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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

3626.0. "Exporter and Ultrix/SQL" by ISIDRO::MAMORENO () Wed Aug 26 1992 06:42

    Is there a plan for EXPORTER FM after the anouncement of ULTRIX/SQL
    will be out of Ultrix 4.3 ?
    
    Will this FM support any SQL rdbms ?
    
    -Miguel Angel
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3626.2Summary of corporate SQL strategyTOOK::MINTZErik Mintz, dtn 226-5033Fri Aug 28 1992 17:2757
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Note 479.5                   Life after ULTRIX/SQL ?                      5 of 6
MRKTNG::SILVERBERG "Mark Silverberg DTN 264-2269 TT" 50 lines  28-AUG-1992 09:32
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ULTRIX/SQL Retirement



Contacts:  Kathy Appellof, DTN 548-8729, ZSO
           Mark Silverberg, DTN 264-2269, TTB


Highlights:

           o  ULTRIX/SQL last order date:    September 4, 1992
           o  ULTRIX/SQL last ship date:     September 30, 1992
           o  ULTRIX/SQL Price File removal: September 4, 1992
           o  Cost-effective migration program available


Digital is announcing the retirement of ULTRIX/SQL effective with the release
of the ULTRIX V4.3 Operating System. Therefore, the ULTRIX/SQL license will
not be packaged with the ULTRIX V4.3 product, nor any subsequent versions.
Maintenance and support for ULTRIX/SQL will be provided until December 31,
1993.  


Product Description:

ULTRIX/SQL is a full-featured RDBMS engine that is licensed at "no-charge"
with the ULTRIX Operating System on many VAX systems, and all RISC-based
DECstations and DECsystems.  The Ingres V6.3 technology forms the basis for
the ULTRIX/SQL V2 product.


Migration Strategy:

Digital has negotiated a cost-effective migration program with the Ingres
Corp. that allows current ULTRIX customers to purchase a low-cost migration
kit for the native INGRES database.  This migration program also includes a 
cost-effective migration for the INGRES Application Development Tools.
ULTRIX/SQL customers who desire information on how to purchase the Ingres 
migration kit as a replacement for ULTRIX/SQL can acquire sales and product
information by telephoning Ingres Corp. at 1-800-4INGRES.  


Resources:

Questions regarding the retirement of ULTRIX/SQL can be forwared to:

Kathy Appellof, ULTRIX/SQL Product Manager, at DTN 548-8729, ZSO
Mark Silverberg, ULTRIX/SQL Marketing Manager, at DTN 264-2269, TTB

3626.3TOOK::MINTZErik Mintz, dtn 226-5033Fri Aug 28 1992 17:424
The preceding reply outlines the corporate strategy for SQL/Ingres.

We have not yet selected a longer term solution from the list
of options for the DECmcc exporter.
3626.4ULTRIX/SQL Transition/Migration for DECmccDELNI::FERREIRAThu Nov 12 1992 12:37286
RE: Ultrix/SQL will no longer ship with Ultrix, effective with Ultrix V4.3

Users of the DECmcc Historian/Exporter functions (ONLY) on ULTRIX (ONLY) 
require ULTRIX/SQL.  DECmcc will be adding the Ultrix/SQL database to it's 
SSB shipping product for an interim period.  The Specific Mcc kits 
affected are the:


SPD#	Model No. 	Short Descriptions 	MLP 	Price           Adder
	(2-5-2)       					Curve


			DECmcc Basic (BMS)	$12.5K        C		25%
32.48.x	QL-GU5A8-AA ult	Management System
	-----------
	QA-GU5AA-H5 ult	H-KIT   		$655


		 	DECmcc Historical 	$2.5K         A         35%
37.20.x	QL-MDPA8-AA ult	Data Package
	-----------
	QA-MDPAA-H5	H-KIT   		$390


Ultimately, (currently planned for V.next in Fall '93) the product will 
incorporate generic SQL interfaces so that any SQL database could be used 
with it.  However, given the volume of work being requested for V.next, we 
may implement this is several steps, with V.next supporting the use of 
Oracle only, for example, in addition to the ULTRIX/SQL product.

For the V1.3 version of the above part numbers, the ULTRIX/SQL product
will be added to the NPF at the SSB, so that the V1.3 H-kits includes 
the ULTRIX/SQL H-kits.  There is no license or PAK for ULTRIX/SQL,
and the product installs without them.  Mcc can include ULTRIX/SQL as Mcc
is referenced in the Amendment to the agreement with Ingress, giving 
Mcc the rights to ship it free of charge to our customers thru 
December 1993.  Thus, no additional part numbers or fees must be 
paid by Mcc customers in the V1.3 timeframe.   The UPI for ULTRIX/SQL 
is YHT, and the specific H-kit numbers to be included into our NPF are:

	QAYHTABH5 - ULTRIX SQL U/R TK50
	QAYHTABHM - ULTRIX SQL U/R 16MT9

The SPD, however, would be modified under the Growth Considerations 
section, with the text below:

"NOTE:  ULTRIX/SQL V2.0 HAS ENTERED PRODUCT PHASEDOWN.  SUPPORT FOR ULTRIX/SQL
	WILL BE DISCONTINUED AFTER DECEMBER 31, 1993."


