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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

989.0. "DECmcc in Client-Server mode ???" by STRASB::MOSER (Jean-Marc MOSER -- Strasbourg @ZTO) Mon May 06 1991 05:52

Hello,

PEUGEOT is asking us to run DECmcc VMS v1.1 on the following configuration:

-------------
! VAXserver ! running DECmcc
-------------
      !
----------------------------------------------------------Ethernet
       !                  !                  !
--------------     --------------     --------------
! VAXstation !     ! VAXstation !     ! VAXstation !
--------------     --------------     --------------

I know that only 2 users can loggon simultaneously on a VAXserver,
so I think that this configuration whith 3 Users or more cannot run.

The only way is to run this configuration is
to run the DECmcc KERNEL on the VAXserver 
and to distribute the PRESENTATION MODULES on the VAXstations.
In other word the configuration must run in Client-Server mode.

Is this feature available with DECmcc V1.1??
How can we run this ??

Many thanks for your help
Best regards
					      Jean-Marc MOSER
				  	VAXmail= STRASB::MOSER(47.152)
					DECmail= @ZTO  JEAN-MARC MOSER
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989.1BSYBEE::EGOLFJohn C. Egolf LKG2-2/T02 x226-7874Mon May 06 1991 20:3116
	We run DECmcc client/server all the time.

	Put DECmcc  on  system  "A".  Log into system "B".  From system
	"B"  SET  HOST   "A".    Login  to  system  "A".    Do  a   
	SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE="A"
	Use theSession manager pull  down menu on system "B" and select
	the Security option.  Add system "A" and the account you logged
	into on system "A".

	Now all you have to do is
	$ MAN/ENT/INT=DECW

	And  you'll be running DECmcc on  system  "A",  displaying  and
	interacting on system "B".

	JCE
989.2batch job - instead of set hostMOLAR::ROBERTSKeith Roberts - DECmcc Toolkit TeamTue May 07 1991 13:4111
    If you VMS license says you can only have two interactive users, then
    you can only run two MCC kernels on your server system.
    
    You could submit a batch job to the server - which connects to the
    client workstation then runs MCC - as John stated in .1 - Just submit
    the job to batch instead of the set host.
    
    DECmcc v2.0 will have distributed capabilities (I do not know when v2.0
    is scheduled though).
    
    /keith
989.3re:.0,.1.,.2BARREL::LEMMONTue May 07 1991 14:229
   The bottom line here is that the Iconic Map and FCL must be executed
on the same system that MCC is installed on.   PMs will not be distributed 
in the V1.2 timeframe.  

   There are mechanisms (like the ones already mentioned) to "pipe" the 
iconic map interface to another display but you still need to run them on 
the VAXserver.

/Jim
989.4*VERY* high priority for remideal servicesCLARID::PATELWe'll get it right on the nightFri Jun 28 1991 08:2948
    re .1 and .3  (better late than never)

    The mechanism in .1 IS NOT RUNNING DECMCC IN CLIENT SERVER MODE (I
    THINK) it is using the Xwindows client server capabilities -- which can
    be applied to any XWindows based application.

    The situation at PEUGOT is MOST DEFINITELY NOT UNIQUE.  "We" in the
    Service delivery organization have had this requirement for operating
    distributed PM for as long as I can remember.  The objective is to be
    able to run ONE Kernel which serves multiple PM (irrespective of where
    they are on the network).... currently the cost to the field of not
    having this capability is high, we have in Europe near on 100+ accounts
    where we could use this for the delivery of service, sorry to get long
    winded but let me explaine....

    We have DECmcc Kernel running at the customer site, the AM's are there
    too.  We then provide a capability to run up a PM at the Service Center
    which connects to the Customer site Kernel over a Dial up link (for
    those in the know this would be a DSNlink connection), the result being
    now we have a PM (ICONIC) running in the CSC depicting what is happening
    at the Customer site Graphically without having to have a large bandwidth
    connection to transport X packets.  Good init.

                        +-------------+
    			| Mcc Kernel  |
    			|             |
    			+-------------+
    		       	       |
    			       |
    		     PSTN Dial up DSNlink (some limitations here
    			       | 	  (we can discus if interested
    			       ^
    			       |
    		        +-------------+
    			| Mcc PM      |
    			|             |
    			+-------------+
    		       	      CSC

    What I understood from the 1.2 requirements was that all major modules
    would be implemented in a distributed manner, allowing us to customize
    the operation of MCC as above, IS THIS NOT THE CASE.  Note this is one
    of the features that would enable Digital Services to deliver truly
    cost effective services to large numbers of customers.

    Your understanding and help in this are would be greatly appreciated.

    Amrit Patel 
989.5NSSG::R_SPENCENets don't fail me now...Mon Jul 01 1991 18:267
    Hmmm, I never read anything for V1.2 that looked like client server.
    I think that is for V2.x.
    
    I agree that we need it (I have custemers too that want it) but first
    we have to walk before we run.
    
    s/rob
989.6CCan't blame me for trying ;-)CLARID::PATELWe'll get it right on the nightTue Jul 02 1991 07:5714
    re .5, agreed this may have been read in.  My understanding for 2.x was
    to deliver a director to director communications capability.  1.2 to
    implement the MM's using RPC so that they can ALL be distributed.

    Sorry if I sounded a little off, the main concern I have is that
    product requirements for the use of a product in Service Delivery
    always seem to get onto the "back burner".

    This capability for starting up a process at a customer site that
    effectively links to a PM running in DEC, operating with an MCC system
    at the customer site -- WOULD really help us to become cost effective. 


    Amrit