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| 733.1 | need more info | BARREL::LEMMON | | Tue Feb 19 1991 01:22 | 45 |
| > On attempting to use the new system I have encountered a number
> of problems. The first being on the world map a message stating
> "One or more global entities is deregistered. Unable to display them."
> This map has three domains all of which are showing ? I also recieve
> this at a lower level in the domain hierachy where I am displaying
> actual nodes. Here I found the IP nodes missing. I replaced these on
> the map OK but I am still getting the message.
Check the logicals MCC_MAPS and MCC_ICONS. The Iconic map looks in
MCC_MAPS for the maps files and MCC_ICONS for the icons. They are
defined "sys$disk:[],mcc_common:" and "mcc_common:". The ? being
displayed inside the icon indicates that the icon files for the
entity class was not found in MCC_ICONS.
If you want to see what the domain really contains, type
MCR DNS$CONTROL SHOW OBJECT domain ATTRIBUTE DNS$MEMBERS
This will list all the domain members that the domain has. (A future
version of the Iconic Map will also list the unregistered domain
members)
> The second problem was that a domain showing Phase IV nodes with
> lines interconnecting got populated as if the map did not exist even
> though it was displayed i.e. the lines did not match the systems. This
> could only be displayed after turning off notification since I was
> informed that Notification could be corrupted.
What do you mean by got populated? Did you initially add the nodes,
draw the lines, save the map, and then re-open the domain, and then
find the nodes autoplaced instead of where you initially put them?
> So I decided to delete the domain and try to recreate it. This is
> when I encountered a third problem in that I was unable to create
> domains through the Iconic Map. I got through the registration details
> (username,directory) but then got an error "Unable to create member
> .domain.fred. It is not registered.". However through the FCL it is
> registered and if I attempt the command again through the Iconic Map,
> I no longer get the registration form but still get the same message.>
If I understand you right, a "directory domain .domain.fred" works,
indicating that the domain is created/registered. But a "create domain
xxx member .domain.fred" fails. Is that true?
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| 733.2 | clarification | UBOHUB::BRYAN | | Tue Feb 19 1991 08:21 | 23 |
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Sorry if my explanations were not clear, I will try to clarify them.
The first problem is not related to the logicals you suggested. The
map and icons all display correctly. The question mark relates not to
a display on the map but my own surprise as to why I should get an
error message on entering the domain when all appears fine within it.
I get the same error message on another domain which contains a mixture
of entities yet they are all displayed correctly.
Can you tell me what might cause this error message or how I might find
out which global entities it thinks are deregistered ?
The second problem you are correct in that a previously created map with
lines and icons became a map of lines and autoplaced nodes. This I am not
too concerned about since I have now deleted the domain.
The last problem I have resolved by using a different directory in response
to the Add Entity domain form. Both directories have RWE privs for the
account, however the one used previously would not allow me to create
domains through the iconic map but would allow me through the FCL.
Thanks - Francis.
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| 733.3 | More info | UBOHUB::BRYAN | | Tue Feb 19 1991 09:14 | 12 |
| As an update to the previous note. The third problem still exists on
one particular domain. I try to create a new domain within this domain
through the iconic map. However after completing the Add Entity form with
Owner Id and Directory and pointing at the map I get a message box with
"Unable to create member DGMT21_NS:.domain.tom. It is not registered.".
If I do a SHOW DOMAIN .DOMAIN.TOM from the FCL the domain has been
resistered.
What steps does the iconic map go through when adding new entities ?
Why should it work within one domain but not another ?
Any help appreciated - Francis.
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| 733.4 |
| TOOK::F_MESSINGER | | Tue Feb 19 1991 10:13 | 11 |
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Francis,
Were the domains you are having problems with created with an older
version of MCC? If so, backward compatibility is not supported for
any pre MCC 1.1 kits. Hopefully we will be backward compatible with
subsequent releases. If they were created with an older MCC, delete them
and recreate them. (Not a very popular statement!)
