Conference turris::womannotes-v3

    77.15 by D! 
    
    I'll put on the gloves with you anytime. (Should I wear 
    a cup ? >8-) )

    
    78.115 by John Heffernan.  In this honest, insightful note John talks 
    about the socialization of males toward violence and about his own possible
    role in that socialization.  Thanks, John.  As I was reading your note,
    I had the lovliest image of you holding a sweet, little boy in your lap 
    and talking with him gently.
    
    Justine

    I did too, Justine.  It was beautiful.

    22.76 by Kim Apodaca.  It's exactly how I feel only I haven't had the
    patience to write something similar!  Let's hope a lot of
    people think about what she wrote.
    
    		Holly

    100.12 by Harry Arendt. Caring and positive note on men's support of
    feminism.
    
    Kate

    agreed.

      95.16
    
    Jody Bobbitts note on what is the 'reason for being' of womannotes
    conference.
    
    she articulated my thoughts infinitely better than i could myself.

    
    Jody Bobbitt's contribution of 100.7.
    
    

    
    thank you mez for 43.8
    should be required reading
    

    John you beat me to it!
    
    Bonnie

    
    Hot Button by Dawn Evans - "Look, girls, enough..." - wonderful!
    
    Dorian

    Ditto.
    
    Kate

Ray Davis' Joanna Russ quote in 157.76 gave me some interesting insights to
chew on (as did another one in quotable women).
	Mez

    i would like to commend eagles for 172.23
    
    i personally am not a member of the NRA, and sometimes
    get angry at that group, but the way that he described 
    it as a sporting association, i can't stay mad at it.
    
    NRA does not equal allowing people to walk in off the
    street to buy guns, it does mean people getting together
    to share a hobby.
    
    now as for the political activists who get together and
    try to make purchasing guns too easy.....but they are
    not the NRA.  maybe a fraction of it, but they are not it.
    
    jonathan
    

    by Justine Sullivan.
    
    For reminding us that the real problem is not how to define legally how
    you can insult another group using "artistic expression," but the
    social aspects of WHY SOMEONE WOULD WRITE, PERFORM, PRODUCE, ETC.,
    MUSIC/ART THAT PROMOTES HATRED OF ANOTHER GROUP IN SOCIETY IN THE FIRST
    PLACE, and why that hate-mongering gets popular support...
    
    And for urging us to DO something about it!!!
    
    Pam

    Mel's note  about  her  music  teacher. What wonderful poetry. And
    love. That was beautiful.  Thank you Mel.

--David

    I nominate Pam Smith's thought-provoking 254.63.....
    
    -Jody

    
    	And another one by Pam Smith - 
    
    	note 270.17 on "Men defining Women"
    

    
    by our dear ms. bobbitt
    

    by john heffern[oh, no, which vowel??]on
    
    lee t

    288.38, by Herb Nichols.
    
    An eloquent explanation of what this file can be, and often is.
    
    Alison

    second

	295.4  by Justine  COGITO::Sullivan

	Particually the last lines.  She has once again articulated my
	thoughts exactly!  Thank-you, Justine.

	Now, if only certain people could learn how to listen, we've
	already found them a 'teacher'.  (The BEST 'teachers' in life
	seldom INTEND to preach, eh, 'cuse me, teach.  ...  :-)    )

	mary

    I second

I third!

Bobbi Fox

    
    fourth
    	

    fifth....

    
    	Great note!
    
    	Would also like to nominate Ann's 78.159 - 
    
    	Thanks for showing us that Newsweek writes things from the list of
    	opinions women aren't allowed to express without being persecuted.
    

sixth...

Terrific note, thanks Justine.

D!

    Maggie's 22.369
    
    a note that I feel should go a long way in keeping the trash
    level down in this conference.
    

    Jody's note was short, sweet, and to the point. Maybe some people can't
    deal with the "take your marbles and go home" theory, but the fact is,
    its d***ed effective. And considering the frequently underlying
    expectation that members of Womannotes, unlike Soapbox, will be fair,
    nurturing and supportive of every a**hole who wants to write in here,
    silence is the best tool we have.

    295. 14 by Jody Bobbitt 
    
    vivian

    Ain't that the truth, Jody.  Third.
    
    grins,
    Marge

    
    seventh
    
    justine, you do have your words....they are exhilarating, enhancing,
    and d**n truthful
    
    thanx

    
Daniel Katz's Signing Out note - especially the part On Men Defining Women. 
Ought to be required reading for us all. We need more like him!

