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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

3156.0. "Local /remote MIR, Ultrix vs. VMS Customer Can't decide" by MUTTON::LAMB (Peter Lamb - GSG Santa Clara) Tue Jun 09 1992 22:48

Hello,

I have a customer that is trying to figure out whether 
they will purchase a DECstation or a VAXstation for
DECmcc.  In the short term they have a requirement to get
some limited functionality up an running ASAP.  This will
almost certainly be on a VAX.  

Their question is given that they use the remote MIR (DNS) 
how much information would be lost moving from a VAXstation to
a DECstation?  I know that rules are relativly easily moved but 
I guess the real jist of my question is how much data is stored
locally when using a remote MIR and are there any provisions 
provided to convert it from VMS to Ultrix??  

Thank you and regards,

Peter Lamb
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3156.1Is it really that simple?MUTTON::LAMBPeter Lamb - GSG Santa ClaraTue Jun 09 1992 23:5719
Attempting to answer my own question... after reading the V1.2 installation 
guide and the discussion about using the DNS name space it appears that 
almost everything "important" is stored in DNS...

"If you sleected the DNS, the DNS stores the registered names you create
for DECmcc global entities.  You also supply the entities' network addresses.
The names are then available to all DECMcc users on the network.  The DNS
also stores other relevant information, including the names of child entities,
reference data, and a list of the domains that an entity is a member of."

By this I believe the only things not stored in the remote DNS would be things
like historical data, rules and the actual map files.

Of these three the rules and map files are easily moved to/from VMS & Ultrix
so I guess the only other concern is the historical information??

Thanks!

Peter
3156.2It's really that simple..SUBWAY::REILLYMike Reilly - New York Bank DistrictWed Jun 10 1992 02:4211
    Peter,
    	I am using DECmcc VMS 1.1 as a 'production' environment and am
    current evaluating 1.2.7 on VMS and Ultrix.  A common DNS server is
    used for all three environments.  When I register a new device on one
    platform the entity is registered in DNS and immediatly available on
    the other platforms. All that is required to keep the two platforms
    in synch is a batch procedure that copies the new map files around.
    
    I have had no problems with this arrangement so far.
    
    - Mike
3156.3How about changing DNS serversPJWL::LAMBPeter Lamb - GSG Santa Clara MAIL=MUTTON::LAMBWed Jun 10 1992 03:074
I asked this in the DNS file too - but how would one move from a VMS based
DNS server to a Ultrix one??  ie. how would you move the data?

Peter
3156.4How to move the DNS directories for DECmccCUJO::HILLDan Hill-Net.Mgt.-Customer ResidentThu Jun 11 1992 00:3175
    Hi, Peter,
    
    	To move the DNS directories containing all objects, links, etc.
    used by DECmcc is reasonably easy, assuming the install of DNS on the
    VMS nameserver goes well.  Here is the quick list:
    
    	1. Install DNS on a VMS node designated to be a nameserver, being
    	   sure you select the existing namespace you wish the server to 
    	   join.
    
    	2. Once you have verified that everything is working, issue the 
    	   REBUILD command from DNS$CONTROL.
           Example:
    	    DNSCP> REBUILD DIRECTORY . MASTER vms_ch READ_ONLY ultrix_ch
    
    	   You must issue the rebuild for EVERY directory beginning with
    	   the "." root directory and ending with the lowest level
    	   directory in the hierarchy.  For example:
    		.DNA4_BACKTRANSLATION.%X49.%X0001
    	   Be sure you do this in order, REBUILDing .DNA4_BACKTRANSLATION 
           before .DNA4_BACKTRANSLATION.%X49, and so on.
    
    	   One way to do this is to use DNS_OBJECT_WALK.EXE to create
    	   a hierarchical output of your namespace, capture it in a text
    	   file, then edit the text file to include the DNSCP commands to
    	   rebuild your directories.  If you need this utility, I can
    	   provide it.  The command syntax for V2 of DNSCP is supposedly
    	   good enough to provide the same thing as this utility, though
    	   I have not used it.
    
    	3. Be sure your directories are complete.  To do this,
    	   DNSCP> STOP CLEARINGHOUSE ultrix_ch  on the Ultrix node, then
    	   try DECmcc or use DNSCP commands on the VMS nameserver node or
    	   any DNS client, referencing your namespace.  Issue the 
    	   DNSCP> START CLEARINGHOUSE ultrix_ch  when you are satisfied.
    
    	4. Once you are sure your directories are complete, issue the
    	   following REBUILD commands (preferably via command procedure),
    	   this time NOT including the Ultrix clearinghouse:
    
    	   Example:
    	    DNSCP> REBUILD DIR . MASTER vms_ch
    
    	   Do this for all directories.
    
    	   REMEMBER:  The above command will remove all "." directory
    		      replicas from the namespace.  These replicas MUST
    		      be READ_ONLY, not MASTER.  If you have ANY master
    		      directories, you could very easily end up with a
    		      partitioned namespace in which you can potentially
    		      write to one clearinghouse master directory one 
    		      time, and another at a different time.  
    
    			(There is more to this, so send mail or give me
    			 a call if you are unsure.  The last thing you
    			 want to do is mess up your namespace and spend
    			 your weekend re-installing DNS on all nodes,
    			 which I have done.)
    
    	5. At this point, you can DNSCP> STOP CLEARINGHOUSE ultrix_ch
    	   on the Ultrix node again, then completely stop  DNS.  Delete
    	   the clearinghouse file on the Ultrix system and be sure that
    	   DNS does not come up on that node.  Your're done.
    
    
    By the way, I have done all of the above on VMS systems.
    
    CONCERN:  My understanding from discussions with Scott Bingham of CSC
    	      lead me to believe that you may encounter a "hang" problem
    	      on a DNS V1.* nameserver when bringing it into a namespace
    	      served by DNS V2 nameservers.  VMS nodes usually run V1.*
    	      while Ultix nameservers run V2.

    Regards,
    Dan