Fred
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| 733.5 | All V1.1 EFT | UBOHUB::BRYAN | | Tue Feb 19 1991 13:20 | 5 |
| Fred,
The domains were all created with the V1.1 EFT version.
Francis.
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| 733.6 | re:.2 | BARREL::LEMMON | | Wed Feb 20 1991 00:11 | 15 |
| The message is informational in nature. The domain fm requires
that a global entity be registered before it can be put in a domain.
The messge you are seeing is telling you that the domain fm found
a member in the domain that has been deregistered. The Iconic Map
us unable to display members that are deregistered because only the
fullname is returned. The class information is missing.
Try the following from the command line
MCC> SHOW DOMAIN domain MEMBER * ALL CHAR
This is what the Iconic map does when you open a domain. You should
see the fullname of the member that is deregistered. Either register
the entity that this fullname represents or delete it from the domain.
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| 733.7 | RE:.3 | BARREL::LEMMON | | Wed Feb 20 1991 00:25 | 4 |
| see note 356.1 for information on how the add operation works.
Try doing it via the command line (MCC> CREATE DOMAIN domain MEMBER
.DOMAIN.TOM).
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| 733.8 | results | UBOHUB::BRYAN | | Tue Feb 26 1991 14:56 | 65 |
| Jim,
RE: .6 This is the result of the command you suggested. All members in the
domain are registered OK, all get displayed on the map OK, but I still
get the message.
MCC> SHOW DOMAIN .DOMAIN.WORLD MEMBER * ALL CHAR
Domain DGMT21_NS:.DOMAIN.WORLD Member DGMT21_NS:.DOMAIN.UNITED_STATES
AT 26-FEB-1991 16:39:17 Characteristics
Examination of attributes shows
Member Type = Dynamic
Member Entity = Domain
DGMT21_NS:.DOMAIN.UNITED_STATES
Domain DGMT21_NS:.DOMAIN.WORLD Member DGMT21_NS:.DOMAIN.WESTERN_EUROPE
AT 26-FEB-1991 16:39:19 Characteristics
Examination of attributes shows
Member Type = Dynamic
Member Entity = Domain
DGMT21_NS:.DOMAIN.WESTERN_EUROPE
Domain DGMT21_NS:.DOMAIN.WORLD Member DGMT21_NS:.DOMAIN.GIA
AT 26-FEB-1991 16:39:19 Characteristics
Examination of attributes shows
Member Type = Dynamic
Member Entity = Domain DGMT21_NS:.DOMAIN.GIA
MCC> SHOW DOMAIN .DOMAIN.WESTERN_EUROPE ALL CHAR
Domain DGMT21_NS:.DOMAIN.WESTERN_EUROPE
AT 26-FEB-1991 16:40:44 Characteristics
Examination of attributes shows
Owner ID = "NETMAN"
Directory = $1$DUA1:[BRYAN]
MCC> SHOW DOMAIN .DOMAIN.GIA ALL CHAR
Domain DGMT21_NS:.DOMAIN.GIA
AT 26-FEB-1991 16:40:57 Characteristics
Examination of attributes shows
Owner ID = "NETMAN"
Directory = $1$DUA1:[BRYAN]
MCC> SHOW DOMAIN .DOMAIN.UNITED_STATES ALL CHAR
Domain DGMT21_NS:.DOMAIN.UNITED_STATES
AT 26-FEB-1991 16:41:10 Characteristics
Examination of attributes shows
Owner ID = "NETMAN"
Directory = $1$DUA1:[BRYAN]
RE: .7 the command works successfully from the command line but will
not display on the map. It gives the not registered message
as before.
Francis.
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| 733.9 | re: .8 | BARREL::LEMMON | | Thu Feb 28 1991 14:52 | 6 |
| Francis,
I don't understand why this is happening and need to investigate
it further. Lets work this off line. Give me a call at DTN 226-5329 or
send mail to BARREL::LEMMON.
/Jim
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| 733.10 | try dns setup again | WELCLU::MCCALLUM | | Fri Mar 08 1991 14:47 | 9 |
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I had a similar problem on upgrading from EFT to BMS. I ran the
MCC_DNS_SETUP again and it created a new DNS directory to do with DTSS.
