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Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

505.0. "Call for opinions." by TOOK::F_MESSINGER () Fri Nov 30 1990 22:48

    
    What do you think:
    
      What is a "reasonably" sized domain?  When do you think
    a domain gets unweildy because of it's size?
    
      Also,  how do you think people will structure the things
    they have to manage?  Will they create domains that contain 
    mostly one kind of entity or will they mix things?  
    
      Will they create deeply nested domains or will they keep 
    things flat?
    
      If you have good input from custermers et al., we'd like 
    to here it.  If you have a SWAG we'd like to here it too.
    
    Fred
    
    
                                           
    
    
    
    
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505.1one opinionJETSAM::WOODCOCKTue Dec 04 1990 14:2551
    
      What is a "reasonably" sized domain?  When do you think
    a domain gets unweildy because of it's size?

> It depends on your environment. LAN, WAN, both and the mixes of
> protocols/technologies. Your present level is at 3200. This
> should be sufficient for most needs I would think. This could
> handle even two node4 areas plus room to breathe. Personally,
> a 3200 entity domain for me is unmanagable but may have its uses
> depending on management styles and what the tool is being used
> for. LAN domains may tend to get quite large if everything is
> lumped together (node4, node, IP, servers, etc..). Practically,
> this size wouldn't make sense unless the domain is created thru
> autoconfiguration. It's also tough to see 3200 objects on a map.
> It also depends on the amount of interaction needed to the entities.
> You could contain all the nodes on a LAN within a domain but how
> often is their real interaction to those objects (the less the 
> interaction, the easier it is to maintain a larger domain)? They
> may be their for accounting purposes mainly and very occasional
> troubleshooting.
  
      Also,  how do you think people will structure the things
    they have to manage?  Will they create domains that contain 
    mostly one kind of entity or will they mix things?  

> The trend may be to keep things seperated but I would think the 
> future will bring more and more mix. That's what integration is
> all about and where this tool is leading us in a management space.
> But there are practical limitations of mixing as well so I wouldn't
> expect everybody to be mixing all entities within domains.
    
      Will they create deeply nested domains or will they keep 
    things flat?

> The more complex the management, the deeper the nesting. If a 
> customer tends to mix everything up they probably aren't managing
> extreme amounts of entities if they can afford to leave the domain 
> flat. There will always be break points by which the user can segment
> domains (by area, site, subnet, class, even LAN segment if necessary)
> to keep their environment usable. The future problem I potentially
> see is autoconfiguration. With a large network, you could break a
> 3200 entity domain easily (machines don't have common sense).
    
brad...    
    
                                           
    
    
    
    

505.2my opinionCLARID::HOFSTEETake a RISC, buy a VAXWed Dec 05 1990 06:5232
>      What is a "reasonably" sized domain?  When do you think
>    a domain gets unweildy because of it's size?
    
    If the current limit is 3200 as mentioned in the previous note, I think
    that is big enough. It all depends what kind of structure you are
    trying to represent eg. geographic, logical, organizational which all
    require a different degree of detail. For a network manager I guess
    that he would like to have for example: top-domain-->domain per site-->
    domain per lan and maybe one per segment.
        
>      Also,  how do you think people will structure the things
>    they have to manage?  Will they create domains that contain 
>    mostly one kind of entity or will they mix things?  
    
    I think that people are tended towards grouping things geographically.
    for example : one domain per (extended) lan. This means that this
    domain would contain different types of equipment.    
    
>      Will they create deeply nested domains or will they keep 
>    things flat?
    
	My experience is that if you use more than 3 (max 4) levels,
    navigating becomes quite tedious. So I guess this tends to be a 'flat'
    structure.
    
    
    Hope this helps
    
    Timo    
      If you have good input from custermers et al., we'd like 
    to here it.  If you have a SWAG we'd like to here it too.