Dorian

    Jody's 276.56... required reading for this file.. gotta admit it did
    really open my eyes to FWO's notes...   Thnaks Jody
    
    REK(male)

I nominate Lee_T for 22.549, where she explains in very blunt and honest
terms why the recent men-centeredness of =wn= drives her batty.  I concur.

D!

    
    	Fourth nomination!  (Lee, you had me standing up rooting for you
    	in my cubicle by the second paragraph!)  ;^)
    

    
    	Another LifeTime Achievement Aware nomination for Justine Sullivan.
    	
    	(I'm sure she must have several Lifetimes' worth by now, but then
    	she writes well enough for several Lifetimes' worth!)
    
    	My firm belief is that we could achieve world peace if only someone
    	would send your words to the United Nations and the Middle East.
    
    	Justine, many hugs and salutes!!
    

    
    i suppose it's safe for me to second both .41 (22.549) and .45
    
    

    JOe that sounds like a great idea..
    
    the Catherine T life time acheivement award for =wn=
    
    =maggie?
    
    Bonnie
    
    and Suzanne, my reactions were the same as yours

    	Yes, the Catherine T LifeTime Achievement Award sounds perfect!

    	To Justine...

    I like to nominate a Special Award to the person who first
    suggested in V1 or V2 that there be a Hall of Fame topic.
    In my desperate attempt to catch up from a two-week vacation
    (and having ~2000 unseen notes), I'm skipping more notes
    than usual -- I mean, there were over 200 unread replies in
    the Processing Topic alone! -- and because of this topic,
    I've seen some fine notes that I would otherwise have missed
    (especially the aforementioned cry of anguish from Lee).
    
    --- jerry

    topic 343.0 started by edp.
    
    if this topic doesn't cut down the amount of noise created by
    (accidentally) hurt egos, i don't know what will.
    
    and i encourage all new noters to check this out, and keep it
    in mind if their feelings do get bruised.
    
    jonathan

    second.

Fourth.

Kathy

    
    Peggy Leedberg on the Persian Gulf situation.
    
    Dorian

    I'll second that.
    
    Lorna
    

Another for Peggy -- Thanks.
    
	MKV

    #400.34  by Bonnie Randall.

    Seconded!
    
    -- Mike

    Ahh shit...
    
    GREAT NOTE Bonnie...
    
    I ALSO agree with the other 2 replies...
    
    REK

    Re Bonnie R.'s note: Thirded!
    
    Eileen

I nominated E Grace's note 394.44 in the "How the system abuses men" note.

Short, simple and to the point: society oppresses, and *we* are society.

D!

    Bonnie R-S  in 456.6. A wonderful plea for understanding in a note
    where many people want to be confrontational.  

--David

    	Bonnie Randall's reply (13.502) about intelligence and
    	society's view of same.
    
    	Scott

    Strongly seconded, and I propose .504 from the same string.  Very
    articulate, and very thought provoking.
    
    aq
    

    
    I second the nomination for Lorna's 13.504.  I'm afraid I won't do
    it justice if I try to describe it here.  Lorna, I love the way you
    put things, and I wish you had your own talk show!
    
    Justine

    edp, you're right!  Anyone know where 13.504 went?  And why?
    
    aq
    

    It went to the rathole. I don't know who moved it.  Presumably a
    moderator who felt it fit in better there.
    
    Lorna
    

    503.0, Angeline's note regarding "This is Incest".  Incredible piece of
    work.

    58.871 by Dana?
    
    Short and sweet, but some of the best advice on communication
    

    497.100 by Justine
    
    How to learn and grow.  Wonderful!

    
    yes! would that everyone could adopt this approach!
    

    'Ren Foster's 48.9
    

    
    second.
    

    third
    

    fourth

    
    Fifth.  (Great analogy, for one.)

    The entire FWO B/G/L string. Although I won't participate in the note,
    respecting the FWO limitation request, and happy to do so, I am
    learning so very much about people whose orientation is the same as
    mine, but whose gender is the opposite. It is so difficult, sometimes,
    to avoid sterotyping, as most of the people I know that are out about
    their same-sex orientation (Female and Male) seem to fit some of the
    sterotypes. They are people, human beings, deserving of my respect and
    everone's respect. This NOTE, # 47 and all replies, is really helping
    me by giving me more insight into the participants in this file and how
    they live their personal lifstyles and the reasons for it. Bravo to all
    and thank you.
    
    Phil

    Yep.  A special vote for Rita Tillson's 47.28 from me. 
    
    Ray

    third

    Well, it was 47.all, until someone refused to honor the FWO string.
    It's his choice and mine to feel he's wrong to do so, but it spoils
    what was a beautiful dialog that I felt honored to be allowed to
    eavesdrop into. Mods, feel free to move this to the rathole, if you
    want.
    
