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Conference tecrus::mormonism

Title:	The Glory of God is Intelligence.

Moderator:	BSS::RONEY

Created:	Thu Jan 28 1988
Last Modified:	Fri Apr 25 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	460
Total number of notes:	6198

196.0. "Movies not worth seeing" by MORGAN::OSSLER () Tue Jul 12 1988 14:15

The following is an exerpt from a note entered in the CHRISTIAN 
notesfile:

    Universal Pictures has reneged on its promise that its film THE
    LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST would not blaspheme Jesus Christ.  The
    book from which the movie script was adapted showed Jesus being
    tempted sexually by Mary Magdalene and others.  Universal has been
    telling Christian leaders for months that this film would exhibit
    the highest possible standards of decency and morality.  It now
    appears that Universal Pictures has been deceiving Christians, thinking
    that they could silence us until they released the movie Sept. 10,
    and then use any protest by the Christian community to promote the
    movie. A recently acquired copy of the script shows that the 
    movie is totally profane, blasphemous, and obscene.

The note goes on to describe in sickening detail some of the movie's 
script.

I raise this here because those who read this conference should be 
aware that there is a movie coming out shortly that purports to 
'exhibit decency and morality,' while it is alleged that the actual 
content is anything but.

If the movie gets an `R' rating, that will be a good clue to the 
general populace, and a plain signal to Mormons to steer clear. But 
you never know. The things that pass for `PG' these days are getting 
worse and worse.

/kevin

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
196.1	thanks!	MIZZOU::SHERMAN	incompetence knows no bounds	`Tue Jul 12 1988 15:23`	11
	Well, not only am I going to stay away from the movie (and previews when they rear their ugly trailers on TV), I'm going to stay away from the note in CHRISTIAN! I'm glad they posted it, and I'm also glad that I could be warned that 'sickening' details of the script were also contained in the note. I appreciate that someone has substantiated the claims with excerpts from the script, but I have absolutely no desire to have mental images that profane my Maker weaved into my mind. Thanks for posting this, and thanks to whoever posted the warning in CHRISTIAN! Steve
196.2		CACHE::LEIGH		`Tue Jul 12 1988 15:41`	3
	These mental images that Steve referred to do a lot more harm than we realize. Allen
196.3	"R- Rated Entertainment"	SLSTRN::RONDINA		`Mon Feb 18 1991 12:20`	33
	This topic is going to deal with something perhaps controversial. I would like to have a discussion of entertainment events (mostly movies) that would not be viewed by LDS because they may be rated "R", sacriligious, offensive, etc. Yet, I do know that some LDS go to these events. So I would like to hear from anyone who attends these kinds of shows, in the name of ART, and if they recommend them or not. For example, the Mapplethorpe exhibit. Did anyone see it? I did not, but I did see a book that contained many (not all) of his photos including the controversial ones. And yes, there are some that are pornographic. Yet there are others that are simply nude studies. Like female nudes, the Artist asks us to set aside our prurient natures and view his/her work as Art. After spending time in Europe and viewing countless nudes, in paintings and statues, generally speaking I do not view nudes, when done as Art, as a violation of a morality. Likewise with some movies. We are counselled not to see R movies. Yet has anyone encountered an R movie that was worth seeing for some reason. I saw Kiss of the Spiderwoman several times and consider it a great movie. The R rating is because of the political/social commentary it made. Someone I know who is close to Hollywood told me that when it was time to rate it, the committee (whoever they are) were in a quandry about it, because it was such an unusual theme. There are some PG and PG-13 movies that have highly offended me. Like Roger Rabbit, which I almost walked out of because of the suggestive sex, offensive language and obvious violence. Add Rainman and some scenes in Ghost to movies that I consider at the edge of my tolerance. So,folks, are there any R movies worth seeing. Or for that matter other entertainment that is Art. I would like to hear about it. Paul
196.4	Just a thought	SUOSW4::WILLOUGHBY	FRANKly speaking	`Mon Feb 18 1991 15:25`	46
	Good topic Paul, I enjoy going to the movies and try to go when something decent comes out. Unfortunately, these are times of famine when it comes to good movies. The only decent movie out now (I haven't seen it yet, but it is on my list) is Arielle (the new film out by Disney about a mermaid). I thought it would be humorous to see Arnold Schwarzenegger handle kids in Kindergarten Cop, but was disappointed. (Although, there were some classroom scenes that reminded me of my children or nursery). 8^) I think the advice is well founded about avoiding R-rated movies. Even the James Bond movies (corny as they may be) aren't worth seeing any more. I am planning on NOT having cable installed in our new apartment. (I'll have to give up on Streets of San Francisco, Mission Impossible, Flipper, FBI and 2 or 3 other oldies, but I'll live). The german TV programs generally are riddled with violence & sex (& I thought some of ours were bad). I think that Hollywood keeps trying to outdo itself. They keep doing things to extreme with the result that each new film is worse than the last one. The horror films of 20-30 years ago were pretty good (although some were ridiculous). The horror films now are designed for the most horror impact (shock effect or to be disgusting). The spy/thriller films now include sex or too much violence. (Is this a sign that I am getting older???) Even non-violent films like (Rainman) have offensive language & nudity. I don't want to live like a hermit, but I would rather not limit my entertainment choices to only watching Disney, the Muppets, or LDS movies/films. How about if we open up a note on films/events that are worthwhile to see. I think we should put worthwhile films/events in the note - not a list of movies NOT to see. (I never did like the idea of censorship). Just a thought. Best Regards, Frank
196.5		CACHE::LEIGH	Let your light shine	`Mon Feb 18 1991 17:39`	24
	Hi Frank, > I am planning on NOT having cable installed in our new apartment. > (I'll have to give up on Streets of San Francisco, Mission Impossible, > Flipper, FBI and 2 or 3 other oldies, but I'll live). I'm not sure what cable is like in Germany, but here in the USA, I went TO Cable in order to get decent programming. The only channels we watch are public Television, CSPAN (a news service that gives live coverage into Congress, various hearings, etc.), the Family Channel, the Disney Channel, and the various network news programs. The rest of it junk. The public Television stations, Family Channel and the network news programs are not cable broadcasts, while Disney and CSPAN are. Cable gives me better reception on the non-cable programs. I would like to subscribe to CNN, and some of the other cable offerings, but budget restrictions limit my to those I mentioned. Please be aware that the "other cable offerings" I mentioned are not HBO or the other movie channels. Cable has a lot of nice family things, but the monthly cost can get high if one takes many of them. One thing I like about Cable is that you can program the "box" to skip channels. I took Channel 27 (Worcester, MA) off the other day because the advertisements for the adult 900 phone numbers were pretty bad.