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Conference utrop1::linkworks_v3

Title:LinkWorks V3.0 Notes Conference
Notice:LNX_APO = APO issues, LINKWORKS_V3 = V3.0 issues
Moderator:tacklr.apd.dec.com::TACK_Lm::TACK_L
Created:Tue Jun 28 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2269
Total number of notes:8338

2188.0. "Customer migrating to Office97 - some questions" by OSL09::BJARNE (endless loop (n). See LOOP, ENDLESS.) Tue Apr 08 1997 15:28

    Hi!
    
    I have a customer that has decided to leave WordPerfect and Lotus
    1-2-3, and go to the Office97 suite of office products. They have some
    questions, and probably some need for help.
    
    Thank you very much for any input!
    
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    1. We want to integrate the Office97 products as tools in LinkWorks.
    
    2. We want the Office97 programs set up such that no local copies
       of the objects are created on the client.
    
    3. Can Outlook97 be integrated with LinkWorks?
    
    4. It should be possible to run Office97 both locally and from a
    server.
    
    5. If we create new object classes for documents, spreadsheets etc.,
       is it possible to "move" an object from the old object class to the
       new one, one by one? This would make it possible to run in
       "parallel" with both tools (for instance Lotus 1-2-3 and Excel97) and
       selectively bring the objects over to Office97.
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    RE 5. Anyway, has any of you integrated a "convert on the fly" application
    with LinkWorks? What they want is to
    	- read a WordPerfect document
    	- decide to convert it to Word97
    	- convert it / ChangeClass
    	- next time they read it, they read a Word97 document
    
    With regards,
    
    Bjarne
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2188.1No Problems !QCAV01::RAVISHANKARNoExplainationsAreNecessary!!Wed Apr 09 1997 13:2434
    Hi Bjarne,
    
    >>	1. We want to integrate the Office97 products as tools in LinkWorks.
    	MS Office tools are already integrated with LinkWorks. To integrate
    Office 97 just the new Master Document Formats for the OFFICE 97
    products have to be put to LinkWorks and made as defaults.
    
    >>	2. We want the Office97 programs set up such that no local copies
    >>   of the objects are created on the client.
    	OLE ILockBytes is enabled so this functioanlity is available OOTB
    
    >>	4. It should be possible to run Office97 both locally and from a
    >> server.
    	Depends on the Office setup for the client. But YES !
    
    >>5. If we create new object classes for documents, spreadsheets etc.,
    >>   is it possible to "move" an object from the old object class to the
    >>   new one, one by one? This would make it possible to run in
    >>   "parallel" with both tools (for instance Lotus 1-2-3 and Excel97) and
    >>   selectively bring the objects over to Office97.
    	For every user the tool can be specified. By Default all these
    tools are associated with the object classes. So if a user has his/her
    tool setup as Word and they click on a Document object which was
    created using Word Perfect then on load office will request a
    conversion (this is a functiality of Word). If they make changes to the
    document then on exit they will be asked if they want to convert it to
    Word format. This conversion does not mean a change in the object class
    of the object. So the user has an option to save it as a Word Perfect
    document or as a Word Document.
    
    Hope this helps
    
    Ravi
    
2188.2elec5.uto.dec.com::maandag_jWed Apr 09 1997 15:1715
Bjarne,

Regarding the integration of Outlook, how exactly do you want to see that integrated?
The mail part will be integrated the same way as the Exchange client mail integration.

In principle that means that you can send LinkWorks objects through Exchange and transfer
messages from the Exchange inbox on the client to LNX.
In version 3.2 drag and drop is fully supported as well between LNX and an open 
Exchange/Outlook message.

Outlook is more then mail though. It has a Desk metaphore as well. I don't see ways
to integrate that with the Desk of LinkWorks.

Regards,
Jos
2188.3Something tried, but more questions from customerOSL09::BJARNEendless loop (n). See LOOP, ENDLESS.Thu Apr 10 1997 12:0741
Thank you both for swift feedback! Here is some more input, directly from
the customer. 

More help very welcome.

- Bjarne

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1  Regarding Outlook integration I'm not quite sure myself, but I believe I
   am thinking about the mail client!

2  I did as mentioned and used the already defined (Intel-NT) tools 
   in LinkWorks for MS-Excel and Word7.0 and changed the master documents.
   (And path variable on NT as the tool are defined without a directory.
   I can then see the option for running both on the server or locally
   by just changing the path and keep the tools as they are)

   It does work, but there is some strange behavior:
   In particular saving is confusing: Say you are editing and object
   called test. When you want to save you have the options to
   use the "diskette" (save) ikon on the menu-bar or select "File-update"
   or "File -Close and return to LinkWorks 'test'". The last option is
   confusing for the users. They are already "in" LinkWorks test.
   Whatever I do I always get the LinkWorks message afterwards: 
   Save "object-type" test? Still more confusing as it may have been saved
   through various options "inside" the tool several times already.
   Adding to that "Close and return...." also exits Excel,but Word stays open.
   This is not a good.

3. When I use the MS-products as tools I cannot open any of the old objects 
   created in WP and Lotus. Excel (as an example) says it cannot start, because 
   it is looing for the old document in the 'temp' directory. Creating a new 
   object works (with the limitations mentioned in point 2).

4. The point I wanted to make was that for a (hopefully short!) period 
   a user should have both tools for the same object available. 
   (Or "move" an object to another object class if neccesary , 
   but I do not really want to create too many object classes.)
   Say you have an old document created in WP that tourns out horrible
   in Word. The user have no time to go through the "clean up" in Word.
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2188.4UpdateOSL09::BJARNEendless loop (n). See LOOP, ENDLESS.Thu Apr 10 1997 16:169
    The last lines were somewhat cut, here is the correct ones:
    
    >>   Say you have an old document created in WP that tourns out horrible
    >>   in Word. The user have no time to go through the "clean up" in Word,
    >>   but may go back to WP, for that document only, to get the job done.
    
    Any ideas of how we can support two tool types, in a parallel way?
    
    - Bjarne
2188.5slightly roundabout way !QCAV02::RAVISHANKARNoExplainationsAreNecessary!!Mon Apr 14 1997 10:5813
    
    Bjarne,
    
    	What your customer could do is derive the appropriate class from
    the predefined LinkWorks Class and assign the other tool. Eg: Inherit
    from Document a class called 'Document2' or something. For Document2
    class assign the tool as Word. That way if the user creates a document
    of class Document then they'll open Word Perfect but if they use
    Document2 then the'll use Word97. In this scenario if they want to
    convert documents then they'll have to export them convert them and
    then import them as object in the new class.
    
    Ravi.
2188.6TAV02::YAKIRYakir Lavie, ISRAEL DTN 882-3327Tue Apr 15 1997 16:3512
>    Document2 then the'll use Word97. In this scenario if they want to
>    convert documents then they'll have to export them convert them and
>    then import them as object in the new class.
>    

 
   or else use the ChangeObjectClass() method to switch (back and forth)
between the old and new classes - easy to do with a button/menu option.

Yakir