Conference 501clb::pcdoom

    
    Ok,
    I think I'm missing the point in this one.  I've got dead bodies all
    around me to the point where the playability is severly hampered.  I've
    flicked switch on head of helmeted skull at top step, and ridden the 
    raising platform in bottom area.  Can't seem to jump to ledge below
    fiend spitting baddies.  Notice the cubes the fiend hurls out once in
    while.   Any pointers appreciated.  
    
    Mike
    
    

Ed,

IDDQD IDKFA

M@

    
    Hmm,
       Why do I think that they already know the cheats, might be something
    about reaching this level...  idclev per chance ??
    
    -John.

I was being sarcastic.

Sorry, won't bother anymore.

    
    im 2/3rds of the way there on ultra-violence without cheats of any kind
    and could be at 30 by now if i had spent more time, so it's POSSIBLE...
    

I've had a good few go's at this level and haven't managed to finish.
I've pressed the scull at the top of the stairs, got onto the platform
and jumped onto the platform that spits out baddies and that's it. I've 
tried giving myself full ammo (a number of times) and used idbeholdv but
still either end up dead or out of ammo.I suppose I could use idclip but 
that really would be cheating! Anyone managed to finish without resorting
to using cheats?

doesn't seem to me to be an end....  just ENDLESS appearances of
bad guys, all of the bad guys are here....  Been there a few times,
never figured out what makes the last level tick...

maybe it's an attribute of,, Beta-test!!!!!!  We all know the
answer to finding out....  BUY THE KIT OCTOVER 10th!!


:)

    This level is plain daft..... but it can be done.
    
    :-) Keeping schtumm
    
    SPOILER ALERT:
    
    Oh alright. Stand on top of the pedastal and shoot everything ya got
    into that nasty blighter. But I think on some levels you may run out of
    ammo, and then it might be a case of IDKFA.....
                  

Re -1

I've stood on top of the pedestal and given the spitting
demon loadsagreif with my bfg9000 for 10 minutes or so (using 
idkfa to get more ammo) AND STILL  haven't gotten anywhere. I even
resorted to using idclip to get in the corridor behind the 
spitting SOB expecting to find a switch but there ain't one(but
there is some blokes head on a stick). I also tried using all my 
ammo incase that caused anything to happen but no joy!

I need a spoiler. Heeeeeeelllllllllllllpppppppppppp

    Yeah I know. You have to cheat as far as I know, I don't know anyone
    who's managed to do it without running out of ammo. You can do it by
    jut shooting at the head, but it takes one help of a load of ammo....
    shoot at the open bit where the brain is, y'know, the skin's pulled
    back to reveal the innards (hyyukk).
    
    Or else, if you want to REALLY cheat, turn clipping off, walk to that
    head on a stick in the hidden corridor, and shoot THAT. You will finish
    the game very quickly then.
    
    I think maybe the idea was NOT to finish.

    Oh, P.S. I think you might have to use ROCKETS (judging by the final
    message you get when you complete the level).
    
    P.S. On which levels are the entrances to the secret levels #31 and #32
    ???

    
    Well, do you really want a spoiler? It can be done...
    
    
    >>> Warning: Spoiler for the Icon of Sin <<<
    
    
    
    
         What you do is... Pull out the rocket launcher, as you travel up
            the pedestal shoot into the hole which ejects the cubes.
    
         You don't actually hit the head inside, but the explosive
            damage will eventually do it in.
    
         This is extremely difficult to do, but can be done...
    
                                                          Bye,
                                                           Mike.

    Yes, rocket launcher explosions have an 'area' effect so the closer to
    the target the missile actually explodes, the more damage it will do.
    Obviously by shooting THROUGH the window you can inflict a lot more
    damage, and use a lot less rockets at the same time.
    
    This would explain why most people run out of ammo just shooting at the
    top, but eventually it will have an effect (or at least I seem to
    remember it did).

    I did it, I completed DOOM II.  Would have taken me a lot less time if
    I'd had the free time, but I've done it :-).  It took me a while to
    work out that you had to shoot before the pillar got to the top, but it
    only took about 2 or 3 rockets.  before I was using 100 rockets, all my
    BFG9000 rounds and all my chain gun rounds etc etc...
    
    Now to try on a harder level (tho not Nightmare :-))
    
    Mark

Some folks may have noticed a backwards playing recorded message in this
level.  Apparently it is saying something to the effect of "To beat Doom 2 you
must kill me, John Romero."

(hint)


The strange head on the stick is supposed to be a scan of a picture of John
Romero.  But this must of course be qualified (in the Id tradition) with ....
"but then again, I could be lying."

