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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

1778.0. "DECbridge 90/DECrepeater 90 and Bridge AM?" by ZPOVC::RAMARAJ () Thu Nov 07 1991 07:48

    What is the latest on DECbridge 90 and DECrepeater management through
    DECmcc Bridge AM.  Did the management of it make it to V1.2?
    
    Raj
    ACT Singapore
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1778.1Not in EFT version...CHRISB::BRIENENDECmcc Bridge|Station|SNMP Management.Thu Nov 07 1991 13:577
DECbridge 90 / DECrepeater 90 management from the Bridge AM is NOT
in the (DECmcc ELM AM V1.1 : layers on DECmcc V1.2) EFT code.

The possibility of doing this in the short/medium term is being
looked at (we received a DECbridge 90 this week with the current
version of RBMS firmware - which isn't finished yet).

1778.2See Note 1768.2CHRISB::BRIENENDECmcc Bridge|Station|SNMP Management.Thu Nov 07 1991 14:066
See note 1768.2 for "better" information.

It would appear that support for DECbridge 90 / DECrepeater 90 from
Bridge AM is no longer needed.

					Chris
1778.3Not From Where I'm SittingSEDOAS::BESTFri Nov 08 1991 07:325
    
    	Not from where I'm sitting. Customers don't see the Ethernet AM 
    	as providing sufficiant capability for any of the HUB products.
    
    	Cheers...
1778.4Ethernet AM or Bridge AM ?CHRISB::BRIENENDECmcc Bridge|Station|SNMP Management.Fri Nov 08 1991 12:158
RE: 1778.3  SEDOAS::BEST

>    	Not from where I'm sitting. Customers don't see the Ethernet AM 
>    	as providing sufficiant capability for any of the HUB products.

  Are you saying that the Bridge AM (which previous replies reference)
  doesn't provide sufficient functionality, or that the Ethernet AM
  doesn't?
1778.5What They Want Is..SEDOAS::BESTWed Nov 13 1991 11:0313
    
    	Customers don't see the Ethernet Station AM as providing sufficiant 
    	management functionality for the DECbridge 90. It's OK for the 
    	DECrepeater 90 obviously. What their asking for is for the ELM AM
    	to be able to manage all models of DECbridges (ethernet, FDDI,-
    	Hub's).
    
    	Customers will welcome management of the DECserver 90 via the 
    	TSAM, it's a shame it's a bit slow coming.
    
    Regards....	
    		Peter B
    
1778.6Why ELM when can manage thru hub view?EMDS::SEAVERLENAC Net Mgnt Mktg 223-4573Tue Nov 19 1991 19:392
    Why do you want to manage the hub thru ELM when you can manage it thru
    SNMP and a "hub view"?
1778.7QUIVER::CHILDSEd ChildsWed Nov 20 1991 10:517
| Why do you want to manage the hub thru ELM when you can manage it thru
| SNMP and a "hub view"?

    Just a guess, but if a customer has a bunch of other DEC bridges (100s,
    200s, 500s, 600s) wouldn't she want to manage her DECbridge 90 through
    the same management tool with the same commands?

1778.8AgreeSEDOAS::BESTWed Nov 20 1991 12:207
     	
    	I agree with Ed exactly. Not all customers want to bother with 
    	separate AM's and some FM's to manage what is theoretically
    	the same device. On the other hand some people may want to
    	standardise on SNMP only for their environment. I hope not.
    
    Regards.....
1778.9Don't want to buy TCP/IP AM & UCX aswell..SEDOAS::BESTWed Nov 20 1991 12:368
    
    	In addition to my last reply, not all customers want to by the
    	TCP/IP AM and UCX especially when they have ELM AM and or the 
    	Bridge AM already in with DECmcc. I think this is really a Sales
    	& Marketing issue, don't you?
    
    
    Cheers....
1778.10ENUF::GASSMANWed Nov 20 1991 19:0313
    Shortly after the DEChub 90 supports SNMP, the SNMP AM will be included
    with all MCC packages, and a run time version of UCX will be available
    for very little money, so the cost issue is not as big a deal as it is
    today (as long as packaging plans stay as is).  One issue though is
    that by support of multiple protocols for the DEChub 90, you have
    alternate ways of talking to the device.  TCP/IP networks are much more
    fragile than Ethernet networks.  If you have different subnets or masks
    in place, two devices on the same LAN may not be able to talk IP to
    each other, while protocols using only 802 addressing will get thru.
    Also, ELMS can set the IP address of a FDDI bridge, and will eventually
    provide ring mapping, where the SNMP AM won't.  
    
    bill