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Title:CSGUK_SYSTEMS
Notice:No restrictions on keyword creation
Moderator:KERNEL::ADAMS
Created:Wed Mar 01 1989
Last Modified:Thu Nov 28 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:242
Total number of notes:1855

97.0. "RDC on Microvax" by KERNEL::ROBB () Tue Mar 27 1990 21:50

Hello all,
	This is just to put everyone in the picture on microvaxes on RDC.
Marketing are sending out the message to both sales and customer service
advising that we are NOW in a position to remotely diagnose a number of 
microvaxes. I have attached the message that is going out.

Ken Robb

*************************************************************************



  
                RECOMMENDATIONS FOR RDC ON MICROVAXES



Make RDC available on all microvax 3500, 3600, 3800, and 3900 systems where the
system has a decnet connection to a system already on RDC. 


  +-------+
  |       | Modem -----------/    /------------- CSC
  +-------+
      |
      |
      |
      |
  +-------+  Host system already on RDC
  |       |  
  +-------+
      |                            DECNET
      +------------------------------------------------------------
      |                  |                   |                    |
  +-------+          +-------+           +-------+            +-------+
  |       |          |       |           |       |            |       |
  +-------+          +-------+           +-------+            +-------+
                    
                                  Microvaxes




Any microvax systems should be registered on RSDS with the microvax details.
Registration should follow existing guidelines using either system serial 
number or CLUK number where a cluster number has been assigned.
  The host system serial number should go in the "Access Sys Id:" field of RSDS.
This will allow Diagnosis engineers to use the RSDS system with the DIAL/ACCESS
command. 

Registration should be done by the DEC engineer responsible for the site. At 
the same time a link check should be carried out to ensure problem free 
connection. Full connection information should be left with the customer 
(attached to the system) so they know exactly what needs to be done when a
connection needs to be made. This should include :- 

1.Where the host system is.

2.Know how to get the key on the host system turned to the remote secure 
position before calling CSG

3. Know what type of processor the host system is. ie 11780, 8700 etc.

4.The phone number for the host system.

5.The customer should have the password for the microvax as well as password
for the host system.

6.The failing option and problem

The customer should then be instructed to log calls as RDC calls.


 CSC Internal information.
 -------------------------

When the call is logged on RSDS a call type of "MIC" should be used for 
microvax customer calls and a call type of "MTA" for microvax tech assist 
calls.
Calls on microvax options which go to other groups should use the 
appropriate call type, eg bug dis tap com etc.
Bugcheck calls should be dealt with by the bugcheck desk in exactly the same 
way as bugcheck calls are handled now. 
    
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97.1MergingKERNEL::MOUNTFORDTue Jun 05 1990 12:3836

    I had a meeting with Brian Adams, Terry Card & Frank Briggs, re
    merging the Micro Vax element of Office Systems & Systems before
    I caught the pox. Terry spoke to his group & later with me. The
    consensus was that it would be a good move amongst the Office Systems
    engineers I spoke to.           
    
    Terry did point out several features of Micro Vaxes that perhaps
    we are unaware of, for example most diagnosis is phone related
    & of engineer queries regarding configuration problems.
    Another major factor to be considered is the volume of new products
    coming out in the Uvax area compared with new Systems group machines.
    Also the power of some of the newer U's is up to 7 mips, using the
    PELE 4000 for example. The product overlap therefore is quite
    significant. Also in the Office group there tends to be one 
    specialist on each product by default due to the sheer number of
    products on the market. This creates problems when an engineer takes
    leave or training. If a merge took place a greater number of
    specialists could become available via cross-training.
    
 
    A possible merge might also allow us to create specialist
    groups, ie cluster desk, bugcheck desk, Workstation desk etc.
    Another positive factor of merging would be greater customer
    satisfation & standardized analysis, also creating greater
    product scope & career prospects for engineers in both groups.
    I have had some positive feedback already in this conference, but
    I would like to obtain any further comments, suggestions feedback
    etc which may help in developing a joint Systems group.
                                                     
    Feel free to mail me or even speak to me if you want to, offline.
    
    I have also entered this as topic 19.8 in the Systems notes file.
 
    Cheers Richard.
97.2Latest.KERNEL::MOUNTFORDWed Jun 06 1990 14:3135
    Hi guys,

    There seems to be some confusion about the merge of Office & Systems
    groups & Regionalisation. Let me spell out my own viewpoint.

    Firstly it was on the cards that our two groups would at some stage
    merge after Ken Robb had completed his report into the RDC ability
    on Micros. Marketing are letting customers & sales know of the
    go ahead of RDC on micros & to this end we need to get ready for
    an influx of extra calls. Office Systems have little experience
    of dialing into micros & of handling Bugchecks on them. Systems on 
    the other hand have the experience in both areas but not on the Micros
    hardware itself. 
    
    It would be nice to combine resources at the same time as any Regional
    CSC plan if at all possible, but it may not be practical from a
    business point of view. We therefore need to liase to a certain
    extent as to what the Regional group reps meetings come up with
    as far as a CSC model might look like, but in the meantime we need
    to cross-train & get up to speed diagnosing micros & conversely
    train Office engineers on Systems products.
                                                       
    Andy Hopkins is setting up some swaps with the bugcheck desk &
    hopefully Systems can recipricate helping Office out. To this end we 
    need to get some cross-training sorted out. I have obtained
    a list of Office products from Mike Ayling & volumes of calls per
    product. I have also suggested courses for Office engineers. Most
    of the training is IVIS based so I would now like volunteers please.

