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Conference azur::mcc

Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

3713.0. "DNS DANGLINGLINK and MCC entity already exists - messages" by CUJO::HILL (Dan Hill-Net.Mgt.-Customer Resident) Thu Sep 10 1992 05:14

    DNS problems similar to those mentioned in 1528, 1661, and 1676 have
    occurred while running DECmcc V1.2.0 and DNS V1.1, all on VMS systems.
    
    When registering an SNMP node, I got the DNS DANGLINGLINK message
    followed by the MCC message "unable to register node".
    
    Other problems surrounding missing objects, but soft-links still being
    present in the namespace have resulted in "unable to register entity,
    entity already exists" messages, yet there is nothing to deregister.
    
    I have had to manually use DNS$CONTROL to find the links and delete
    them.
    
    I am having trouble with 5 SNMP nodes.  Deleting the
    .MCC_SNMP_Backtranslation.SNMPxx link will delete the associated
    hex value above it in the same DNS directory, but I'm not quite sure on
    some of these.
    
    How is the hex value in this directory determined?  Which object or
    link attribute contains a target pointer to this value?
    
    There is still DEFINITELY a problem with DNS and its use with DECmcc
    that the patches in 1267 did not fix.
    
    -Dan
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3713.1A bad DNS setup?TRM::KWAKThu Sep 10 1992 15:2857
    
    RE: .0
    
    
>    DNS problems similar to those mentioned in 1528, 1661, and 1676 have
>    occurred while running DECmcc V1.2.0 and DNS V1.1, all on VMS systems.
    
     Do you see the same MCC DNS error messages?
     How is DNS name space set up (Master and Read-only Replicas)?
    
>    When registering an SNMP node, I got the DNS DANGLINGLINK message
>    followed by the MCC message "unable to register node".
>    
>    Other problems surrounding missing objects, but soft-links still being
>    present in the namespace have resulted in "unable to register entity,
>    entity already exists" messages, yet there is nothing to deregister.
>    
>    I have had to manually use DNS$CONTROL to find the links and delete
>    them.
    
     Are you definitely using DECmcc V1.2?
     Can you issue the following command in FCL:
       MCC> show mcc 0 all char
    
     What is you SNMP registration command?
    
     In DECmcc V1.2, you do not have to remove softlink. 
     If DECmcc registration is unsuccessful, you can remove the DNS object 
     and leave the softlinks. The dangling softlinks will be re-used when
     the same alternate identifiers are used (IP name and IP address for
     SNMP).
    
    
>    I am having trouble with 5 SNMP nodes.  Deleting the
>    .MCC_SNMP_Backtranslation.SNMPxx link will delete the associated
>    hex value above it in the same DNS directory, but I'm not quite sure on
>    some of these.
    
     It seems that DNS is mis-behaving. Maybe, you can ask this question
     in NOTED::DNS conference.
    
>    How is the hex value in this directory determined?  Which object or
>    link attribute contains a target pointer to this value?
    
     EX. An IP address of 16.20.144.140 has 32 bit hex value of 1014908c.
         (16 = 0x10, 20 = 0x14, 144 = 0x90, 140 = 0x8c)
         The corresponding IP address backtranslation would be:
    	     .MCC_SNMP_Backtranslation.1014908C
    
>    There is still DEFINITELY a problem with DNS and its use with DECmcc
>    that the patches in 1267 did not fix.
    
     ????
     This is the first report of such DNS problem with DECmcc V1.2.
     We have to see if other people are having the same problem.
    
     William
3713.2More info on DNS V1.1 / DECmcc V1.2 registration problemCUJO::HILLDan Hill-Net.Mgt.-Customer ResidentTue Sep 15 1992 15:4087
    William,
    
    The customer's namespace consists of two clearinghouses, one on each
    of two nameserver nodes.  All master replica directories are on one
    node, with read-only replica directories on the other node.
    
    DNS Version 1.1, Protocol Version 1.0
    VMS V5.4-3 on both nameserver nodes and DECmcc management nodes.
    
