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Conference azur::mcc

Title:DECmcc user notes file. Does not replace IPMT.
Notice:Use IPMT for problems. Newsletter location in note 6187
Moderator:TAEC::BEROUD
Created:Mon Aug 21 1989
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6497
Total number of notes:27359

267.0. "Missing MCC$STARTUP.COM ?" by GLORY::KATZ (Follow your conscience) Mon Aug 20 1990 19:14

    I have just installed the mcc kit V1.0. The March installation
    guide states(P.A-2) that there should be a MCC$STARTUP.COM
    file in dua0:[sys0.syscommon.sys$startup]. I have done
    a search of mcc*.com and did not find this file although
    I have found the bms, dir and tk startup files as well as
    other mcc com files. Where is MCC$STARTUP.COM? Besides
    this minor problem the install was flawless. Thanks.
    
    
    
    			-Jim-
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267.1GOSTE::CALLANDERMon Aug 20 1990 20:086
    I believe if you check the release notes you will find that
    there are now seperate start up files for the different
    kits (in March there was only one kit).  I will check with
    the person responsible for the installation though and verify
    this information.
    
267.2Update your doc set (see pointer in this file)BSYBEE::EGOLFJohn C. Egolf LKG2-2/T02 x226-7874Mon Aug 20 1990 23:4517
	Jim,

	I checked our system, and I've found:

	SYS$STARTUP:MCC_STARTUP_DIR.COM	   !For the Director
	SYS$STARTUP:MCC_STARTUP_BMS.COM	   !For Basic Mgt System
	SYS$STARTUP:MCC_STARTUP_BMS2.COM   !For V1.1 IFT update
	SYS$STARTUP:MCC_STARTUP_TCPIP.COM  !For the SNMP AM

	Note that  there  are  several, based upon the package you have
	and that the $ has been removed (we're porting to Ultrix).

	You *really* need the newer doc set, your March docs are out of
	date.

	Hope this helps,
								JCE
267.3ThanksGLORY::KATZFollow your conscienceTue Aug 21 1990 12:334
    Thanks for the information. I'll update my docs asap.
    
    
    			-Jim-
267.4Why are the files called what they are?CVMS::DOTENwhen great fat cadillacs roamed the earth...Sat Mar 09 1991 14:4726
I've just been playing with the MCCBMS V1.0 kit on the Feb. 91 AD ConDist.

Question: hasn't this product gone through SQM? If so, why are basic guidelines
long-established for products being followed. One irritating point that pops
out right in your face is that these files:

	MCC_STARTUP_DIR.COM
	MCC_STARTUP_BMS.COM
	MCC_STARTUP_TCPIP.COM

according to the SQM guidelines, should be called:

	MCC$DIR_STARTUP.COM
	MCC$BMS_STARTUP.COM
	MCC$TCPID_STARTUP.COM

Why are the files called what they are? And why isn't the standard "$" delmiter
being used? Ditto with the logical names: why "MCC_" as a prefix and not the
product standard of "MCC$"? And all the files in MCC_COMMON are prefixed with
"MCC_" and "MCC$". What's going on here?

This may sound like a small issue, and it certainly isn't the end of the world,
but what's wrong with a little consistency? Could these things be fixed for the
next release?

-Glenn-
267.5TOOK::SWISTJim Swist LKG2-2/T2 DTN 226-7102Sun Mar 10 1991 12:125
    SQM dropped the requirement for $ in component prefixes for those
    products which ship on multiple platforms.
    
    The mcc_ is correct.
    
267.6Who needs guidelines?CVMS::DOTENwhen great fat cadillacs roamed the earth...Sun Mar 10 1991 13:0914
That doesn't make any sense, but I'll check in to it...

So what't the excuse for the name of the startup files? Or does SQM no longer
have any guidelines for those? Or will Ultrix not allow MCC_BMS_STARTUP but only
MCC_STARTUP_BMS? Actually, why would you even have a .COM file on Ultrix?

This isn't directly related to MCC: these different platforms sure are shooting
the heck out of any consistency we had under VMS before. Everyone who goes to
a non-VMS system re-invents everything. We're back to pre-VMS days of RSTS and
RSX where each utility decided on it's own what to call things, what sort of
standards to use, and how to parse their command lines. It's pretty sad
actually... (I know, wrong conference.)

-Glenn-