    The suggested products for Systems engineers are Microvax 2, & the
    3000 series together with Q-bus concepts. For Office engineers 
    BI-concepts, BI adapters & the 8200/8300 systems for starters.
    
    
                      Cheers Richard.
97.3merge yes cross train noKERNEL::ROBBFri Jun 08 1990 04:51146
A reply to Richards mail
See my ! comments
Ken.

From:	KERNEL::KERNEL::MOUNTFORD "06-Jun-1990 1015"  6-JUN-1990 10:44:10.97
To:	@SYSTEMS.DIS
CC:	MOUNTFORD
Subj:	Merger.

    Hi guys,

    There seems to be some confusion about the merge of Office & Systems
    groups & Regionalisation. Let me spell out my own viewpoint.

    Firstly it was on the cards that our two groups would at some stage
    merge after Ken Robb had completed his report into the RDC ability
    on Micros.
	
!I have had full agreement on my proposal for RDC on microvaxes from 
!marketing who are in the process of mailing the field and customers.
!
!The proposal was to make RDC available as a tool should there be a benefit
!in connecting. 
!
!This service should be available on the larger systems (3500, 3600 etc)
!where there is already a decnet connection to a system currently on RDC.


	 Marketing are letting customers & sales know of the
    go ahead of RDC on micros & to this end we need to get ready for
    an influx of extra calls.

!There should be no difference in the number of calls as the customers
!already log all their calls with office systems.


	 Office Systems have little experience of dialling into micros &

!They have had some training from the seminars given by Norm P and John T
!and have already made a number of connections and there is plent of
    !help avialable from our group.

                                  
 of handling Bugchecks on them. 

!They should not have to. My proposal was that all bugchecks went to the 
!bugcheck desk regardless of what size VAX they were on.

    Systems on the other hand have the experience in both areas but not on the
    Micros hardware itself. 

!We have difficulty in getting the skills to cover our own product range 
!without micros hardware as well and I am sure Micros engineers are in exactly
!the same position. We do however have the skills for bugchecks and anyone 
!wishing to progress their career in that direction should do so from within
!that desk.  
 

    It would be nice to combine resources at the same time as any Regional
    CSC plan if at all possible, but it may not be practical from a
    business point of view. We therefore need to liase to a certain
    extent as to what the Regional group reps meetings come up with
    as far as a CSC model might look like,

!I think we need to liase a LOT with both the regional group reps plus ALL of 
!the people affected ie MEMBERS of the systems group before going ahead and
!making decisions like the ones below. Isn't this better done as part of 
!the whole regional discussions and changes with involvement of the regional 
!group reps.

    but in the meantime we need
    to cross-train & get up to speed diagnosing micros & conversely
    train Office engineers on Systems products.

!One of the main problems in the Office group is the vast range of products
!that they have to work on. Mass cross training will only make that problem
!worse, not help to give the customer a better quality service.
!I would suggest that the first thing that is needed is for ALL devices
!be handled by the device group.
!
!In our recent meetings we have talked about the best way for the customer 
!of resolving their problem. The consensus has always been that we should get
!the call to the best specialist as quickly as possible. Office systems 
!engineers are the best specialist in that area. Don't dilute it.
!There are already a high volume of calls in the microvax area.
!We have enough problems getting sufficient training and experience on the
!range of products in each group already.
!I suggest the microvax engineers from the Office system group merge with
!the system group but not the whole of Office systems.

    Andy Hopkins is setting up some swaps with the bugcheck desk &

!All bugchecks should be dealt with by the bugcheck desk. Get the customers
!problem to the best skill.


    hopefully Systems can reciprocate helping Office out. To this end we 
    need to get some cross-training sorted out.

!I don't understand this bit. Cross training will dilute skills and reduce 
!the level of service to the customer at a time when we should be aiming to
!improve it.


    I have obtained
    a list of Office products from Mike Ayling & volumes of calls per
    product. I have also suggested courses for Office engineers. Most
    of the training is IVIS based so I would now like volunteers please.


!Sounds like decisions have already been made. What about OE and some
!group discussion first.

    The suggested products for Systems engineers are Microvax 2, & the
    3000 series together with Q-bus concepts. For Office engineers 
    BI-concepts, BI adapters & the 8200/8300 systems for starters.

!As above

                      Cheers Richard.

    
!I believe there is real benefit to the customer as well as individuals in 
!each group in the systems group merging with VMS, ULTRIX and the micros 
!engineers from office products and that it should go ahead in a coordinated
!way. The merger will give individuals the opportunity to move from one 
!specialist area to another should they so wish and there is a slot available.
!I support a merger with the VMS group but that does not mean we all become
!cross trained on software products and all VMS group become cross 
!trained on hardware products (Unless an individual wishes to change focus).
!It will create a better atmosphere for cooperation between specialists which
!in turn will give the customer a higher level of service without bouncing
!calls from one group to another.
!With Country Support long gone and Product and Technology having less and 
!less hands on CSG is the only place where it is possible to specialse to the
!degree we do. Such specialisation is necessary to support the complex 
!problems we see today on our customers systems today.   

!End of my comments, Ken.