    MCC> SHOW MCC 0 ALL CHAR
        	   Component Version = V1.2.0
            Component Identification = "DECmcc"
    Default Namespace Root Directory = ""
    
    MCC> SHOW MCC 0 TCPIP_AM ALL CHAR
    		   Component Version = V1.2.0
    	    Component Identification = "DECmcc TCP/IP SNMP AM"
    		         UDP Timeout = 5
    		         UDP Retries = 2
    	                ICMP Timeout = 5
    
    Other AMs:	DECmcc Terminal Server AM  V1.0.0
    		DECmcc DECnet DNA4 AM      V1.2.0
    		DECmcc DECnet DNA5 AM	   V1.2.0
    		DECmcc Bridge AM	   V1.2.1
    		DECmcc FDDI AM		   V1.2.0
    		DECmcc Concentrator AM	   V1.2.0
    
    =====================================================================
    Registration commands and error messages:
    
    
    MCC> DIR SNMP .ip.xyplex1     (also tried using SYNONYM xyplex1)
         The entity SNMP .ip.xyplex1 is not registered
                           Not Registered Entity = SNMP .ip.xyplex1
    
    
    MCC> REGISTER SNMP .ip.xyplex1 SYNONYM xyplex1
         SNMP MY_NS:.ip.xyplex1
         The requested operation cannot be completed
                       MCC Routine Error = %DNS-E-ENTRYEXISTS, Creation not
                                           possible, entry already exists
    
    *****> Using DNS$CONTROL:
            DNS> show obj .ip.xyplex1      ! not found
            DNS> show link .mcc_snmp_backtranslation.xyplex1  !not found
            DNS> show link .mcc_snmp_backtranslation.81010101 !not found
      I also looked for the object xyplex1 in EVERY directory in the
    namespace.  No luck.
    
    
    Then I tried this:
    
    MCC> REGISTER SNMP xyplex1 synonym xyplex1
         .
         .
         .
         Registration successful.
    
    DNS showed the object xyplex1 in the root directory and both softlinks
    were present in the backtranslation directory.
    
    MCC> DEREGISTER SNMP xyplex1
         .
         .
         .
         Deregistration Successful
    
    MCC> REGISTER SNMP .ip.xyplex1 SYNONYM xyplex1
         .
         .
         .
         entry already exists.
    
    
    
    I have this same problem with 3 other ip nodes that I have found so
    far.  I do not have this problem with other node types.
    
    -----------------------------------
    Regarding the DANGLINGLINK problem,  I tried to reproduce the problem
    by re-registering the ip node in question (a Chipcom hub).  This time,
    the registration completed (though partially, since the node was down).
    
    
    Any ideas?
    -Dan
3713.3Try more DNS$Control commandsTRM::KWAKTue Sep 15 1992 18:1015
    
    RE:. 2
    
    Try some DNS commands:
      DNS> show char dir .ip
    
      DNS>! Check if a DNS entry name ".ip.xyplex1" is used.
      DNS> show object .ip.xyplex1
      DNS> show link .ip.xyplex1
      DNS> show dir  .ip.xyplex1
    
    (%DNS-E-ENTREXISTS means a DNS entry (object, directory, or softlink) 
      already exists)
    
    William                                                 
3713.4More on DNS and registration problemCUJO::HILLDan Hill-Net.Mgt.-Customer ResidentWed Sep 16 1992 14:5214
    William,
    
    	As mentioned in .2, I issued the appropriate DNS commands to
    determine whether or not the links and object exist.  They do not.  
    The links would be present in the .mcc_snmmp_backtranslation directory,
    not the .ip directory, but I issued the commands mentioned in .3
    anyway.  Entities do not exist.
    
    	Last night, I turned off the clearinghouses one at a time and
    issued the DNS commands mentioned in .3 (show link & show object) just
    to be sure that one clearinghouse had the object/link and the other
    didn't.  Neither clearinghouse contains the entities.
    
    -Dan
3713.5Solution: %DNS-E-ENTITYEXISTS, entity already existsCUJO::HILLDan Hill-Net.Mgt.-Customer ResidentMon Sep 28 1992 05:2816