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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

777.0. "Registration of Apple Macintosh fails" by OSITEL::MATHEIS (life is beautiful) Fri Mar 08 1991 09:00

Hello,

In Hannover at CeBit I have to show NMGMT of Apple MAC
and IBM DOS. IBM DOS is OK, but I cannnot register the
MAC. I can do:

$mc ncp tell eusmac show exe char 

and other tell commands successfully, but when I try to
register the node I get the error message:

The requested operation cannot be completed
   MCC Unhandled Service Reply = NML object not found on Node

Wher is the problem ? How can I fix it ?

URGENT !!

Manfred
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777.1Sorry, you can't register Macs with DECmcc....TOOK::CAREYFri Mar 08 1991 13:1671
    
    Manfred,
    
    You will not be able to register the Macintosh.  Unfortunately, we have
    encountered some problems interoperating with the Mac's NICE protocol
    and its NML object server.
    
    I have been in contact with some of the Mac people here that should be
    able to help us resolve exactly what is going on.  For your purposes
    however, we can't register the MacIntosh.  It will take a new release
    of either DECmcc or the DECnet that runs on Macs.
    
    That doesn't mean that you can't perform operations to it using DECmcc.
    
    The error you have seen, 
    
	The requested operation cannot be completed
	   MCC Unhandled Service Reply = NML object not found on Node

    has, in my experience, been intermittent.  In a few moments, whatever
    condition it was that occurred will be cleared up.  It seems that the
    Mac itself requires a little time to clean up the context associated
    with its NML object.  If you want to use DECmcc FCL, you can, but I
    would suggest NOT using NCP around the same time.
    
    It is unfortunate that you can't register the Mac, as that means that
    you cannot put it on the map.
    
    However, you can use FCL (the command line interface) to interoperate
    with the mac with good success.  I have done a wide variety of
    operations to Macs (short of Registering them).
    
    The best suggestion I can give you for your customer:
    
    	1) Show them some management capability via FCL.  Not everything is
    	   possible, so try it first.  Also, be sure that DECmcc is the
    	   only manager you'll be using against the Mac.  I have found that
    	   using NCP first, then switching to DECmcc is likely to cause the
    	   error you have seen.  It can occur at other times, and I'm not
    	   sure what the conditions required are.  It appears that Macs
    	   only allow one manager at a time.
    
    	2) Tell them we're looking into the situation (true), but be
    	   careful not to make any promises.  I don't know the exact nature
    	   of the failure, or how we will get around it yet.  It may be
    	   fixed in DECmcc, or in the Mac.  We may be able to get around
    	   the whole situation by modifying our Registration requirements.
    	   There are a lot of options.
    
    FYI - it has been my experience that the Mac responds much more
    reliably to our requests if you give it a short break between requests.
    Sometimes it seems to take thirty seconds or so to recover from
    whatever it is doing so that it can listen again.
    
    Sorry I can't give you a better answer.  We have just not been able to 
    spend enough time with this problem to understand it fully.
    
    The MacIntosh falls into the category of "really nice things to support
    if it happens without too much trouble".  It has not been a primary
    focus although I am aware that it is often an integral part of NAS
    demos and would like to see it on the map and seamlessly integrated.
    
    We're definitely working towards that, but we don't have it for you
    yet.
    
    -Jim Carey
    
    P.S. Hi Manfred!  It is good to know you made it back from your trip to
    the States and now you're trying to sell DECmcc!
    
    
777.2How about a backdoor to register Macs?ANDRIS::putninsHands across the BalticsMon Mar 11 1991 16:373
Is there some hack we could use to enter the required info into DNS so
that we can place Macs on the map?  In general, where can I find
documentation on DECmcc's DECdns usage?
777.3Higher Mac priority neededHAFDOM::SITZ_GLMon Mar 11 1991 19:2516
    re .1
    Jim,
    
    How can I help change the status "real nice if not too much trouble..."
    of the Mac to something higher.  Like "if you don't do Mac's DECmcc
    is of no value to us."  The customer I an considering has a couple
    hundered VAXen, some I*M PC's and more than 1700 Mac's.  The Mac
    population is projected to double in the next 16 months.
    
    The numbers vary from customer to customer, but we simply must have
    a better story for service of the Mac's.
    
    Regards,
    
    Glen R.
    
777.4answer about changeing prioritiesTOOK::MATTHEWSFri Mar 22 1991 14:0335
    I am the Development Manager for DECmcc DNA4 AMs. If the customer that
    was talked about in .3 is a very large sale (ie. more than a few
    DECmcc licenses), make that information available to Tony Viola of
    TaN Network Management marketing. If you know of other situations
    where support of Mac's is the critical factor to selling DECmcc
    include that in your message to Tony. For the DNA4 AM team to spend
    any significant effort to provide a work around for Macintosh's
    idiosynchracies, we need to defer some other work. Right now Mac's
    have little impact on DECmcc is the perspective that we have. If
    that perception is wrong, it needs to be corrected. The easiest
    way to correct it is to quantify the impact of not having it
    supported. Without that information there is little likelihood that
    Network Management Engineering will give higher priority to Mac's.
    
    NME is working on changeing the way registration works. Sometime in
    the future the Registration FM will allow registration of entities
    that are currently unreachable. When that becomes available you will
    be able to register Mac's whose NML is not currently reachable. We
    have had similar problems with DECnet DOS in the past doing the same
    things. DECnet DOS's latest releases have corrected the problem but
    it has inspired us to change the way registration will work.
    Regrettably this will not fix your problem for the short term. The
    work within the Registration FM is scheduled but has not been started.
    We can make no commitments as to which kit it will be available in.
    But we are aware of its need are making the changes.
    
    Another avenue to consider. If you need AM specific work done, you
    can contact Karl Molander on node NWACES. Karl has several developers
    who are trained in developing Access Modules and who work very
    tightly coupled with NME. Karl's people are for AM development
    consulting to either customers and/or internal DEC organizations.
    Karl may be able to do something for you in the short term and
    feed it back into the mainstream product.
    
    wally