    
    
    
97.4KERNEL::MOUNTFORDFri Jun 08 1990 11:54173

A reply to Ken's comments.
-------------------------
    

!I have had full agreement on my proposal for RDC on microvaxes from 
!marketing who are in the process of mailing the field and customers.
!
!The proposal was to make RDC available as a tool should there be a benefit
!in connecting. 
!
!This service should be available on the larger systems (3500, 3600 etc)
!where there is already a decnet connection to a system currently on RDC.

Presently most Microvaxes are diagnosed by phone & mostly as hardware faults.
By comparison Systems are nearly all diagnosed via dialling in & very few
are hardware faults these days, many are software problems fixed via patches.
Hence the quality of service seen by the same customer on different
machines is different & needs standardising.
	 
!There should be no difference in the number of calls as the customers
!already log all their calls with office systems.

I would suspect that not all calls are logged by the customer at the present
time. From my own experience of dialling into micros I have found either no
dump found or none set up indicating perhaps that bugchecks on micros are not
logged normally.Also we have no idea of how many LAVC'Ed micros crash & are
re-booted straightaway.
	 
!They have had some training from the seminars given by Norm P and John T
!and have already made a number of connections and there is plenty of
    !help available from our group.

You forgot me Ken, I was involved with DSDN in a small way, but my original
comment stands that micros have LITTLE experience of dialling into systems.

:)-
 
!They should not have to. My proposal was that all bugchecks went to the 
!bugcheck desk regardless of what size VAX they were on.

Why shouldn;t they? As you say later we already have a large workload of our
own. Contradictions?

!We have difficulty in covering our own product range without micros hardware
!as well

                       Q.E.D.!

!I think we need to liase a LOT with both the regional group reps plus ALL of 
!the people affected ie MEMBERS of the systems group before going ahead and
!making decisions like the ones below. Isn't this better done as part of 
!the whole regional discussions and changes with involvement of the regional 
!group reps.

I outlined this plan on the 22nd May in note 19.4 in this conference. There
was vocal support from 3 members of the Systems group on this subject. I 
invited Brian Adams & Terry Card along to the meeting with Frank on the
23rd May & duly informed both Office & Systems groups of the contents of
that meeting. I also discussed the proposals with the 4 members of the
Office group out of a possible 7 who would be affected who commented
positively. I cannot pressure people to comment if they don't have the
inclination to reply. I fully agree that discussion is paramount hence
my later mail message yesterday suggesting reps attend our next meeting.

!One of the main problems in the Office group is the vast range of products
!that they have to work on. Mass cross training will only make that problem
!worse, not help to give the customer a better quality service.
!I would suggest that the first thing that is needed is for ALL devices
!be handled by the device group.

Exactly, the product range is large & there are 7 engineers supporting them.
Nobody mentioned "MASS CROSS TRAINING" I spoke about the specific products
covered by RDC in keeping with volumes of calls, the training is only a
day or 2 of IVIS & it would give us the background to the products. There
are no level 2 courses anyway. 
Why should training make the problem of "a vast range of products" worse.
Sorry I don't understand your comment? 
Yes that was also suggested regarding moving Office devices to the Devices
group, I fully support that move.
Also I feel strongly, that customers are bound to benefit from greater
numbers of trained engineers. As Terry pointed out when one of the office
engineer is out there is no expertise on certain products.

!In our recent meetings we have talked about the best way for the customer 
!of resolving their problem. The consensus has always been that we should get
!the call to the best specialist as quickly as possible. Office systems 
!engineers are the best specialist in that area. Don't dilute it.
!There are already a high volume of calls in the microvax area.
!We have enough problems getting sufficient training and experience on the
!range of products in each group already.
!I suggest the microvax engineers from the Office system group merge with
!the system group but not the whole of Office systems.

I agree that only Micros merge, that was proposed. I would also ask you to
consider the effect of not having anybody trained on the products when on
nights. The product range as I mentioned greatly overlaps now, with
the new multi-processors, the main difference from any other Vax is the bus 
system.
We already deal with Unibus/BI/XMI/MASSBUS/Qbus on 11780's & Microvaxes
on Polarstar front ends. We are also expected to take tele-support calls
on any flavour of PDP.


!All bugchecks should be dealt with by the bugcheck desk. Get the customers
!problem to the best skill.

I agree but why specifically Systems engineers, why can't micros engineers
become trained to handle them, why shouldn't their career paths be expanded?


!I don't understand this bit. Cross training will dilute skills and reduce 
!the level of service to the customer at a time when we should be aiming to
!improve it.

I totally disagree. Nobody has been consulted on which products they might
wish to support. Micros are turning out far more products than Systems
products & are barely able to keep pace. I foresee the need at some stage
to drop labels completely. Take the new 9000 Vax totally different in
many ways but people are still trained on it. Would people seriously
object to being trained on a new product in the Systems group if it
was to adopt the Qbus theory. Polarstar for front-end for example? 

    I have obtained
    a list of Office products from Mike Ayling & volumes of calls per
    product. I have also suggested courses for Office engineers. Most
    of the training is IVIS based so I would now like volunteers please.


!Sounds like decisions have already been made. What about OE and some
!group discussion first.

Re my earlier comments, the discussion is open to all & has been sitting
in this conference for 3 weeks. No decisions have been made other than
suggested IVIS training for Systems & office engineers.

