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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

2539.0. "Test for OSI compliance" by EPS::MARIKAR () Wed Mar 11 1992 13:26

Am I right in assuming that the test for whether or not a 3rd party
software that is DECnet based can be considered to be OSI compliant as far as
DEC is concerned if it can be made compliant with DECmcc, field test version
1.2, using the API provided ?

An example of a 3rd party software for VAX/VMS would be Raxco's Security 
Toolkit, version 3.1, that uses a full-node version of its software 
for centralized control and end-node versions of its software for all
the DECnet Phase IV nodes that it checks the security of transparently.

Also, does anyone know whether Raxco has been provided with a DECmcc
field test kit ? If not, what is the proper mechanism, meaning person,
DTN, email address or if outside please give the internet address and/or
phone.

Thanks.

Mo Marikar
Information Systems Engineering.
Polycenter.
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2539.1ask the vendorTOOK::MATTHEWSThu Mar 12 1992 21:2141
    OSI compliance is far more complicated than you have suggested. OSI
    is a very large scope. What part of OSI is something to be compliant
    with? DECmcc V1.2 has some OSI imbedded within it but it would be
    very arrogant of us to claim that compliance with DECmcc V1.2
    established compliance. 
    
    If you talk about just the management part of OSI, then there are
    several compliance issues that are in the forefront of discussion.
    First, is the proving that an ISO CMIP IS implementation is compliant
    with the CMIP standard at the IS level. That will be the first thing
    a customer or vendor will ask? DECmcc V1.2 has no ISO CMIP protocol
    implementation. There is a project ongoing that will deliver such
    a protocol engine and it is being implemented with an API that
    could be used to establish compliance. However, the protocol engine
    will not be packaged with V1.2. It may be available to a small number
    of internal DEC development organizations in the same time frame but
    it will not be released for general use for quite some time.
    
    There are issues of compliance to OSI objects. There are issues of
    compliance to the OSI SMI. There are issues of compliance to the
    OSI SMFs (ie. System Management Functions). OSI compliance without
    further definition is a meaningless phrase. You need to specifically
    identify which OSI standard you are interested in defining compliance
    toware.
    
    Yes, I know that customers ask if a particular thing is OSI compliant.
    You must smile at them and say, "What particular area of OSI compliance
    are you most interested in?" When they say all, nod your head knowingly
    and start into your sales pitch that Digital is a leader in OSI
    standards and has been a participant from the beginning of time. We
    chiseled the words OSI on the original stone tablets. You follow up
    with some positive words about Digital having OSI fully integrated into
    our protocol implementations and that we are in the process of moving
    our OSI management to the latest standards levels. When they ask when
    will it be complete, you can respond with a smile, "When the standards
    are complete."
    
    As to a particular third party software implementation; Ask the vendor
    who wrote the software.
    
    wally
2539.2DECnet Phase V complianceEPS::MARIKARMon Mar 16 1992 12:563
Let me rephrase the question. If there is a requirement to verify
whether a product were DECnet Phase V compatible is the test
compatability with DECmcc ?
2539.3Start overBLUMON::SYLORArchitect = Buzzword GeneratorThu Apr 23 1992 21:147
No that's not the right test.

Can we start over from scratch? What do you want to know?

Are you trying to figure out how to be EMA conformant or DNA conformant?

Mark
2539.4PSBLUMON::SYLORArchitect = Buzzword GeneratorThu Apr 23 1992 21:152
Oh yes, I don't get in this conf often enough to sustain a conversation. 
Try mail :-)