password changes and vms accounts etc.

	Tel: 7851-3030
    
    
180.3KERNEL::ANTHONYWed May 11 1994 19:053
    
    	thanks
    
180.4some guidelinesKERNEL::BLANDNorman Bland 833 3797 CSC, BasingstokeThu May 12 1994 14:2541
    re .1
    
    Now for the second part. I did not expect to be asked this question and
    I feel that it would be better for people to express their
    problems/issues in their own words. However if it is guidelines you
    want, I'll have a go. Others may have useful suggestions too. More
    importantly, if you do not put your problems/issues forward, then the
    perception will be that there aren't any.
    
    Norman.
    
    	GUIDELINES FOR REPORTING ISSUES WITH THE PERCEIVED SERVICE FROM
    	===============================================================
    		INFORMATION SERVICES & OPERATIONS SUPPORT
    		=========================================
    
    	a) A brief description of the problem/issue that you have requested
    	   to be resolved. NOTE: You may only be requesting information.
    
    	b) Did you receive a log #?. State the log # (useful for tracking).
    
    	c) If you did not get a log # (might not be applicable), with whom
    	   did you speak; does he or she work in IS or OPS Support.
    
    	d) Did the problem/issue get resolved to your satisfaction. If no,
    	   were you given any reason.
    
    	e) If the problem/issue has not been resolved, have IS or OPS
    	   Support escalated the problem. If yes, with whom.
    
    	The above could be summarised as:-
    
    	1) PROBLEM STATEMENT or REQUEST.
    
    	2) LOG #.
    
    	3) NAME OF PERSON YOU SPOKE TO and WHAT FUNCTION (IS/OPS Support)
    
    	4) PROBLEM RESOLVED (Yes/No). If No, WHAT REASONS were given.
    
    	5) PROBLEM BEEN ESCALATED - to WHOM.
180.5KERNEL::ANTHONYSat May 14 1994 00:0716
    
    	Norman,
    
    	I didn't make myself clear..
    
    	My reference to "reporting problems" was in the context of 
    	problem reporting to IS/Ops Support not here in the notesfile.
    
    	My "problem" was the disctinction between IS and Ops Support
    	(now answered - thanks) and general guideline for reporting
    	problems to them. Also a list of their names -vs- the applications
    	they support would be helpfull.
    
    	hopefully clearer
    
    	Brian
180.6It all makes sense now - I think!KERNEL::BLANDNorman Bland 833 3797 CSC, BasingstokeSat May 14 1994 00:573
    I am glad you made that clear - I'll will supply a list of names.
    
    Norman
180.7And they call this service.........KERNEL::PETTETNorm Pettet CSC BasingstokeTue May 17 1994 13:1815
    I had a problem with starting BOOKREADER on my workstation.
    
    1) Problem logged at 16-May-1994:10:30 IS log number #10965
    2) Donna from the Crescent rang at 13:30
    3) Problem thought to be fixed at 14:10 but wasn't
    4) Problem finally fixed at 17:00 (after I had gone home)
    
    	It's a real issue that IS don't have a sense of urgency with these 
    problems!!
    
    	Perhaps they ought to have a users charter - if problem is NOT
    fixed in 1 hour they pay us!!
                    
    Regards,
    		Norm
180.8What a load of !!!!!KERNEL::ADAMSBrian Adams CSC-Viables '833-3026Sat Jun 18 1994 13:4825
    
    I had problems this last week, with my workstation hanging up.
    
    I phoned IS and was told "Well, it probably needs rebooting"
    
    My response was "WHY !!!!!"
    
    The IS person was very offhand and not only didn't seem interested
    but didn't suggest that he would investigate etc etc. There was no
    concern that we were in a live environment.
    
    While talking to him, I found that Ken's workstation also hung in the
    same way as mine.
    
    While I was trying to push the IS person into looking at Boot Servers
    etc, our two workstations came back to life.
    
    Obviously no problem with the wortkstations, but something on the 
    network or boot servers.
    
    When will IS appreciate that we need them to respond positively and in 
    real time, when we have a problem. If we were real customers, paying 
    real contract money to such a bunch of $%^&*, then they would have to
    get their act sorted out, or else.
     
180.9WS crashes/hangsKERNEL::BLANDNorman Bland 833 3797 CSC, BasingstokeSat Jun 18 1994 18:5017
    
    I have been out of the office for a week and so I had turned the power
    off to my WS monitor. On returning to work 09:00 Saturday 18-JUN-94, I
    powered my monitor back on. I preceded to use the WS until I had need
    to read outstanding mail.
    
    NOTE that the sessions I was using had been started a week or two
    before.
    
    When I clicked on the READ NEW MAIL button, the three open windows that
    I had went blank; I waited for them to be re-painted. This did not
    happen, so I hit the RETURN key and found the WS at the >>> prompt.
    Within the last two weeks I have come in on shift to find that my WS
    has rebooted but my colleagues WS's have been OK.
    Also, recently we have had a problem where the SESSION MANAGER has
    disappeared - the only fix was to reboot.
    
180.10lost session manager AGAIN !!!!!KERNEL::PETTETNorm Pettet CSC BasingstokeSat Jun 25 1994 07:345
    Lost my session manager at about 25-Jun-1994:02:00 during my night
    shift. This problem needs to be resolved as its now beyond a joke!!
    Perhaps someone can raise this with IS during the week.
    
    Norm 
180.11Not just that, but also.KERNEL::ADAMSBrian Adams CSC-Viables '833-3026Mon Jun 27 1994 16:006
    
    Looks like all of us had the same problem.
    
    Any paused workstations were unlocked and open to abuse, by anyone else 
    around.
    
180.12KERNEL::WRIGHTONI'll call you back later, alright !Mon Jul 04 1994 12:0216
    
    
    	Looks like the problem was induced by IS themselves. They were 
    	trying to apply some security update to V18 that was complaining
    	about file access and file protections. The only way that they
    	could fix this was by killing processes. Finally, they managed
    	to do the work on the weekend of the 24/25 JUN at 03:00. 
    
    	Now that the security update has been applied there should be 
    	no more tinkering with processes, certainly my workstation has
    	been ok since then. 
    
    	Nice to know that the left and right hands of IS are in full
    	communication at all times.
    
    	Dave