                      

!I believe there is real benefit to the customer as well as individuals in 
!each group in the systems group merging with VMS, ULTRIX and the micros 
!engineers from office products and that it should go ahead in a coordinated
!way. The merger will give individuals the opportunity to move from one 
!specialist area to another should they so wish and there is a slot available.
!I support a merger with the VMS group but that does not mean we all become
!cross trained on software products and all VMS group become cross 
!trained on hardware products (Unless an individual wishes to change focus).
!It will create a better atmosphere for Cooperation between specialists which
!in turn will give the customer a higher level of service without bouncing
!calls from one group to another.
!With Country Support long gone and Product and Technology having less and 
!less hands on CSG is the only place where it is possible to specialise to the
!degree we do. Such specialisation is necessary to support the complex 
!problems we see today on our customers systems today.   

!End of my comments, Ken.

I fully support your last comments & feel that all these proposals will come
together. My only interest outlined so far is dealing with Office &
Systems groups. I have attempted to communicate at all times the current
situation & would certainly wish discussion to continue before any
formal decisions on how we merge is adopted. All I have done is propose
some small amount of cross-training as a prelude to merger & also help
manpower problems.

Finally it is fine for engineers to have career goals but don't forget the 
business aspects. Quote from the March edition of MMGT MEMO " Technology has
advanced so rapidly that the demand is now for desktop systems with full
application & network support".
Richard.

    
    
97.5KERNEL::MOUNTFORDFri Jun 08 1990 12:5230
    This note was from Clive Brooker.
    ---------------------------------


Richard,

		Steady now, relax, take deep breaths and count to ten......
	there, feeling better? Good.

		Right, let's put all our personal aspirations and career goals 
	to one side and approach this issue on a logical basis.  This proposal 
	( whatever it is and where-ever it originated ) has major implications 
	upon the entire Systems group operation as well as upon the lives and 
	future careers of its' members.  As such, and in accordance with the 
	spirit of OE, it needs to be presented to a full Systems group meeting,
 	discussed in detail and an exchange of ideas and a consensus of opinion
	sought.  At this point any agreement achieved should have the support 
	of the people involved and implementation, with management approval,  
	becomes a harmonious group driven process.

		At this moment you do not have that support.

		So, if you have a personal proposal which you feel will 
	increase the level of service we supply to our Customers please feel 
	free to seek the opinions of your peers in preparing your case, but 
	don't assume tacit agreement from those of us who decline to respond.

		I look forward in eager anticipation to your presentation.
		
97.6KERNEL::MOUNTFORDFri Jun 08 1990 12:52918








                       DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION











                         FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR 
                  
                       CONNECTING RDC TO MICROVAXES
















                  UK CUSTOMER SUPPORT CENTRE BASINGSTOKE
                
                     DATE: JULY 1989

                     BY: Ken Robb
                         UK CSG
    

                         CONTENTS

1.0 Summary

2.0 Background

3.0 Objectives

3.1 Non Goals

4.0 Sytems and options

4.1 Software

5.0 Data collection

5.1 Local practices

5.2 Previous calls

5.3 Local survey

5.4 Feedback from Valbonne

5.5 Feedback from Atlanta

5.6 Work methods

6.0 Resourses

7.0 Tools

8.0 Customer feedback

9.0 Conclusions

10.0 Recommendations

10.1 Skills

10.2 Customer requirements

10.3 Future


1.0      SUMMARY



  This report looks at the implications of remote diagnosis on microvaxes
either via SET HOST  from a node already on RDC or connecting a modem and MDS01
directly to the microvax.



2.0     BACKGROUND

  Currently the UK CSC do not RD (Remotely Diagnose) microvaxes by connecting
to the system. All microvax calls are made to the CSC (Customer Support Centre
) and routed to the appropriate group ie devices, office, comms. The call is
then dealt with by the engineer speaking to the customer. A customer with
microvax systems may also have 11730, 11750, 11780 systems at approximately 1/3
to 1/2 processing power of the microvax. Both "large" systems and the more
powerful microvax can have the same disks on yet only the less powerful systems
have RDC. This has caused a number of customers to comment on the apparent
different level of service. It is also possibly not the most efficient method
for DEC to maintain microvax systems. Traditionally DEC has not remotely
diagnosed microvaxes because they were smaller less powerful than microvaxes
are today. Microvaxes also  had small disks where as todays microvaxes can have
the same disks as any system on RDC. It is assumed that the reader is already
aware of the way CSG use skills and resources to diagnose customers systems
that already have RDC connected. 



3.0    OBJECTIVES

  The objective of this investigation was to determine as far as possible 
the costs and benefits of diagnosing all problems microvax systems by 
connecting to the system via RDC. The possibilities are as follows.

	o Install MDS01 and modem directly to microvax system console and dial 
	  in directly

	o Set host to microvax after dialling into an existing Vax system that 
	  already has an MDS01 and modem.

  Investigate the skills required to benefit from connecting to a system 
and comparing with current skills used for phone diagnosing of problems.
  See if any benefit could be gained by using the software tools 
currently used on the systems connected to RDC.
  As this investigation is taking place at the same time as the SDD 
(symptom directed diagnosis) pilot is running some investigation was also done 
to find out what effect SDD would have on the decision.

3.1	NON GOALS

	There was no intention to carry out any pilot at this stage.
	
	No plans to measure manpower requirements.

	No plans to measure hardware requirements.