:-)

- jeff

    Hmmm.... I know a way to reverse this sample if I can get it out of
    Doom 2....
    
    does DMAUD work on Doom 2, and if so, which sound number will I be
    wanting to extract ? Any ideas, anyone?

RE: .12

>    P.S. On which levels are the entrances to the secret levels #31 and #32
>    ???

[SPOILER ALERT]

15 and 31, respectively.

I almost busted a gut laughing...

    Hey guys this sample of John Romero talking backwards is weird!
    
    We got it last night....
    
    If you wanna listen it's on flyte :-
    	FLYTE::USER1:[ARCHIVE.DOOM.MISC]JOHNROME.ZIP
    
    Strange guy!

    It IS on there now.
    
    HTH.
    
    Ed

Well, I have at last got to the last level (I only get to play doom at the
weekend), but boy is this difficult? I have just read the spoiler and I am now
banging my head on the desk at my stupidity...

but can I confirm one thing...avert your eyes...



Am I right in thinking (now!) that you have to get to the top of the platforms,
flick the switch, then somehow run down onto the rising platform and blast
rockets into the hole-in-the wall ?

the worst thing is that I'll have to wait 'til friday to try again.

After that, it's time to start all over again on Ultra-Violent and try and get
100% baddies/items/secrets on every level !!

Jonathan
    

    I take it from the flood of replies that the answer is obviously :
    
    You are right !
    or
    You are wrong !
    or
    You are stupid (ie, just read Dan's reply a few back) !
    
    Well, it's friday tomorrow, which means I'll find out for myself soon
    enough.
    
    Jonathan$getting_withdrawal_symptons_due_to_lack_of_doomplay
    
    

Did I miss something?  I finally blew up the demon and there were lots
of explosions.  But the only way I got to see the head on a stick was
by IDCLIP and walking on in.  Was there meant to be a no-cheat access to
the inner hall?

P.S.  I liked the cast of characters at the end.

    No, if you want to see the head you have to cheat.
    
    Cheers,
    Dan

I gotta admit, I gave up trying to sink the three shots... I kept getting 
knocked around (and off) the platform while it's rising.  So I IDCLIP'd my 
way to Romero's head on a stick (and yes, shot it).

I think I'll go back and try some more...  So if I do land the rocket 
launcher shots into the brain, would that get me to Romero, or do you always
have to cheat?

RE: Romero talking backwards:

>    If you wanna listen it's on flyte :-
>    	FLYTE::USER1:[ARCHIVE.DOOM.MISC]JOHNROME.ZIP

I used the WAVE player in the SB16 to play this...  (I also reversed it 
again to hear the original version...)  But how did you get this sample
recorded?

Cheers,
Dan

    >>So if I do land the rocket launcher shots into the brain, would that get
    >>me to Romero, or do you always have to cheat?
    
    You always have to cheat to actually see him.
    
    >>But how did you get this sample recorded?
    
    At the time we just recorded it onto a tape :-). If you wanted a better
    quality one, a decent editor like DMAUD might be able to extract it. I
    think DoomEd 4.2 even does this, too.....
    
    Cheers,
    Dan

    I think the quickest way to land the 3 shots is by reducing the
    number of elavator trips; i.e. shoot one in on the way up, and
    shoot just as you jump off at the top.  With a little luck, you
    fall just enough as you fire to land another, and can minimize
    the number of necessary elavator trips to just two.

    
    Got here on Saturday. I read a warning that anything less that a DX66 
    will hamper performance. - Well that was true enough. I spent a fair
    while waiting for the game to free back up. There was so much going on
    it was untrue. Three times i got bombed out to dos because it couldn't
    allocate enough memory to some task or other.. Is the idea to throw the
    switch ride the elevator and land three rockets etc before it spits out
    too many cubes or do you need to wipe them all out before hand. (The
    latter of which I can't believe. I run out of ammo five times over in
    god mode before my system croaks.) I'll never get this far in HMP etc
    . she jus canne dooit cappen, Aye canne give unnymoor. 
    
    

    I think your best bet it to forget about wiping everything out, and get
    to work on the blighter quickly.
    
    You can get away without killing most things, but any projectile
    throwing monsters will need taking out because they knock you off the
    pedestal.
    
    Also, pinkies in the bottom pit area can be annoying. You're on top of
    the pillar, they're huddled around the bottom, and no thanks to DOOM's
    wonderful height detection (ie. sod all) they can bite and rip at you
    even though your feet above them!
    
    I don't think it's so much processor speed it requires on level 30 as
    much as memory too. Both help. But you're right, it's a monster of a
    level demands-wise. Wanna try it on 4 megs of DX33 then? X-( bluurrgh
    
    Cheers,
    Dan