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Conference vaxaxp::vmsnotes

Title:	VAX and Alpha VMS
Notice:	This is a new VMSnotes, please read note 2.1
Moderator:	VAXAXP::BERNARDO

Created:	Thu Jan 23 1997
Last Modified:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	703
Total number of notes:	3722

104.0. "RSTS BACKUP READABLE USING VMS?" by SHOGUN::SKOWYRA () Wed Jan 29 1997 11:48

    I customer you has numerous 9 track backup tapes written using RSTS
    backup utility. The customer deinstalled his RSTS machine and now is in
    need of the data off those tapes. Is there a utility on VMS that I
    could use to extract the data and have it readable on a vax?
    
    
                                     Thanks..John S

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
104.1	DECUS	XDELTA::HOFFMAN	Steve, OpenVMS Engineering	`Wed Jan 29 1997 13:05`	3
	Check around in the DECUS libraries.
104.2	What backup?	STAR::EVERHART		`Wed Jan 29 1997 13:56`	4
	Which RSTS backup? The last of them claimed to use VMS Backup format on tape. Some older ones might do anything. What do the tapes look like and how old are they?
104.3	Just restore it on OpenVMS	STAR::65302::DMILLER	This bug fix broke what???????	`Wed Jan 29 1997 16:17`	6
	RSTS/E BACKUP is a VMS-Compatible format. Older versions of RSTS/E used SAVRES, not BACKUP, so if the tape truly is a BACKUP tape, then OpenVMS can read it without a problem. -Dave (Former RSTS/E Developer)
104.4		AUSS::GARSON	DECcharity Program Office	`Wed Jan 29 1997 20:55`	5
	re .3 > RSTS/E BACKUP is a VMS-Compatible format. Cool!
104.5	rsts-vms	SHOGUN::SKOWYRA		`Thu Jan 30 1997 10:32`	4
	Hoow would I go about reading the tape? I tried using VMS backup commands witthout any success.?? Thanks.. John S
104.6	Mount/for mua0:, then dump mua0:	POMPY::LESLIE	andy@reboot.demon.co.uk	`Thu Jan 30 1997 10:54`	4
	Do a dump of the first few blocks and post it here so that the format can be seen here. /a
104.7	RSTS to VMS	SHOGUN::SKOWYRA		`Thu Jan 30 1997 11:55`	60
	ump of device $1$MUA6: on 30-JAN-1997 08:56:12.54 Here are the first few blocs...Thanks in advance Block number 1 (00000001), 84 (0054) bytes 00000000 40060100 13011A53 02572020 33455554 30313233 34355055 4B434142 BACKUP543210TUE3 W.S......@.... 000000 13011A53 02572020 33455554 30313233 34355055 4B434142 FFFF0000 00000000 ........BACKUP543210TUE3 W.S... 000020 01000100 FFFF0000 00000000 00000000 40060100 ...@............................ 000040 Dump of device $1$MUA6: on 30-JAN-1997 08:56:12.54 Block number 2 (00000002), 84 (0054) bytes 00000000 40060100 13011A53 02572020 33455554 30313233 34355055 4B434142 BACKUP543210TUE3 W.S......@.... 000000 13011A53 02572020 33455554 30313233 34355055 4B434142 FFFF0000 00000000 ........BACKUP543210TUE3 W.S... 000020 01000200 FFFF0000 00000000 00000000 40060100 ...@............................ 000040 Dump of device $1$MUA6: on 30-JAN-1997 08:56:12.54 Block number 3 (00000003), 84 (0054) bytes 00000000 40060100 13011A53 02572020 33455554 30313233 34355055 4B434142 BACKUP543210TUE3 W.S......@.... 000000 Press RETURN to continue Dump of device $1$MUA6: on 30-JAN-1997 08:56:12.54 Block number 4 (00000004), 84 (0054) bytes 00000000 40060100 13011A53 02572020 33455554 30313233 34355055 4B434142 BACKUP543210TUE3 W.S......@.... 000000 13011A53 02572020 33455554 30313233 34355055 4B434142 FFFF0000 00000000 ........BACKUP543210TUE3 W.S... 000020 01000400 FFFF0000 00000000 00000000 40060100 ...@............................ 000040 Dump of device $1$MUA6: on 30-JAN-1997 08:56:12.54 Block number 5 (00000005), 84 (0054) bytes 00000000 40060100 13011A53 02572020 33455554 30313233 34355055 4B434142 BACKUP543210TUE3 W.S......@.... 000000 13011A53 02572020 33455554 30313233 34355055 4B434142 FFFF0000 00000000 ........BACKUP543210TUE3 W.S... 000020 01000500 FFFF0000 00000000 00000000 40060100 ...@............................ 000040 Dump of device $1$MUA6: on 30-JAN-1997 08:56:12.54