4.0	SYSTEMS AND OPTIONS

	o Microvax II          -10 users with RA60 RA81 Disks

	o Microvax 3300        \ 40 plus users with
	o Microvax 3400        / RF Disk 

	o Microvax 3500        \ 40 plus users with
	o Microvax 3600        / RA82 RA70 Disks TU81 Tape 

	o RA series disks
	o RD series disks
	o RF series disks
	o TK50 tape
	o Magtape
	o Comms options


4.1     SOFTWARE

	o Current versions of VMS


5.0     DATA COLLECTION

	Various methods of data collection were used. They are as follows.

	o Talking to engineers in each of the groups involved and getting their 
	  feedback. ( Within Viables)

	o Looking at problem statements and diagnosis on a months calls. 

	o Surveying engineers taking calls on microvax systems.

	o Talking to CSC engineers and getting call information from RDC in
	  Valbonne.

	o Talking to CSC engineers, managers and getting call information
	  from Atlanta USCSC.

	o Attending unit meeting where work method and call distribution was 
	  discussed.


5.1    LOCAL PRACTICES

  During discussions with individuals there was a feeling that value could
be added on system, comms, and disk calls .A common method of diagnosing a
problem is to have the customer describe symptoms/errorlog entries under
direction of the CSG engineer. This is both very time consuming and prone to
error. On system calls for machine checks it would be beneficial to use machine 
check analysers. Bugcheck calls could be dealt with by the bugcheck desk down 
line loading patches where the problem was found to be a known problem fixed by 
a patch.
  On RA series disk calls it is currently not possible to use the very
valuable tools such as DSAERR and FSTERR. These tools can allow the CSG
specialist engineer to fully diagnose disk problems saving time and parts on
site.
  With network problems there is real benefit in connecting to a system
and using the tools available within NCP directly to solve problems. This can
very often save a site visit.
  It was felt that no or little value could be added on tape calls, the
majority of which are TK50 stuck in drive problems. 


5.2    PREVIOUS CALLS

  To find the number of calls that I believed could benefit from RDC
being connected to the system I took a previous months microvax calls from
CHAMP PC and attempted to split them into the following groups. 

	o Fully diagnosed. No value would have been added by connecting.

	o Value could have been added with RDC.

	o Console required. MDS01 and modem would have been necessary for 
	  connection.

The calls were further split into call type as follows.



                       M3000 family
                       ------------

               Fully               Value could                 Console
               Diagnosed           be added                    required
____________________________________________________________________________
Disk             14                   15                           1

Tape             23                    0                           0

Comms            15                    0                           0

CPU               6                   11                           7

Software          2                    1                           0

Bugcheck          0                    5                           0

Terminal          9                    0                           0

Line printer     15                    0                           0

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL            84 (73%)             32  (27%)                    8 (6%)
____________________________________________________________________________





                       Microvax II, 2000
                       -----------------

               Fully               Value could                 Console
               Diagnosed           be added                    required
____________________________________________________________________________
Disk             10                   21                           1

Tape             75                    0                           0

Comms            31                    7                           0

CPU               11                  22                          17

Software          0                    2                           0

Bugcheck          0                    0                           0

Terminal          31                   0                           0

Line printer      29                   0                           0

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL            187 (78%)              59  (22%)                   17 (7%)
____________________________________________________________________________



5.3    LOCAL SURVEY

  To confirm the results obtained so far I carried out a survey by asking 
engineers in each group to fill in details of each call as they did the call. 
In addition to the previous questions I asked for the additional time required 
to diagnose the call had RDC been connected. See appendix A for survey form.

 
                       All Microvax
                       ------------

               Fully             Value could    Additional     Console
               Diagnosed         be added       minutes/call   required
____________________________________________________________________________

Comms             14                  13            9.6            0

Office            5                   12           10.6            6

Devices           13                  18            9.1            5

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL             32 (42%)            43  (58%)                   11 (%)
____________________________________________________________________________

  The percentage of calls where value could be added by was estimated by the 
engineers doing the calls to be 58%. This was very higher than my first pass 
estimate which was made by looking at trouble statements and recommendations 
from closed calls.



5.4     FEEDBACK FROM VALBONNE

  To establish how effective RDC on microvaxes was in practice I spoke to the
RDC engineers in Valbonne where they are currently connecting to microvaxes.
The feeling was that RDC was very effective but no evaluation was done before
starting and no measurement to check its effectiveness. I got the following
feedback from RDC in Valbonne. 

1.Of the systems on your database what percentage have an MDS01 and what
percentage do you set host to? 

	100% of the UVAX2 have MDS01

2.What type of problem are you remotely diagnosing on microvaxes?

	The kinds of calls are  : 1] Disks errors
				  2] Bugchecks Analysis
				  3] Vms problems
				  4] No boot

3.How many calls per month do you have on  microvaxes?

*******************************   DECEMBER 1988  ******************************	
CPU        CM   CA   TA   RD   VE  AUS  RNV   EM   PM   CR  RND   DE  RNT Total 


MVAX2       3    0    5    0    0    5    4    0    0    0    0    1    2    20
M3000       3    0    3    3    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0     9

Totals      6    0    8    3    0    5    4    0    0    0    0    1    2    29
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CPU       CM   CA   TA   VE  RNT  AUS   EM   CR   RD  RND   DE   PM  RNV Total 

MVAX2      2    2    6    2    7    2    0    0    0    4    0    0    1    26
M3000      2    3    4    2    0    0    0    0    6    0    0    0    0    17

Totals     4    5   10    4    7    2    0    0    6    4    0    0    1    43  
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4.How many of those calls do you connect to the system?

