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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

1564.0. "Navigation Map title is scrambled" by SLOVAX::BREINHOLT (Reb Breinholt) Mon Sep 30 1991 15:22

    Is there a fix for the navigtion map that I don't have?
    
    If I leave the navigation map on the screen while I Navigate up or 
    look down into a domain, the title for the navigation screen turns
    into jibberish - strange 8-bit characters with umlauts and tildas
    that don't make sense. (2 umlauted lowercase y's, @ sign, space,
    D,W,T,Britsh pound sign, Capital E with tilda)
    
    How do I fix it to show the name of the new domain correctly?
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1564.1VERNA::V_GILBERTMon Sep 30 1991 16:385
Last I heard, a Gobe bug causes this problem.  Generally if you click on the
Navigation button to get rid of the Nav Window and then click again to bring
it back, the title is ok.

Verna
1564.2DECwindows problem...NSSG::R_SPENCENets don't fail me now...Mon Sep 30 1991 17:079
    To elaborate...
    
    The Gobe bug is a DECwindows bug, not a DECmcc bug. Sigh... DECmcc
    can't fix it.
    
    As Verna says, the onl;y way around it for now is to remove it and
    put it back to fix the title.
    
    s/rob
1564.3Shall we solve this one one day ??BONNET::MALAISEAll you need is laugh!Wed Oct 02 1991 19:1613
    
    	Hey come on , this has been outlined since Internal Kit of
    	DECmcc 1.1 , lot's of months ago .... This really make customers 
    	feel that DECmcc isn't a 'ready to be used product' 
    	because this error is so obvious !!!! 
    
    	Is it so difficult to solve it ? I Understand this is not 
    	a DECmcc problem (from Eng. ) , however it really impact
    	the quality of the product ....
    
    	REgards ,
    
    	MaRc
1564.4Gibberish not seen with DECwindows V3 (Motif), but...CUJO::HILLDan Hill-Net.Mgt.-Customer ResidentThu Oct 03 1991 02:4312
    I have been running DECwindows V3 (Motif) for the last week and haven't
    seen the problem.  I agree that there should be a patch for those who
    are running earlier versions, though.
    
    There is a different problem in Motif, though.  The only way I have
    found to collapse the navigation window is to move it enough to expose
    the lower right corner of the map window.  At this stage, I can click
    in the box to collapse the navigation window.
    
    Has anyone found a better way?
    
    -Dan
1564.5NSSG::R_SPENCENets don't fail me now...Thu Oct 03 1991 11:277
    My understanding is that the DECwindows folks are not likely to fix the
    widget bug before they consider it obsoleted by Motif. I have also
    been pushing on the this for a year, but to no avail. So, I guess we
    just apologise to the customer - "Sorry, it's a bug" and when they
    get V1.2 they can use Motif and THAT problem goes away.
    
    s/rob
1564.6clarity...BSYBEE::EGOLFJohn C. Egolf LKG2-2/T02 x226-7874Thu Oct 03 1991 13:2115
	re .5
>    just apologise to the customer - "Sorry, it's a bug" and when they
>    get V1.2 they can use Motif and THAT problem goes away.

	There isn't  anything we're doing different for V1.2 around the
	area of Motif.    The  Motif  PM will follow V1.2 shortly there
	after.  You can  use  the  Motif  window manager NOW, does this
	solve the problem?

	I don't want people to  mis-understand  note  .5  and think the
	"formal" port from DECwindows to Motif is happening within V1.2
	timeframe;-  the  plan  has  been  discussed elsewhere  in  the
	conference.

	JCE
1564.7if it don't work, don't use itENUF::GASSMANThu Oct 03 1991 14:076
    If the bug cannot be worked around, perhaps the name of the domain
    should not appear in the navigation window.  I agree with MaRc.  It's
    a black eye on the product even though it's not the product's fault.
    
    bill
1564.8Another nit + a compliment for the Navigation windowCUJO::HILLDan Hill-Net.Mgt.-Customer ResidentThu Oct 03 1991 21:5414
    A problem I have noticed with the navigation window under Motif window
    manager is that the domain name in the nav window does not change when
    you "look up" or "look into" another domain.  The map changes, but not
    the name.  If you move the navigation window and click in the box to
    collapse it, then click again to expand it, the correct domain name
    appears.
    
    I must give you a compiment on the nav window.  I had two customers
    looking over my shoulder as we were troubleshooting a MAJOR network
    problem.  Alarms began going off like crazy and the nav window lit up
    like a Christmas tree.  We were able to spot "rough" trends as a result
    and found the problem in short order.
    
    Thanks.
1564.9More on Motif & Navigation WindowCUJO::HILLDan Hill-Net.Mgt.-Customer ResidentMon Oct 07 1991 02:2025
    A bit more info on the Navigation window under Motif (DECwindows V3).
    
    Seems the domain name in the Nav window is always one behind, unless
    you look into a domain which has no members or map.  In this case the
    name is two names behind.  I haven't tested it any deeper than four
    domains.
                                                                       
    Example:
    
      Looking into domains in sequence (.domain4 has no members or map):
    
       .domain1 --> .domain2 --> .domain3 --> .domain4
    
    	      - When you look into .domain2, you will see .domain1's name &
    		.domain2's map.
    	      - When you look into .domain3, you will see .domain2's name &
    		.domain3's map.
    	      -	When you get to .domain4, you will see .domain2's name. 
    	      -	When you look up from .domain4 back into .domain3, you
    		will see .domain4's name.
     
    
    Hope this is not too confusing.
    
    -dh