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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
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Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
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641.0. "DECmcc questions for huge 3rd party " by TENERE::HAYES () Mon Jan 21 1991 08:16


	This is a set of questions in the context of a huge european
	third party vendor.

	We wanted to come over to the U.S to discuss the responses
        in details but the gulf crisis delayed our trip .

	Could you please help us to provide me with the
        most accurate and detailed information (even by mail TENERE::HAYES) 
	because this project is very important for Europe.

	Thanks in advance

		Catherine 



   TECHNICAL QUESTIONS :
   -------------------

a. INTERNATIONALIZATION : what is provided to handle it ?
	As an OEM our customer might require to customize DECmcc in 
the following domains and different european languages :

	- Language adaptation ( to suit EEC requirements ) for 
all kind of information messages, e.g. support of text include 
files by the MSL translator.

	- DECwindows PM menus : the potential users of NMC might 
be operators not speaking english or any computer syntax, though
requiring customized pull-down menus.

	- PROMPT : substitute the MCC prompt by the NMC prompt.

b.  FM PROGRAMMING GUIDE :  availability ?

c.  PM PROGRAMMING GUIDE :  availability ?

d. USE OF MIR or EXPORTED RDB RELATIONS : what is used in the 
performance and historian FMs ? What is the recommended method
and its impact to process MIR data to provide graphical reports,
without having to switch of environment ( e.g. from DECmcc to 
DECdecision or SQL ) ?
	Will there be any day mcc_sql_xxx like routines ?

e. EXHAUSTIVE GUIDELINES to ease portability from DECmcc/VMS
top DECmcc/ULTRIX : gather the guidelines provided by MCC 
engineering and provide the "Portability guide".


f. ALARM SEVERITY : how many severities are defined, are the severity
colors customizable, how the user is notified that an alarm fired.

g. "EVENT LOGGING" : What function will implement
the recording of past events, will the HOR or the historian 
implement this function and in what timeframe.

h. ACCOUNTING : What form to give to this function is the most suitable :
develop an accounting FM or a L4G package attacking an RBD exported database.

i. BUSINESS GRAPHICS UNDER DECmcc : Will pie charts, tables be usable
under the DECmcc interface.

j. HISTORIAN : What accesses are available to past data ? how does it
work internally ? 

k. PRIORITY ADJUSTMENT : How can we tune priorities within DECmcc
to obtain a good tread-off between real time and off-line data treatments.


                                 
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641.1some of your answersGOSTE::CALLANDERMon Jan 21 1991 18:5370
    
    Catherine,
    
    Hope this helps, but you might want to get in touch with John (TOOK::)
    Egolf to get yourself a single technical contact for future questions
    if this account is that important.
    
    Ask if more detail is required.
    
    a) Alot of work was put into data driving the PMs, both Iconic Map
    and FCL. But...at this point in time we do not give you a single
    method for translating MCC into other languages. We have the ability
    to translate alot but without instructions (and none are documented
    to date) doing the job would be difficult.
    
       One of the areas of internationalization not yet worked on at
    all is that of data formats for things like dates/times/reals.
    
       The prompt can already be reset using the user default prompt
    command, as for changing this permanently it read in by the FCL
    from the dictionary so long term translation is possible in the
    future.
    
    b) FM guide -- There is a desire to do this some time in the not
    to distant future, but as of yet we suggest that people use the
    guide to writing an AM along with the SRM to do any FM work (FM
    and AM developement are almost identical except for talking to the
    entites)
    
    c) PM guild -- There is also a desire to do this but that is a bit
    further out since we need to complete some areas of the PM architeture
    first (like PM to PM communications).
    
    d) use of the MIR -- I will leave this one to others more knowledgeable
    in this area.
    
    e) Portability guidelines -- Jim Swist has written a good document
    on portability which is being used to update the AM guide so as
    to describe writing portable MCC software.
    
    f) alarm severity -- We are using the severity levels defined in
    the ISO stardards that are around. The color for each level is
    customizable on a per user basis. When an enabled rule fires the
    alarm causes the icon, for the entity mentioned in the rule, to
    be turned the color specified for the severity level. You can also
    get a "broadcast" style of notification from the FCL and a textual
    display from the iconic map (on request). See the BMS Use manual
    coming out soon for complete details.
    
    g) event logging -- At this point in time the only logging is when
    the user explicitly says from the FCL PM to Print the events that
    have been displayed/logged into the FORMs mode output buffer (500
    lines). In the future it is a goal to have complete historical
    recording of events. I don't have a time frame for you though.
    
    h) accounting -- I'm not the right one for this
    
    i) graphics -- I will leave this for Jim or Dave, but I know that
    is definitly on the list
    
    j) historian -- I will leave this to Sam
    
    k) priority adjustment -- I am not sure what priorities you want
    to adjust; could you clarify this one please.
    