	It depends of the problem.

5.How many of the microvaxes are 3000 series?

	We have 241 Microvaxes II (now) and 176 Microvaxes 3000

6.Did you do any evaluation work before taking microvaxes onto RDC
or are they just treated the same as any other system when deciding
if a system should go onto RDC?

	No. 
For us there is no difference between a 88xx and a Microvax.
(From RD connection point of view).


7.What are the advantages and disadvantages you have found?

	The disadvantage is that every Uvax MUST have an MDS01 and a MODEM
	(Except may be in LAVC where they can shared the same modem but
	they need to have their own MDS01 , if not customer would have to
	manipulate to many things for a RD connection.)

	The advantage is that you will have calls on new product (Uvaxes,LAVC).
	Second point is,if a customer calls us for a Uvax and if we have the 
        system in our database we can validate the call (even if we do not 
	connect) ,and, deliver to him the best service we can.
	If the system is unknown,you cannot rely on the 'guy' you have on phone.
	
	Anyway for us (RDCs), due to the fact that you will never see the system
	where you will connect , there is no different if it is a 8800 or a UVAX
	(Except may be in the console command).




5.5      FEEDBACK FROM ATLANTA



  I have spoken to a number of the RDC engineers and  RDC, USCSC managers on
effectiveness of RDC and how SDD was affecting the decision to have RDC on
microvaxes. The RDC manager believed that an evaluation had been carried out
before connecting RDC to microvaxes however I was never able to find anyone who
would admit to having done it.The feeling again was that RDC was very
effective. A pilot run lasting 8 months was carried out where the outcome of
which was a decision to go all out for connecting RD to microvaxes. I got
comments like "We can't afford not to have RDC" and "With RDC and SDD we have a
winning combination that the competition find hard to beat". RDC is also used
to down line load patches where analysing a bugcheck has identified a problem
as being fixed by a patch. 
  In an effort to get hard facts I asked for and got the following report.



Author:	William R. Thompson@alf       
	Business Planning Group 
Date:	13-Jul-1989
Posted-date: 13-Jul-1989

This report is to give assistance in determining whether RD should be a viable 
support tool for MicroVAXs in Europe.  Some data has been interpolated to give 
an overall average to assist in giving some business sanity to the reporting.

The first part of the report will respond to the questions stated in one of your
earlier memos, the second part will be some actual RD call volume information.


1.  Questions concerning RD support on MicroVAXs:

    o  Of the systems on your RDC database what percentage have an MDS01 and 
       what percentage do you set host to?

       Approximately 50% have MDS01s, 50% have set host activity.

    o  What percentage of the MicroVAXs on your database are 3000 series?

       60% of the MicroVAXs on the database, and registered are 3000 series.  
       Other RDable systems include the MVAX2000.  Most of the 3000 series are, 
       however, MicroVAX/VAXserver 3500/3600/3602 due to no availability for 
       VAXsimPLUS yet to fully detect errors on DSSI technology-based MicroVAXs.

    o  What are the monthly number of calls in each of the systems types?  e.g. 
       MicroVAX 2, 3500, 3600?

       Total calls are exceeding 1000 per quarter now on MicroVAXs;  MicroVAX 
       3300/3400 is still so new that only IVPs (Initial Verification Process) 
       are being performed on these- There is no real breakdown of particulars 
       though.

    o  What is the average time on each call where you connect via RDC?

       It depends upon which kind of RD call-that is, whether the call is only a
       simple Initial Verification Process (IVP), or if a crash dump has to be 
       performed, or if there is an extensive error log that must be run.

       Usually an IVP is approximately 20 minutes, error logs and crash dumps 
       are anywhere from 50 minutes to 3 possibly even 4 hours.


    o  What is the average time on each call where you do not have RDC?

       30 minutes average-although there is NO IVP without MDS01.

    o  Of the systems on RDC, what percentage do you connect to for a customer 
       call?

       Connection is performed for 99% of the customers with systems on RDC.  
       The other 1% there is no connection due to a number of reasons including 
       system completely down, problems with the MDS01 box itself, or the MDS01 
       has been installed, but not the software VAXsimPLUS and SPEAR.

    o  Where the system is on the RDC database- What percentage of calls can you 
       close with "no engineer required"?

       60% on the average of calls are closed with "no engineer required".

    o  Where the system is not on the RDC database-what percentage of calls can 
       you close with "no engineer required"?

       Normally these customers would not call into the Customer Support Centre 
       for RD support-but they may possibly register their system, have RDable 
       hardware and software installed, then call for RD sessions like as in the
       question above.

    o  Where the system is on the database- What percentage of calls can you 
       identify the failing FRU?

       90% on the average failing FRU's have been called out correctly with 
       utilisation of RD.

    o  Where the system is not on the RDC database- What percentage of calls can 
       you identify the failing FRU(same systems as in the question above)?

       This data is not readily available since these calls would not go to RD 
       for a dial-in session.  Normally, with customers not having systems that 
       are RDable, CSC engineers and specialists do their best to call out the 
       correct failing FRU.  However, the CSC engineers and specialists usually 
       do not receive any feedback from the field as to the accurateness of the 
       FRU callout.

    o  What is the breakdown of call type e.g. disk, communications, tape, 
       systems, etc.?