This has been added since EFT1.1
After a reboot the global enetity message never appeared again.
Dave
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| 733.11 | Unable to create domain member; Can't do directory from IMPM | CUJO::HILL | Dan Hill-Net.Mgt.-Customer Resident | Wed Oct 16 1991 16:01 | 46 |
| I have just experienced this same error. If a resolution has been
posted, please provide a pointer.
SYMPTOMS:
(NOTE: .domain_2 and .domain_3 belong to .domain_1 and can be
seen via the IMPM and FCL.)
I just completed several domain rebuilds to correct a typo error in the
Owner ID field. Everything went just fine.
When I tried to ADD .domain_3 as a member of .domain_2 from
IMPM, I got the infamous error message:
"Unable to create domain memeber .domain_3. It is not registered."
I "looked up" from .domain_2 to .domain_1, selected .domain_3 icon,
tried to do a DIRECTORY operation on .domain_3 from IMPM and got the
following:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Operation: Directory
Entity: Domain .domain_2
Domain: MY_NS:.domain_1
16-OCT-1991 08:05:00
The requested operation cannot be completed
MCC Unhandled Service Reply No such entity: Domain MY_NS:.domain_1 -
Member *
Domain MY_NS:.domain_1 Member *
------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. All directory and show commands are successful from FCL on ALL
domains.
2. I can add other entities in .domain_2 with no problem.
3. The following FCL command fails with a very strange error:
MCC> CREATE DOMAIN .domain_2 MEMBER .domain_3
MY_NS:.domain_2 Member MY_NS:.bdg.BRIDGE1
Unable to create member MY_NS:.domain_3. It is not registered.
????? Why do I get a bridge which is a member of .domain_2
showing up in the error message when I try to add
.domain_3 as a member of .domain_2 ?????
-Dan
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| 733.12 | FYI re: .11 - I am running DECmcc V1.1 | CUJO::HILL | Dan Hill-Net.Mgt.-Customer Resident | Wed Oct 16 1991 16:12 | 1 |
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| 733.13 | Solution to "deregistered domain member" problem. | CUJO::HILL | Dan Hill-Net.Mgt.-Customer Resident | Fri Oct 18 1991 02:55 | 52 |
| The following are solutions based on discussions with Jim Lemmon:
When you have deleted and deregistered a domain that was a member of
one or more existing domains, strange things happen.
To prevent the problem:
1. MCC> DELETE DOMAIN .parent_domain MEMBER .child_domain
(You can use a "*" if .child_domain is a member of many domains.
If you are doing this from the Iconic Map PM, you must look into
every parent domain which includes .child_domain as a member and
delete it using the "double-lined delete icon" from the toolbox.
If .child_domain is a member of 100 other domains, you're gonna
be deleting for a long, long time.)
2. MCC> DELETE DOMAIN .child_domain
If you do step 2 before step 1 , or you don't do step 1 at all, you
will see strange error messages and behavior as mentioned in earlier
replies to note 733. Here is the method to recover from your error.
1. Find the deregistered/deleted child domain which is causing you
problems:
MCC> SHOW DOMAIN .parent_domain MEMBER *
and look for the following message
"Detected a deregistered Domain Member. MY_NS:.prob_child_domain"
(By the way, I mentioned at the end of note 733.11
that I saw a bridge entity show up in the error
message following a CREATE command. Turns out
that this bridge entity was just before the
"Detected a deregistered..." message. This is
another helpful way of finding a problem entity.)
This message can be hard to spot if you have many entities in your
.parent_domain, so it may be helpful to create an output file and
search for "Detected".
2. Once identified, you must re-create/re-register .prob_child_domain
so that you can properly delete it as a member of all other
domains.
MCC> CREATE DOMAIN .prob_child_domain
3. Now you can delete .prob_child_domain from other domains and
finally delete the .prob_child_domain altogether.
MCC> DELETE DOMAIN * MEMBER .prob_child_domain
MCC> DELETE DOMAIN .prob_child_domain
-Dan
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