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Conference azur::mcc

Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

2750.0. "New MCC Conf needed" by MAYDAY::ANDRADE (The sentinel (.)(.)) Mon Apr 13 1992 15:01

    I have a sugestion for the moderators, that I think everyone 
    will agree with.
    
    	********   Please create a new MCC conference   **********
    	(Time it with the release of v1.2, to avoid v1.2 FT notes)
    
    The current one, due to its size and activity has become unreadable.
    Even a DIR/UNSEEN takes forever.
    
    It may also be a good idea to separate, toolkit and normal
    activities into 2 different conferences.
    
    Does anyone else agree with this ? ................................
    
    Gil
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2750.1SLINK::CHILDSEd ChildsMon Apr 13 1992 16:0631
| The current one, due to its size and activity has become unreadable.
| Even a DIR/UNSEEN takes forever.

| It may also be a good idea to separate, toolkit and normal
| activities into 2 different conferences.

| Does anyone else agree with this ? ................................

    I don't agree.  Creating 2 new conferences for MCC would mean we would
    have to search through THREE for information -- the two new ones and
    this existing "old" conference.  Unless the moderators sift this
    conference into the two new ones -- something I'll bet the moderators
    are much too busy to do.  I think it makes more sense to leave it all
    in one place.

    I'm fortunate enough to be on the same extended LAN as the MCC
    notefile, so it doesn't take me that long to search for things I need. 
    I can understand that slow access is frustrating.  Is there some other
    way we can improve this?

    Two questions:

    * DIR/UNSEEN takes a long time, but how often do you do that?  I think
    reading the file with Next Unseen uses a more efficient way to search
    through unseen notes than does the Directory command, but I don't know
    for sure.

    * When you say separate toolkit and normal activities, what do you
    mean by the latter?  Everything that's not in the toolkit?  I don't
    think there are that many notes in here dealing specifically with the
    toolkit.
2750.2Seperate by version.VCSESU::WADEBill Wade, VAXc Systems & Support EngMon Apr 13 1992 16:1412
    Gil,
    
    In my opinion it would have made more sense to have started a T1.2 
    conference and limited this one to V1.1 info.  Too late now.
    At this point I would suggest creating a new conf for the next FT
    version. 
    
    Some time back the question of creating seperate use and toolkit 
    conferences was asked and the general concensus was to keep it all
    together.  But I think seperating versions makes sense.  
    
    /bill
2750.3!broke :: !fixTOOK::MCPHERSONSave a tree: kill an ISO working group.Mon Apr 13 1992 21:186
Leave it alone!

I have enough @(*#@* conferences I have to keep track of and 
follow up on cross-postings.  

/doug
2750.4Put a list somewhere ?TAEC::LAVILLATTue Apr 14 1992 06:569
What about using a reserved note containing an up-to-date directory of
all the notes ?

Some conference moderators use to do this...

Pierre.


2750.5user group type notes in ENUF::NETMGTSKIBUM::GASSMANTue Apr 14 1992 11:259
    There is a network management conference on ENUF::NETMGT that can be
    used to discuss general network management issues.  Innovative uses of
    MCC and success stories could go there, leaving this conference for the
    "how do I" or "this seems broken" type of comments.  This file is very
    engineering oriented, many developers make use of it, and it's very
    valuable.  We do need a "users group" kind of conference though that
    doesn't expose the gizzards.  
    
    bill
2750.6This debate has been going on for a long timeTOOK::GUERTINMenagerie Control CenterTue Apr 14 1992 11:598
    The only problem with a "users group" type of conference it that
    sometimes the "I can't get this to work" notes turn out to be an
    honest-to-goodness bugs.  I assure you that most developers will
    not monitor the "users" notesfile (probably only the PM developers).
    So getting to "bug declaration" can be a while (then people will
    start cross-posting....)
    
    -Matt.
2750.7What about keywordsHAZARD::BAKERPaul Baker, UK Product and Technology Group - 844 3311Tue Apr 14 1992 12:015
I agree that this conferance is getting too big, but if everyone used 
keywords appropriately, then searching for a particular topic would not be
quite so painful.

Paul.
2750.8the conference will be closing....TOOK::CALLANDERMCC = My Constant CompanionWed Jun 10 1992 17:5417
    I am sorry I have been lax the last two months with getting the
    keywords in (and don't groan "she's back..."). It is currently
    my intention to start a new conference with the Vnext release.
    i want to seperate the field test from the released kit questions.
    As soon as the SSB kit is made available on the net it is my
    intention to start the new conference. 
    
    I will be starting only one conference though, and this one will
    be left active for ~1 month to allow people to get the answers to
    existing/outstanding questions, and to give you enough time to
    upgrade to V1.2. Depending upon how long it takes customers to
    get V1.2 there might be a slight time that this remains available
    for v1.1 questions as well.
    
    moderator
    jill
    
2750.9retain old confCSOADM::ROTHThe Blues MagoosWed Jun 10 1992 20:237
Please find the disk space to keep this conf online but writelocked.
It can probably answer many questions for those of us that are just getting
started with MCC.

Thanks-

Lee Roth