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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:*OLD* ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:IOSG::PYE
Created:Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4343
Total number of notes:18308

561.0. "ALL-IN-1 username displayed in group conferencing (GPC)" by WAYLND::HOWARD (Ben. It should do what people expect it to do) Thu Apr 23 1992 20:52

    I have a large customer who says that she went to a GPC presentation at
    DECUS and was told that by installing GPC properly, she could get
    ALL-IN-1 user names displayed instead of NODE::VMSUSERNAME that we all
    know and love.  The problem is that they use their badge numbers for
    usernames in VMS, and don't like this information listed everywhere,
    including group conferencing. She also says that she *saw* this demoed
    at DECUS.  She now wants us to re-install it and fix the problem.
    
    I've installed GPC a few times, including for V3.0, and have never seen
    anything that would allow this.  I even sat in on a meeting between
    some engineers and this customer, and heard that it might be a nice
    future.  Can anybody own up to spreading this rumor or tell me how to
    do it for them? ;-)  I don't see anything in the conferences or in any
    of the documentation.
    
    They don't use the TPU interface at all, but will be using the DOS
    client at some point.
    
    I've thought about modifying the display forms in the GPC interface,
    but that sounds really complex, particularly if they start using remote
    conferences.  We could use the personal name as well, but they might
    want to use that for other things.
    
    Anybody else attend this session at a recent DECUS?
    
    Ben
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561.1TOTAL_UNSEENWAYLND::HOWARDBen. It should do what people expect it to doThu Apr 23 1992 21:3916
I have also noticed that the TOTAL_UNSEEN field seems to be broken in 
V2.4, but fixed in V3.0 (previous "SSB" version PBL122D).  I have a 
conference called "A1".  When I use:

<GET OAN$ENTRY.TOTAL_UNSEEN["A1"]

it displays 0, even though the number in the TPU interface is in the 
hundreds.  I used the undocumented UC option to try to force this, to 
no avail.  But under V3 it seems to work.

Anybody confirm this?  The customer also claims someone told her that 
she would have something like "(12 unseen notes)" on the menu.  I 
think somebody just meant that a field could be added to the selection 
block, since people sometimes follow more than one conference. ;-)

Ben
561.2Never heard of this oneSIOG::T_REDMONDThoughts of an Idle MindFri Apr 24 1992 15:1915
    I have given several GPC presentations at U.S. DECUS, and have sat in
    at John Rhoton's presentation at the last U.S. Fall DECUS. I have also
    listened to Maria Weisnicht (customer) talking about GPC at a session,
    and have attended the GPC working group a number of times. I can't
    recall ever hearing someone say "if you install GPC right you'll be
    able to see ALL-IN-1 usernames instead of node::user".
    
    Over 80 GPC bugs were fixed for V3.0. Unseen counts were on that list.
    
    Adding a count of unseen notes to the menu seems like a nice
    customization to me.  Lots of these have been discussed at DECUS GPC
    sessions, formal or informal (campground). We tried to listen to
    customers and included several favourite customizations in V3.0.
    
    Tony
561.3Customize GPCSHALOT::GEERDESFri Apr 24 1992 23:527
You could defenitly customize ALL-IN-1 to not show the batchnumber, thats
should be a piece of cake, instead you could use one of the USER fields to
store the ALL-IN-1 username and display that instead. (John Rhoton, I think
the user fields are available from the API right?).
But I doubt you could do the same thing with the DOS client...

	Ben
561.4and btw,SHALOT::GEERDESFri Apr 24 1992 23:535
You are using the local interface to access remote conferences, so I dont 
understand what the impact of these customizations would be on remote conferences
other than it should just work,

	Ben
561.5No great way to do thisWAYLND::HOWARDBen. It should do what people expect it to doSat Apr 25 1992 00:2120
    RE:.4
    
>You are using the local interface to access remote conferences, so I dont 
>understand what the impact of these customizations would be on remote conferences
>other than it should just work,
    
    Actually, I was thinking that if the ALL-IN-1 username were not stored
    in the note, I could pull it out of the ALL-IN-1 profile.  This will
    work if the noters are all local as they are now.  But if a user from
    another node writes a note, that person won't be in the profile.  The
    DOS users would still see the "semi-confidential" username/badge
    number.  (The badge number is confidential in the same sense as ours
    are; you can get someone's badge number if you need it, but they don't
    want it to be readily available.)
    
    I'm not sure where the customer got this idea, nor do I understand how
    they ever decided to make their usernames confidential, since the
    system is designed for the information to be public.
    
    Ben
561.6SEWNSO::PEACOCKBack in the saddle againThu May 14 1992 22:561
If this were able to be done, how would a send/author work?
561.7ANGLIN::HARRISits seemed like the right thing to doWed Jan 13 1993 23:5112
    hi,
    
    customer has ALL-IN-1 2.4 patched to K603
    		 VMS 5.5
    
    when using INDEX of notes of a conference, the AUTHOR field is listed
    as the VMS address (node::login_id).  Of course, the customer wants the
    ALL-IN-1 name listed here.  
    
    has anyone done this yet?
    
    	ann
561.8Cannot be done reliablySCOTTC::MARSHALLIt's raining againThu Jan 14 1993 15:5218
    >> has anyone done this yet
    
    Not that I know of.  It would be very hard to do reliably.  Remember
    that GPC is just a front-end for NOTES, and all NOTES knows about are
    VMS usernames.  So to get the ALL-IN-1 username, GPC would have to do a
    reverse-lookup on the profile every time you access the note.
    
    This would only work for the local node.  ALL-IN-1 usernames are node
    (or cluster) specific, so for a note entered from a different node,
    there is no way ALL-IN-1 could "reverse lookup" to get
    the author's ALL-IN-1 username.  Indeed, the author may not even have an
    ALL-IN-1 account.  Also, as VMS usernames and ALL-IN-1 usernames are
    not permanently tied together, as users are renamed, created, deleted,
    etc, you could end up with the wrong name being returned for a note
    author, or no name at all!
    
    Scott