Subsequently, in the V.next timeframe, an additional purchase of a database
would be necessary by Mcc customers wishing to use the Historian and 
Exporter functions of Mcc.  At this time, information would be added to the 
SPD directing customers to use either:  . Ingres database from Ingres
					. Ingres database under Corp Reseller
						program, specific to POLYCENTER
					. Any other databases we've tested 
					  with Mcc (minimum Oracle)

Is you have any further questions, let me know,

Gail

From:	DECWET::APPELLOF "It's getting better all the time  03-Nov-1992 1039"  3-NOV-1992 13:42:28.78
To:	@[.DISTLISTS]SQL_LP.DIS
CC:	APPELLOF
Subj:	Minutes - October 22 meeting - ULTRIX/SQL Layered Product issues

ULTRIX/SQL RETIREMENT AND DEPENDENT LAYERED PRODUCTS MEETING

DATE HELD:  10/22/92

ATTENDEES:  Bill Parm		Gail Ferreira
	    John Ewalt		Brad Kennedy
	    Steve LeBlanc	Mike Smith
	    Wayne Mackey	Joel Harding
	    Leslie Kater	Krishna Krishnaswamy

	    Jeanne Davis, ULTRIX Product Manager
	    Kathy Appellof, ULTRIX/SQL Product Manager
	    John Penney, ULTRIX/SQL Engineering Manager
	    Gary Gottschalk, DECwest Product Management Manager

TOPIC TO        Impact of ULTRIX/SQL retirement, licensing issues around
DISCUSS:	ULTRIX V4.2/V4.3.  Alternatives.


DISCUSSION:	Much of the discussion evolved around why ULTRIX/SQL has 
		entered phasedown and alternative approaches that the dependent
		layered product groups could follow.

		Kathy Appellof pointed out that DECwest had taken reasonable
		steps to identify all dependent layered product groups and
		meet with them over the past year.  Even then, there were two
		"unidentified" products which did not receive notices.  These
		two were the DECathena and Polycenter Census product groups.

		Groups present at this meeting had copies of the recent contract
		amendment signed with Ingres which detailed support obligations
		and the dependent layered product groups which had permission
		to continue shipping ULTRIX/SQL media and documentation with
		their product until product phasedown is complete in 12/93.
		DECathena was able to obtain special Ingres permission to be
		included; unfortunately, Ingres denied the Polycenter Census
		request.

		The Polycenter Census representative was highly concerned about
		the potential $2M revenue stream impact of not supporting
		ULTRIX/SQL.  They felt that it would significantly impact cost
		of ownership to their customer if forced to require full Ingres.

		John Penney provided an accurate explanation of the difference
		between ULTRIX/SQL and the Ingres database and asked that for
		purposes of this discussion the two not get confused.

		Gary Gottschalk highlighted the three options available:

		1.  ULTRIX V4.2 to be reactived to solve the operating system
			licensing issue.  This is not a valid or usable option	
			due to the contract amendment with Ingres.

		2.  Include ULTRIX/SQL part numbers in the dependent layered
		 	product bill-of-materials.  This is permissable only
			for those product groups who have explicit permission
			in the Ingres contract amendment.

		3.  Acquire the Ingres V6.4 database through a distribution
			agreement (VAR).


ACTION ITEMS:	1.  Kathy Appellof to publish meeting minutes, with joint review
			and input from Jeanne Davis.

		2.  Kathy Appellof to include the TPframe SPD in the meeting
			minutes as an example of describing product alterna-
			tives.

		3.  Kathy Appellof to include the dependent layered product
			notification note number 823.2 from the ULTRIX_SQL
			notesfile in the meeting minutes.

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            DIGITAL       INTEROFFICE MEMORANDUM


            To:      Distribution              Date: July 28, 1992
                                               From: Kathy Appellof, USSG Prod-
                                                     uct Management
                                               LOC:  ZSO
                                               PHONE: dtn 548-8729:


            Subject: ULTRIX/SQL Retirement - Dependent Layered Product Pro-
                     cess

            The ULTRIX/SQL product phasedown (retirement) announcement has
            been approved by PAC and is scheduled to occur with the announce-
            ment of ULTRIX V4.3 on or about August 17. Customers who have an
            ULTRIX support contract will be receiving notification (via di-
            rect mailing) of the beginning of ULTRIX/SQL phasedown. All UL-
            TRIX/SQL customers on support will be receiving details and pro-
            motional literature on a program whereby they can purchase the
            Ingres Intelligent Database for a 6 month period of time for ap-
            proximately 40-60% discount.