104.8	There was a BACKUp prior to V9	OSEC::GRAHAM	Graham Smith, Solution Support Group	`Mon Feb 03 1997 11:11`	10
	RE: .3 From the depths of my memory :- There was a program called BACKUP on RSTS/E prior to version 9 that was different to the program called BACKUP on V9 onwards. The pre-V9 version wrote tapes in a completely different format. Graham
104.9	SAVRES wrote DOS tapes, don't remember what RMSBCK wrote.	STAR::65302::DMILLER	This bug fix broke what???????	`Mon Feb 03 1997 16:19`	16
	> There was a program called BACKUP on RSTS/E prior to version 9 Not as released by RSTS/E Engineering - At least as far I recall. RMSBCK was a program supplied by RMS to save and restore files with RMS-11 attributes. SAVRES was the program supplied by RSTS/E to do full saves and restores of disk volumes. I suppose there may have been 3rd party products called BACKUP. Is the tape in DOS or ANSI format? Perhaps a dump of the tape with it mounted /FOREIGN can help determine the content. -Dave
104.10		POMPY::LESLIE	andy@reboot.demon.co.uk as of Feb 14	`Tue Feb 04 1997 05:30`	6
	Dave see .7 for a dump /a
104.11	It looks like it is indeed from an older incarnation of BACKUP	STAR::65302::DMILLER	This bug fix broke what???????	`Tue Feb 04 1997 17:13`	23
	I was reminded by another engineer that RSTS/E did indeed have another program called BACKUP prior to V9.0. I joined the group during V9.0 development and never had to deal with the old BACKUP. (Keeping skeletons in the closet where they belong). It is indeed possible that this is an old BACKUP tape, and that it might not be possible to get the data off without a RSTS/E system or the sources to figure out the contents of the tape. (And the sources would be a collection of BASIC-PLUS programs that CHAINed to each other all over the place to get the work done.) > see .7 for a dump Yes, but how was of the tape mounted when this dump was taken? If the tape was taken? Is this a dump of the first file on the tape, or a physical dump of a tape mounted /FOREIGN? Actuallly... In either case, it doesn't look like a ANSI-labelled VMS-compatible BACKUP set. ANSI labels are 80-bytes long, and records within a saveset should be much larger. -Dave
104.12	Just how important is this?	STAR::65302::DMILLER	This bug fix broke what???????	`Tue Feb 04 1997 19:37`	6
	> or the sources to figure out the contents of the tape. If really needed, I know someone who still has access to all the RSTS/E source code. -Dave
104.13		SHOGUN::SKOWYRA		`Mon Feb 10 1997 14:20`	5
	Well the customer is really in need of the data. I have checked around and there are'nt to many rsts systems kicking around....If I could have acess to the source that woudl be helpful...Thanks for your response. P.S Im no programmer...John S
104.14		POMPY::LESLIE	Andy Leslie, DEC man walking...	`Tue Feb 11 1997 09:12`	8
	Have your local CSC RSTS support folk lookit. It may cost money but this isn't a VMS-compatible backup, so if your customer really needs the data he'll really have to pay. /a PS Take a copy of the tape! (TAPECOPY and other phiscial copy programs are knocking around the net)