       10% on the average are systems, 20% are tapes and tape drives, 20% are 
       disks, and 18% are memory.  The balance are usually non-hardware related.


2.  Actual Call Volume Data


    Actual call volume data represented is for one quarter:


    SYSTEM		  NEW	 TOTAL	     PROBS/  TOTAL	     PCT
                          PROBS	 WORK UNITS  REG     TIME(MINUTES)   (MINUTES)

    MicroVAX 2(630Q)	   228	    307	      1.3      9,593	       31.25

    MVAX 3500/3600(650Q)   378	    456	      1.2     10,979	       24.08

    MVAX 3300/3400(640Q)    12	     14	      1.2        430	       30.71


Description of the terms:


o  IVP (Initial Verification Process) - This is a merely a 'dial-into' the 
   customer's system via remote diagnosis tools (VAXsimPLUS and remote console 
   MDS01) to verify installation of system and remote diagnosis tools and that 
   all is working.

o  New Problems - A new problem is generated per each new unique problem.

o  Total Work Units - The total number of calls per each unique problem.

o  PCT (Problem Cycle Time) - The time (in minutes) per each call.




5.6     WORK METHODS 


  By speaking to the engineers in the Office Products Group and attending
a unit meeting I discovered that most have a very wide range of skills but do
not go into problems in any depth. No attempt is made to analyse machine checks
or bugchecks. For RD disk calls a typical diagnosis would be to isolate the 
problem to a drive. This is in contrast to the rest of CSG where the skill 
range of each engineers skill is narrower but goes into more depth.

  On the following page is a list of products that a member of the office group
may be expected to work on. While not every member of the group works on all
products the spread of skills usually involves tapes, disks, systems hardware
and bugchecks, plus various QBUS options. 


                Products handled by Office Products Group
________________________________________________________________________________


MVAX I
MVAX II
MVAX III
MVAX 2000
MVAX 3400
MVAX 3300
MVAX 3600/3602
MIRA MVAX II


VR260                VS II               PMAX                VSV21
VR290                VS II-GPX           PVAX                VSV11
VR262                VS I                LYNX
VR100                VS 2000             FIREFOX             XWEOX XPS-710
VR292                VS 100
VR160                VS 3200             CALMA
VR150                VS 3500


RZ22/23/55
RX01/02
RF30/70
RX33/50
RD
RC25
RV
RA70


TK25
TK50/70
CIPHER CT540


Barclays MK I, II, III, IV, V
Barclays GPW


MICRO 11/23                          1103
      11/73                          1123
      11/83                          1123+
      11/53                     
MIRA  11/73                          MNC11
                                     VT103
                                     HARTLEY 103
 


TPL


INDUSTRIAL PRODUCTS
CSS PRODUCTS
NON DEC 


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6.0  RESOURCES

Hardware.

  Currently RDC is run from an 11780 node FIXER in the KERNEL cluster. The call 
logging / connection software is RSDS. With the current load on the system the 
response is not fast. 

Manpower.

 Additional diagnosis within CSG would require additional manpower.
 This would require futher checks after a pilot run.


7.0  TOOLS

   A large number of tools are available for use by RDC engineers which are 
either not available for use by field engineers or the field engineers do not 
get the practice in using the tools to obtain full benefit from them.

  The main tool used by microvax field engineers is MDM ( Micro Diagnostic 
Monitor ). This requires the system to be shut down and booting a stand alone 
diagnostic pack which can take from a few minutes up to 60 minutes just to boot 
depending on whether menu mode or cmd mode is used. If the problem is 
an intermittent one then the chances of finding the cause with diagnostics is 
very slim. Only the support / senior microvax field engineers understand how to 
run and use errorlogs yet this is where the information required to identify 
the failure is likely to be.


                 DIAGNOSIS TOOLS USED AT VIABLES
                 -------------------------------

	A. Tools We Use that could be of use on microvaxes
	--------------------------------------------------

	1. Local Tools
	--------------


	FUBAR                 Convert 1178X FUBAR to SBI address

	MCHECK_ANALYSER       Routine to analyse machine checks

	SEL                   Errorlog Analyser

	DUE                   Dumps Errors in Crash Dump

	POINTER               Points to Source of Desired Information

	BUGS                  Exposes known problems in System Crashes

	STAKS                 Retrieves Stacks from all RSDS Crashes

	REGS                  Retrieves Registers from all RSDS Crashes

	HEXTIME               Converts system time to ascii

	ZAP                   Errorlog Threshold Detector

	SCRIPTS               Dump/PM/EM/CM scripts. Online Scripts

	DT                    Viables Diagnosis Toolbox

	2. Support Tools
	----------------

	RSUM                  Automatic RHM output of SPEAR/ERF/ZAP

	FAST_SNAP             Fast Snapshot Analyser

	SEDSWSPARTS           SEDSWS Part Number Finder


	3. Digital Tools
	----------------

	SDA                   System Dump Analyser

	FSTERR                Tape/Disk Errorlog analyser

	DSAERR                Disk Errorlog analyser

	BLOCK                 Allows manual convertion of Disk LBN's

	SPEAR                 AI Errorlog Interpreter

	CDX                   Crash dump diagnostician

	CANASTA               Crash Analysis and Trouble Shooting Assistant

	VAXSIM                VAX Monitor

	STARS                 Information Database

	NOTES                 Sources of Information

	ERF                   Error Formatter for Errorlog

	NETSYS                Netsys Programs

	VAXPAX                Valbonne Database






8.0  CUSTOMER FEEDBACK

   From time to time we hear comments from customers on the apparent different 
level of service between microvax and midrange systems.
   The last customer presentation I did I was asked why we did not RDC 
microvaxes and other customers find ways around the problem. While on the 
bugcheck desk I have had a customer log a call on an 11750 only to be told "the 
bugcheck is from a microvax but you don't connect to them do you". Also calls 
come from exceptions or from local offices. In each of the bugchecks I have 
dealt with in this way the problem has been fixed with patches or a software 
call has been opened. No engineer was required to visit site.

