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Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

443.0. "Effect of SCI agreement on installed NETVIEW cust's?" by RIPPLE::KOPEC_ST (Seattle DNT/Sales - DTN 545-4207) Tue Oct 30 1990 02:27

From the Oct 15 SU page 69 SCI article...

1)  It is stated that the joint DEC/SCI implementation will result in the 
    ability for DECmcc and SCI's NET/MASTER product to inter-operate as peers.
    >>>That's great news!

2)  It is also stated that this connection will provide for bi-directional 
    exchange of net mgmt info between DECmcc and...
		BOTH NET/MASTER and NETVIEW.
    >>>hmmm, OK, but there was an unexplained jump in functionality here.

3)  Later on it is stated that if the customer already has NETVIEW, both DECmcc 
    and the joint dev effort can be positioned as ways of providing connections 
    to NETVIEW with gradual integration of SNA mgmt info into DECmcc.
    >>>I think I need elaboration/specifics on this one...

I understand what the intent of the joint dev agreement is between SCI and 
DEC and how this will help customers who will have DECmcc on the DEC side 
and NET/MASTER on the IBM side but...

What is unclear is the benefit that existing NETVIEW customers will receive 
once this joint product ships.  The marketing language in paragraph 3 above 
is suggesting that NET/MASTER will somehow provide a link between NETVIEW and 
DECmcc.  Can someone give some insight into the following questions/concerns?

	a)  Is the NET/MASTER product relegated to a simple "messenger" role 
	    between DECmcc and NETVIEW (as opposed to a viable NETVIEW 
            alternative) in this environment?
                                   
        b)  Or are we planning on forming a similar peer relationship
            between DECmcc and NETVIEW?
    
	c)  Will the benefits to this existing NETVIEW customer be at least 
	    as enticing and transparent as the "NET/MASTER to DECmcc" 
	    bidirectional links?  
	   
					Thanks, Stan

    	
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443.1DECmcc-Net/Master >> DECmcc-NetViewNMVT::WINKLERWed Oct 31 1990 12:2352
     >	a)  Is the NET/MASTER product relegated to a simple "messenger" role 
     >	    between DECmcc and NETVIEW (as opposed to a viable NETVIEW 
     >      alternative) in this environment?
     >
SCI will be providing a "NetView Bridge", that co-resides with NetView (no
mean feat, given the limitations of the CNM interface in VTAM).  It will
manage the IBM side of the communication with the DECmcc components, but,
more than that, will provide the conversion into the IBM formatted alerts
for processing by the NetView Hardware Monitor.  It will also provide the
NetView components needed for the NetView operator to manage the flow
of events/alerts between the systems. Depending on configuration, it may
be able to provide distribution between SNA domains beyond that done
by NetView.
                                   
     >  b)  Or are we planning on forming a similar peer relationship
     >      between DECmcc and NETVIEW?

See above and below.

     >    
     >	c)  Will the benefits to this existing NETVIEW customer be at least 
     >	    as enticing and transparent as the "NET/MASTER to DECmcc" 
     >	    bidirectional links?  

No, the NetView customer will NOT realize the same benefits as the Net/Master
user.  This is partly for strategic reasons, partly for purely technical 
reasons, and partly for reasons of not wanting to put effort into things
that will not solve real customer problems.

Example: We will be able to forward DECmcc events to the SNA management system.
Net/Master can make the original information available to the user on a
screen and/or to user-developed NCL processes.  In NetView, however, the 
conversion to standard formats and pre-defined fields will certainly result
in a loss of information.  Another example of the difference is that Net/Master
provides a level of management information distribution that is not currently
available with NetView.  It is not clear whether this will change, or how 
much it will change, with NetView V2R2, not due out for another year.

The basic differences in the 2 configurations are this: with either full-blown
Net/Master or the NetView bridge, we will be able to receive SNA notifications
in DECmcc, and provide basic monitoring and control of SNA resources from
DECmcc, and we will be able to forward DECmcc events to be treated as
alerts in either SNA management system.  There will also be access from 
Net/Master to some management operations in DECmcc; that will not be available 
to the NetView operator.  Lastly, there will be some configuration limitations
with NetView that we can overcome with Net/Master - purely a function of the
differences between the two product architectures.

Hope this helps, for now.  We'll try to get more details out as they're
available.

K
443.2NMVT - at least you can pronounce our acronyms!RIPPLE::KOPEC_STSeattle DNT/Sales - DTN 545-4207Sun Mar 03 1991 23:4418
I just received a copy of a local hospital's 5 year Strategic Network plan.
As they explain their own Strategic Network Architecture, under the Net Mgt 
section they state that...

"Net Mgt info will be accepted that conforms to the following standards:
	1) SNMP 
	2) CMIP/CMIS 
	3) IBM's SNA Network Management Vector Transport (NMVT) message 
	   format.  The IBM define Request for Maintenance Statistics (RECFMS) 
	   is not an acceptable substitute."

Since DEC will have no problem meeting requirements 1 and 2 above, and since 
this hospital has an SNA network now with Netview installed,...

Is it too early in the DEC-SCI partnership to know whether or not SCI will 
use NMVT as their message format when communicating between NETVIEW and MCC?

					Thanks, Stan
443.3"NIM-vit"SMAUG::WINKLERTue Mar 05 1991 14:3319
    
>Is it too early in the DEC-SCI partnership to know whether or not SCI will 
>use NMVT as their message format when communicating between NETVIEW and MCC?
    
    No, although it's early enough that anything we think is true today may
    be false tomorrow, and vice versa.
    
    Having said that, the answer is, as always, "it depends".  That is,
    NMVTs will not flow across the wire, but alerts sent to NetView will
    likely be formatted into NMVT alert major vectors for passing across
    the interface into NetView. 
    
    Other information - such as that which controls the state of the alert
    flow - will never be in NMVT format.
    
    I can't resist pointing out, however, that the management information
    flow is between two cooperating applications (i.e. DECmcc/SNA and
    NET/MASTER) and presented at known interfaces, so the on-the-wire
    encoding really shouldn't matter to anyone!