            The ULTRIX/SQL "no-charge" license included with the purchase of
            the ULTRIX Operating System will no longer be available start-
            ing with the ULTRIX V4.3 release. All outstanding orders for the
            media and documentation kit will be filled through September 30.
            Support for ULTRIX/SQL will be permanently discontinued as of De-
            cember 31, 1993.

            Because your product requires ULTRIX/SQL as a prerequisite, your
            customers will be affected.

            As of the last order date, which is currently estimated to be Au-
            gust 31, the part numbers for the ULTRIX/SQL media & documenta-
            tion kit (QA-YHT-A***) will be non-printing in the USLP. NOTE -
            these part numbers will not be moved to permanent maintenance
            until December 31, 1992, at which time you should have a contin-
            gency plan to provide this prerequisite software to your customers.
            One layered product group, for example, has chosen to package the
            ULTRIX/SQL functionality as part of their distribution kit. The
            ULTRIX/SQL engineering organization is willing to work with you
            to provide the required software if you choose to bundle with your
            kit. Until December 31, 1992, you will be able to provide your
            customers with the necessary prerequisite software by using one
            of the following options:

            1. Specify the part number to order in your product's SPD. There
               are four part numbers which can be provided to you.

            2. Include the part number in your product's Bill-of-Materials.
               Again, these can be provided to you.

 




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            The phasedown notification letter will also be included in the
            ULTRIX/SQL media and documentation kit after the release of UL-
            TRIX V4.3. You will need to update the Software Prerequisites sec-
            tion of your SPD. I've included suggested wording which you may
            or may not choose to use.

            1. The ULTRIX/SQL license is no longer available with ULTRIX V4.3.
               Therefore, if you still have the dependency on this product,
               you probably want to use the following:

               o  ULTRIX Operating System V4.3

               o  Ingres Intelligent Database V6.03 or above  

	       Digital legal advises that customers cannot legally install the 
	       ULTRIX/SQL software without the proper license, and since 
	       ULTRIX V4.3 does not include the ULTRIX/SQL license, then 
	       customers will be limited to Ingres, or to stay with ULTRIX 
	       V4.2.
	       
	       (NOTE: it is expected that many of your customers will be taking
               advantage of the upgrade program and will be migrating to
               Ingres)

            2. If you feel that your product will continue to have a depen-
               dency upon ULTRIX/SQL for a period of time, then you are lim-
               ited to using the following language:

               o  ULTRIX Operating System V4.2, V4.2a, etc. (do not include
                  the words "or above")

               o  ULTRIX/SQL V2.0  It is probably a wise idea in this case
                  to specify that this product is in retirement to prepare
                  your customers for the change.

            3. Optionally, you may want to include wording in the "Growth Con-
               siderations" section of the SPD mentioning the beginning of
               ULTRIX/SQL Phasedown. Legal has suggested that you may want
               to include positive wording about ULTRIX V4.3 representing the
               "next step in product development" and that customers are rec-
               ommended to migrate to the "highly improved Ingres".

            Finally, I'm sure that there will be questions. We'll try to an-
            swer them as best as possible. Please contact one of the follow-
            ing individuals to get your questions answered: 

		Mark Silverberg - ULTRIX/SQL Marketing (unix::mark) 
		Kathy Appellof - ULTRIX/SQL Product Manager (DECWET::APPELLOF) 
		John Penney - ULTRIX/SQL Engineering Manager (DECWET::PENNEY)

            DISTRIBUTION:

            Liz Sooho, DECtest Manager Product Manager
            Wayne Mackey, DECMCC MSU Product Manager
            Salley Anderson, FullSail Product Manager
            Kathy Appellof, TPframe Product Manager
            Mark Silverberg, ULTRIX/SQL and TPframe Marketing Manager
            John C. Penney, ULTRIX/SQL Engineering Manager

3626.5TKTVFS::NEMOTOback to the drawing board..Tue Mar 02 1993 09:292
Is there any update on this issue?   Thank you.
3626.6Ultrix/SQL included in V1.3 SSB-shipped Ultrix kitDELNI::FERREIRATue Mar 02 1993 15:1812
RE: Ultrix/SQL

Well, the Ultrix/SQL kit is included in DECmcc V1.3 which is now at the 
SSB.  Customers ordering either BMS (Network Manager 200) on Ultrix,
or the Historian Framework Add-on Product will receive Ultrix/SQL
in their kit.

As for the future, we are considering support for Oracle in a 
subsequent release of the Framework.  No specific plans or dates yet,
will let you know as they're formulated.

Gail
3626.7Ingres on ULTRIXVAXRIO::TROTTATue Jul 27 1993 22:285
I've heard that INGRES Corporation will soon not support Ingres on ULTRIX
anymore. Ingres' office here in Brazil couldn't get any information.
Has anybody heard about this?

Claudio