| T.R | Title | User | Personal
Name | Date | Lines |
|---|
| 1443.1 | An alternative | EZWIND::LEVY | Watch Out! You might get what you're after. | Tue Sep 19 1989 13:19 | 29 |
| Let me suggest an alternative to a "live" instructor.
Ed Services has put together a couple of EXCELLENT Computer Based Instruction
courses on DECwindows and FileView. These are user-level courses that take the
individual from never having used a mouse to some reasonable level of
proficiency in the environment.
The courses are:
Introduction to DECwindows Systems for VMS Systems
EY-8273E-RC-0001
and
Introduction to VMS DECwindows: FileView and Its Desktop Applications
EY-A888E-AG-0001
The advantages of these courses are that users can take them at their own pace,
they use DECwindows to teach DECwindows, the "instructor" never leaves...the
course is always available if folks need a refresher.
I'd strongly suggest that you try this avenue first. I've had success with the
first course at my site and am planning on installing the second one today.
If you want to contact me about these, feel free. You could even come on over
to Westboro to check 'em out...not too far from Shrewsbury.
- Dave
|
| 1443.2 | | STAR::MFOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Tue Sep 19 1989 14:33 | 8 |
|
Why doesn't Ed Services make these kits available over the net?
I'd love to install them on the cluster for DECUS in Anaheim. The
customers would eat this up.
mike
|
| 1443.3 | Revenue | EZWIND::LEVY | Watch Out! You might get what you're after. | Tue Sep 19 1989 15:03 | 11 |
|
I asked the same question at a recent meeting. I was given to understand that
the reason had to do with Ed. Services wanting revenue for the courses that they
developed.
BTW - Be careful if you're installing these and your system is not at a
"released" version of VMS. I had to modify KITINSTAL.COM to get it
to install on my X5.3-461 system.
- Dave
|
| 1443.4 | | STAR::MFOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Tue Sep 19 1989 16:40 | 12 |
|
Sigh.. You'd think they'd have a clue that if it was available
to alot of internal people, more external people would want to buy it..
Now I have to go order the thing.. Hope it works with 5.3 and DW V2.
RE: modifying kitinstals.. That's almost a regular occurance for
us system managers up here in the land of a new baselevel a week.
Thanks,
mike
|
| 1443.5 | | EZWIND::LEVY | Watch Out! You might get what you're after. | Tue Sep 19 1989 19:20 | 16 |
| They work ok with VMS V5.3 and DECwindows V2.
The only gotcha is that the demonstrations are all done using pictures of
DECwindows V1.
When you get to practice, however, you use the "live" system. The only problem
is that the user must understand that things will look slightly different in
the "live" system than in the demonstrations. Could be confusing for extremely
naive users.
I haven't tried everything in the FileView CBI yet, but things seem ok. When
you select "practice", the CBI puts up a window for instructions and informs
you that you must start the application that you want to practice.
- Dave
|
| 1443.6 | programmer's course? | HGOVC::KENBERKUN | People that melt | Wed Sep 20 1989 06:39 | 5 |
| I don't supposed they have a DECwindows programming self-paced course
available as well?
ken b.
|
| 1443.7 | Yep | EZWIND::LEVY | Watch Out! You might get what you're after. | Wed Sep 20 1989 12:18 | 20 |
|
RE: .6
> I don't supposed they have a DECwindows programming self-paced course
> available as well?
Yes! I haven't opened it up (doesn't belong to my group), but the relevant
information is:
"Programming X Version 11 in the DECwindows Environment"
Self-Paced Instruction
EY-C165E-MA-0001
This one appears to be Self-Paced. Not Computer-Based.
If someone checks this out, please post your critique here!
- Dave_who's_not_part_of_Ed_Services_but_is_beginning_to_feel_
like_a_course_catalogue
|
| 1443.8 | | JOKUR::BOICE | When in doubt, do it. | Wed Sep 20 1989 16:02 | 10 |
| I can recommend Jeff Strait of the Marlboro, MA, ISWS Group. He
presented a three-hour session here in Standards and Methods Control,
which got us all up to speed quickly. Some people just learn better
with a demo and lots of time for questions and answers.
- Jim
Common Name: JEFF STRAIT
Generation: JR DTN: 262-8251 Intrnl Mail Addr: IND-3/C4 Node: STP
|
| 1443.9 | A reply from Ed Services | CECV03::SADLER | Ask a glass of water! | Fri Sep 22 1989 20:51 | 34 |
| Re: .2
> Why doesn't Ed Services make these kits available over the net?
We don't make them available over the net for legal/licencing reasons.
The problem is that although these are software, up to now they
have not been licenced in the same way that most DEC software is
and there are some significant intellectual property protection
risks especially when dealing with an multi-national network. We
are working on LMF compliance for them and things may change in
the future.
> I'd love to install them on the cluster for DECUS in Anaheim. The
> customers would eat this up.
We will be showing these at DECUS but I'd also love to get them
on the cluster. Mike, I'll call you to set this up.
Re: .3
>I asked the same question at a recent meeting. I was given to understand that
>the reason had to do with Ed. Services wanting revenue for the courses
>that they developed.
The internal transfer expense relief (50% of list) that we get is not
the reason for charging, it is meant to offset the manufacturing,
admin, and shipping costs.
- Andy_who_IS_part_of_Ed_Services_and_who_is_accustomed_to_feeling_
like_a_course_catalogue
|
| 1443.10 | | STAR::MFOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Sat Sep 23 1989 16:33 | 11 |
| > We will be showing these at DECUS but I'd also love to get them
> on the cluster. Mike, I'll call you to set this up.
This I REALLY appreciate! The CBI will now be a selection off of
ALL the session manager menus that the customers will have at
Anaheim. I believe that alot of customers will like this ALOT
based on what I saw in Atlanta.
mike
|