    
    Jill Callander
    (FCL PM and Notification FM PL)
    
    
641.2more answersTOOK::SHMUYLOVICHTue Jan 22 1991 16:0825
    
    Re: .0
    
    Catherine,

    I'll answer on questions about Historian and historical data.

    Historical data recorded by Historian can be accessed using SHOW
    directive with the past time scope of interest. Performance FM and 
    Exporter(when it exports historical data) use this.

    Although historical data are stored in the MIR I would not recommend
    using mcc_mir_xxx routines to get them because the format of the 
    historical data in the MIR can be modified in the future. So the
    only "legal" method to obtain historical data is the Show directive
    with the past time scope of interest.

    I don't think that mcc_sql_xxx routines will be available.
    If you need to use historical data inside MCC you can record them
    using Historian and later get them using SHOW directive( or mcc_call). 
    If you need to use historical data outside of MCC you can export
    them using Exporter and later get them using SQL. (Exporter is able to 
    export historical data as well as future data).

	Sam
641.3some more questionsTENERE::HAYESThu Jan 31 1991 15:2846
    
    	I have other questions :
    
    1) - Is it planned to be able to represent child entities (not
         only global entities) also with icons in the future (in what
    	 probable timeframe) ?
    	All child entities ?
    	Only the "static" child entities and not the "volatile" child entities
    	like circuits or links for example ? 
    
    2) - I did not understand well Jill's answer about
    	 the prompt , so I will try to express my question better :
    
    	* Using the FCL PM when I type
    	$ MANAGE/ENTERPRISE
    	I get :
    	MCC >
    
    	Is it possible and if yes how to proceed in details to get such a prompt
                                                          
    	NMC > instead of MCC for example
    	and how to set a user default prompt 
    
    
    	* Using the Iconic map PM
    
    	How can I get the first window I get with something like
    	NMC Map in the title bar instead of DECmcc Map.
    
    	And when I do a open domain, How to get NMC Domain x
    	instead of DECmcc Domain x.
    
    
    	You may think I insist, but it is something very important
    	for third parties to have a platform where DEC or DECmcc
    	do not appear.
                                                      
    	
  3)- Last : I would need a contact person to dispatch my large
    	     third party customer.
    
    		Thanks in advance for your cooperation
	
    
        	Catherine
                                   
641.4use promptGOSTE::CALLANDERTue Feb 05 1991 20:2214
    
    To reset the prompt use the command
    	MCC> USE PROMPT NMC >
    	NMC > 
    
    This command can be placed in the mcc initialization files. But
    it sounds like you have some one who wants it to look like their
    own product, more like an OEM situation. There are ways to change
    things like the prompt on a more permeanent basis but without the
    toolkit it is not possible.
    
    jill
    (BTW: I sent your request for a contact name along to John Egolf.)
    
641.5RE .3BARREL::LEMMONThu Feb 14 1991 21:2319
   
>    	* Using the Iconic map PM
>    
>    	How can I get the first window I get with something like
>    	NMC Map in the title bar instead of DECmcc Map.
>    
>    	And when I do a open domain, How to get NMC Domain x
>    	instead of DECmcc Domain x.
>
	We currently define the "DECmcc" in a VAXC include file.  
	This means that if you wanted to change it you would need to 
	re-compile and relink the Iconic Map PM.  

	If being able to change this particular field is very important,
	we could put it under logical control or in a text file that
	the user could edit.

/Jim    
    
641.6Current status of internationalization?SOLVIT::SILVACarl Silva - TNM/PNM Business Development ManagerWed Jul 29 1992 21:3715
	RE: .1,

>    a) Alot of work was put into data driving the PMs, both Iconic Map
>    and FCL. But...at this point in time we do not give you a single
>    method for translating MCC into other languages. We have the ability
>    to translate alot but without instructions (and none are documented
>    to date) doing the job would be difficult.
>    
>       One of the areas of internationalization not yet worked on at
>    all is that of data formats for things like dates/times/reals.

	What is the current status of this?  We have had a number of requests
for this from Korea, Taiwan, and Hong Kong.

	Carl
641.7Still about the sameTOOK::MINTZErik Mintz, dtn 226-5033Thu Jul 30 1992 03:326
As far as I know, there has been no significant progress on internationalization
for DECmcc.  The current person to contact to raise this on the requirements
list is Gail (DELNI::) Ferreira.

-- Erik