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Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

Title:DECWINDOWS 26-JAN-89 to 29-NOV-90
Notice:See 1639.0 for VMS V5.3 kit; 2043.0 for 5.4 IFT kit
Moderator:STAR::VATNE
Created:Mon Oct 30 1989
Last Modified:Mon Dec 31 1990
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3726
Total number of notes:19516

162.0. "Problem to install DECwindow on VS2000/RD54" by ISGVAX::YUAN (Vivian) Wed Feb 08 1989 23:39

    I'm installing DECwindow 5.1 to replace VWS V4.0 on my VS2000 system 
    with a RD54 disk.  What I did is to upgrde my system to V5.1, install 
    DECwindow (no error during the installation), switch the sysgen 
    parameter Window_system to 1, @decw$startup.com in the systartup_v5, 
    then reboot my system.  Everything seems O.K. but finally I got job 
    terminate and never get a Digital logo on my screen.  
    
    I checked the log file and find the parameter DECW$DEVICE always
    equal "NONE", could it be the problem?  I suspect it should be "VS2000".
    (of course the CPU type = 8, and XCPU type = 4 while I type manually.)
    BTW, the disk space is well enough, also I'm only planning to be
    a user of DECwindow, what I did is a partial installation, not including 
    anything to use DECwindow device or to develop application program.
    
    It seems no one got this problem yet, I hope this question is not
    too dumb.  Anyone enlighten me on this? 

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162.1WS device supportTHAV07::MORITAKoichi Morita, SWS TokyoThu Feb 09 1989 01:368
>    a user of DECwindow, what I did is a partial installation, not including 
>    anything to use DECwindow device or to develop application program.
    
   It seems that you need to install workstation device support portion
   of DECwindows kit.  
   
   Morita

162.2still confusedISGVAX::YUANVivianThu Feb 09 1989 12:197
    If I remember correctly, during the installation I was told it's not 
    a must to include DECwindow device support if I only plan to be a user.
    (that means another 3300 blocks!)  I thought about I'm using
    workstation, but that message shouldn't appear because DECwindow is 
    supposed to be designed for workstation.  Am I right? 

162.3difference between client and userIAGO::SCHOELLERWho's on first?Thu Feb 09 1989 12:5212
Vivian,

You misunderstood the difference between client and user.  You can skip
the device support if this is a client only machine (not a workstation).
Without device support, you must display across the net to a workstation
with device support.

The user part of the kit is the OOTB applications.  You can skip those if
you are going to run them remotely to display here.

Dick

162.4You're more fortunate than manyTEASE::WEAVERFri Feb 10 1989 03:3544
Vivian,

Don't get me wrong... but an Rd54 has a wealth of space for DECWindows
and even given the mandatory 3300 blocks you need for the server
component, you should'nt worry about any aspect of disk space (assuming
that you can get beyond the first save set) requirements. In addition I
have the DECWINDOWS documentation, DECWrite, VWS and info installed on
my system disk (along with a wealthy page and swapfile), and have around
15000 blocks free. Finally the installation kit checks for the blocks as
you are answering questions as to what the requirement is for free
space. One of the other notes in this conference indicates that there
are less fortuate folks who have accomplished the trick on rd53s
(including vms no less), so 3300 blocks should be NO SWEAT.

I feel incredibly lucky to have an rd54, and the first time I go looking
for extra disk space (more than 3300 blocks) I'll go looking for the
language dependent linkage libraries in sys$library, like *.pli,*.bas,
etc...

Just as a rule of thumb when installing layered products which have
programming interfaces... There is typically a question which relates to
language dependant linkage libraries, and if you answer that you do not
desire to install all support; it will prompt you for each language
desired. If you are scrupulous about disk space this is the safest place
to trim at installation time (and possibly the most significant
savings).

Bottom line : if you have to be conservative at installation time I
would recommend you always do so at the possible expense of development
support (language dependent), and never for other components unless you
understand what you will lose in the process. DECWindows even installed
from disk on a 3500 is one of the most lengthy installations I've ever
been exposed to, so this particular problem will be a costly one for you
(in addition you will be without a windowing envirionment) as far as
time is concerned.


 Hope this saves the time of reinstallations in the future.


	regards,

		mdw

162.5ISGVAX::YUANVivianFri Feb 10 1989 12:414
    Thank you for all your replies.  The real problem was, I was goofing
    around during the installation that I missed some information shown
    on the screen.  Anyway, DECwindow is up running on my system now!