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Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

Title:DECWINDOWS 26-JAN-89 to 29-NOV-90
Notice:See 1639.0 for VMS V5.3 kit; 2043.0 for 5.4 IFT kit
Moderator:STAR::VATNE
Created:Mon Oct 30 1989
Last Modified:Mon Dec 31 1990
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3726
Total number of notes:19516

441.0. "New user, PAUSE screen problem" by CHUNK::HENNESSY () Mon Mar 20 1989 19:14

    
    
    	Our group has been using DECWINDOWS for about 2 weeks,
    
    	I tried a new user dumb thing, and typed a bunch of garbage
    	at the PAUSE screen, session manager.
    
    	This appears to lock the interface. Clicking on clear, entering
    	the correct password does not get me back in to my existing
    	session(s). This is repeatable at will(rebooting after this does
    	take a loooooonnnnnggggg time though).
    
    	Is there something that I am missing, or this a real problem.
    
    	Thanks,
    		Rich.
    	

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441.1RAB::DESAIJatin DesaiMon Mar 20 1989 19:206
    If this is VMS, doesn't it disable your account for sometime after X number
    of unsuccesful login attempts ?

    Jatin

441.2...Intruder Alert, Intruder Alert...MDVAX3::ENDSLEYMJ Endsley, SWS @ St. LouisMon Mar 20 1989 20:2812
    RE: .1

    Yeah, I've been bit by this one too.

    Next time it happens, SET HOST to the workstation from another system
    and try the DCL command SHOW INTRUSION to see if this is the case.  If
    it is, you can reset it with the DELETE/INTRUSION_RECORD command. 


    Mike Endsley
    SWS @ STO

441.3Intrusion, I will checkCHUNK::HENNESSYTue Mar 21 1989 11:0813
    
    	Yes, this is VMS V5.1.
    
    	The lockout appears to last at least over a weekend in duration.
    	I did it last Friday as a test, came in Monday and it was still
    	hung.
    
    	I will look at the intrusion state today.
    
    	Thanks,
    		Rich.
    	

441.4PAUSE BUG??CSC32::E_VAETHTue Mar 28 1989 18:2325
    A customer called this morning with the same pause/locked-out question.

    We determined the following:
    
    If the user ONLY has the session manager running, then opts to pause,
    and enters an invalid password....it locks up.  The customer was
    rebooting each time.  We determined that it does let you back in
    eventually, somewhere around 15 minutes or so or he could login
    and dele the intrusion.  
    
    If the user has other sessions going besides the session manager,
    then the sysgen parm lgi_brk_lim (which was 5 for our pvax'es) applies
    and one could type in an invalid password and still get in up to
    max allowed.
    
    Is this a feature or a bug???  Even if only the session manager
    is running, shouldn't logins be allowed for upto lgi_brk_lim times??
    
    Thanks for any input,
    
    Elin.
    LST CSC/CS
    
    

441.5VMSINT::PIPERDerrell Piper - VAX/VMS DevelopmentWed Mar 29 1989 11:028
>    Is this a feature or a bug???  Even if only the session manager
>    is running, shouldn't logins be allowed for upto lgi_brk_lim times??
    
Break-in detection for the session manager pause session routine uses
essentially the same routine that LOGINOUT uses.  Is your customer sure that he
only mistyped his password once and that he had not previously mistyped it
during the initial login sequence or previous sessions?

441.6Complete reproducibleCSC32::G_JOHNSONJust a nickle's worth of dreamsWed Mar 29 1989 14:4510
    Absolutely.  We can reproduce this problem at will on any of our
    pvaxen in the center.  To recap.  If there is a decterm, the normal
    break in detection limits apply.  If we have only a file view, or
    nothing but the session manager, then a single bad PW will cause
    the problem.
    
    Stumped.
    
    Greg...

441.7QAR cityCSSE32::MERMELLWindow PainWed Mar 29 1989 16:222
Sounds like QAR city to me.

441.8how-to on QAR questionCSC32::E_VAETHThu Apr 13 1989 17:553
    Excuse my ignorance, but how/where do I QAR this??
    

441.9Here ya go...GSRC::WESTI'm just visiting this planet.Thu Apr 13 1989 21:415
    I was pointed to VAXWRK::VMSNOTES conference note 2.3
    
                             -=> Jim <=-
    

441.10thanksCSC32::E_VAETHThu Apr 13 1989 23:514
    thanks Jim, I'll give a whirl.
    
    elin