  



9.0  CONCLUSIONS

  If RDC is connected to a microvax we have the tools and capability within CSG
to give a first class diagnosis at considerable saving to the field. 
 There have been enough comments from customers to indicate that they want RDC 
on their systems and that they would see it as a real improvement in service. 
   From the results obtained in Atlanta and from local surveys there is enough
evidence to indicate that benefits could be gained by dialling into microvaxes
from RDC however there are various options that would give different levels of
cost and benefit.

  Analysing a bugcheck on a microvax is identical to analysing a bugcheck on any
other Vax and the patch required is the same ( for V5 VMS and greater ). 
Currently on an RDC system a patch can be down line loaded where as on a 
microvax system a hardware engineer is likely to be sent to site where the 
processor module will probably be replaced. 

  Two of the most important figures from Atlanta are 90% hit rate on fru's and 
60% no engineer required.

  From experience in Atlanta RDC can be used on approximately 50% of systems 
without any additional hardware being installed on site. This would include 
sites where there is already a modem and an MDS01 connected to an existing node 
in a network or where the microvax is a part of a mixed cluster with the boot 
node already on RDC. 
 
  The larger the systems the greater benefit from connecting to RDC therefore 
3500/3600 systems would benefit more than microvax II systems.

OPTIONS

1.     Do not connect RDC to any microvaxes. ( Current situation ) 
  
2.     Connect all microvax II and 3300/3400, 3500/3600 to RDC supplying a modem
       and MDS01 where necessary. ( As in Atlanta ) 
	
3.     Connect largest systems 3500/3600 ( where most benefit can be gained )
       where there is already an RDC connection into the site ( Lowest cost )

9.1 SKILLS

   To obtain maximum benefit from connecting microvaxes to RDC a reassessment 
should be made in the way skills are currently used. It is not possible for one 
engineer to have in depth knowledge in cpus, tapes, disks, bugchecks etc. 


9.2 RESOURCES

  As microvaxes go on SDD ( Symptom Directed Diagnosis ) they are being added 
to the RSDS database. This however has very little overhead. If a large number 
of microvaxes were to suddenly go onto RDC without additional/more powerful 
hardware there would be an overall impact on the whole of CSG in response time.
  


10.0 RECOMMENDATIONS

  We have enough evidence from our own operation and from Atlanta to start
RDC on microvax 3500/3600 systems ( option 3 ) where the system has a decnet
connection to a system already on RDC. A number of these systems will already
be added to the RDC database as they are added to SDD. 
  There is a separate project measure the quality of diagnosis and this should 
be used to measure the quality of RDC on any microvax systems that go onto RDC.

10.1 SKILLS

  To obtain most benefit from RDC on microvaxes calls should be dealt with by 
specialists.
Currently comms calls are dealt with by the comms group. I suggest this be 
extended to other options to include the following.

All disk calls go to the disk group. This should include RA, RF, and RD disks

All tape calls should go to the tape group.

All bugcheck calls should go to the the bugcheck desk. 

This would allow engineers from the office group to increase their skills in a 
chosen area by working on the bugcheck desk, devices group or remaining where 
they are. Without having to work on such a wide range of products individuals 
have the opportunity to increase their knowledge in a chosen area.
A small amount of cross training may be necessary within the devices group to 
handle disks and tapes that are currently handled by the office group.

10.2   CUSTOMER REQUIREMENTS

  We should require the customer to have a FIELD account and to be running the 
error logger as well as having a dumpfile.
  The customer should also have a problem free methold of connecting and 
setting host to a system (No requirement on Digital to contact a seperate 
system manager to dial into the host system). 

10.3  FUTURE

  The calls should be monitored for a period of 6 to 8 months and compared 
with a similar number of systems not on RDC. A decision could then be made 
about extending RDC to smaller systems and systems requiring a modem and MDS01. 
  



Appendix A

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97.7KERNEL::MOUNTFORDFri Jun 08 1990 12:5414



    Moderator's comments: These few previous notes have been extracted
    by the authors from a members only conference & inserted in here.
    I have moved them around purely to synchronize them chronologically.
    Note .5 was a reply from Clive Brooker but no original note to compare
    with, this has now been rectified.
    
    MOD.
    
    
     Mod.
97.8Decisions made on behalf of allKERNEL::ROBBSat Jun 09 1990 07:2611
    The only thing shown here is that there are differing opinions!
    
    The only way to resolve them must be to get everyone involved together
    to put their point of view, of which there are many. 
    I look foward to seeing Richards presentation in a unit meeting
    where we can all vioce our opinion. I know from experience people
    can feel quite strongly about somthing without putting those feelings
    down in a notes conference.
    
    Ken.