    Phil

Re -1

   What Phil said.  

I also nominate Joyce's 58.924.




Jim

    re .85, I second Joyce's 58.924.  Very well put.
    
    Lorna
    

    
    hear, hear on 47.all-but-one and joyce's 58.924
    

    
    Let's hear it for P'Town, which is where I'm headed early in the
    morning....
    
    AND 47.all....the but one is a riot.
    
    Good job joyce on 58.924

    "Conflict resolved"
    
    Just looking at the TITLE and I knew that I liked the
    note already!
    
    And then, to top it off, I read about how a discussion was
    taken off line, and differences were settled, etc etc etc....
    
    Maybe this should go in the "....but there's hope yet" topic?
    

    Note 22.688 by --eagles-- for his calm, rational comments on the
    purpose of =wn= and his request for a return to that purpose.
    
    Bravo!  Well said!
    
    Barb

    I second 22.688.

    third!
    

    darn, you beat me -d.
    
    justine, i too spit in disgust.

-d, for instituteing a "FMO" note.

What sheer perverse brilliance.

grins,

clark.

    
    me three, Justine.  their desperate desire to command attention
    is sickening, but typical and predictable.
    
    Carla
    

    Make it 4 for Justine.  A very well articulated explaineation for the
    way I feel.
    
    Meg

    
    
    
    I'll second that, Mike.

    
    
    Note 526.16 By Amy Goldman.  I've been avoiding the Click topic too
    because I can't identify with it in any way.
    
    And this comes from me who has fought and won a sex discrimination
    suit.
    
    kathy

    Thanks Ann. This should be required reading. What a beautiful woman
    Ms. Truth must have been. Kudos for you for posting it.
    
    Kate

    22.939 by john the juggling fool, who is clearly no fool.
    
    lee

    re .939, I agree!  Good note.
    
    Lorna
    

    Thanks.  I was skipping the processing notes and would've missed 
    that very intelligent note if it hadn't been mentioned here.
    
    CQ

    22.1175 written by Eugene Xia in the processing topic.  
    
    - Vikas

    I second that.  Good note.
    
    Lorna
    

    Second.  Some great insights there.  Thanks, Dana.

        597.0, by Anna Quindlen.
        
        Dan

    596.57 by Meg Evans.
    
    Kind of says it all.  
    
    E Grace

    Note 596.93, by Jody Bobbitt.  What a wonderful, beautifully expressed
    note.
    
    -- Mike

    second
    
    yu beat me to it Mike!

    I thought that Phil Connell's reply as .94 was excellent.
    
    Don
    *8-)

    I think it's a tie!  
    
    Thank you, Phil and Jody!
    
    E Grace

    I'm kinda late here, but I want to add a third (or actually a fourth)
    for 596.93 by Jody.  Wish I could say things so well, but I'm just
    an illegitimate, I mean illiterate engineer :-)
    
    Mary

    Dan,
    
    I second 597, The Glass Half Empty.
    
    Kate

    I nominate 607.67....
    
    -Jody
    

    Unconditional third.
    
    Ad

    
    fourth
    

    
    Resounding fifth.
    

And a thunderous 6th






Jim

    I don't know if it's "okay" to nominate a Splashes note for the Hall of
    Fame, but I am anyway.  (Ooooh, I'm feeling *so* defiant today!)
    
    Note 343.83 by Annie Johnston.

    I would like to nominate note 596.176 by Lorna WRKSYS::STHILAIRE for
    its snappy one-liner: "[B]efore, most men didn't know there was a gap."
    
    						Ann B.

    
    second.
    

    
    
    	Wicked awesome pithy note, Lorna>
    
    

    
    second.
    

    Third!
    
    	(okay, okay...I'll tell her!)
    
    Ummmm....make that a fourth and fifth, okay?  (*8
    
    E Grace

644.0 for its own sheer wit and for all the fun enabled

    I'll second that nomination for the potato note.  It was the
    inspiration for my new p_n.
    
    -Mary

    No more comments on the war
    
    A wise request!
    
    				herb

    673.4
    
    By Bonnie Randall Schutzman
    
    highly recommened reading for anyone between 'relationships' no
    matter the gender.
    
    Bonnie Jeanne

    673.4
    
    Bonnie,
    
    From within looking out you feel,
    I learn from looking in from where I felt.
    
    Thnaks for the note, thanks for the topic.
    
    Peace,
    Allison

    	I second the nomination of Dan D'Eramo's 22.1584 (and would like
    	to point out that Dan D'Eramo's 22.1600 provides additional useful
    	information about this situation.)
    
    	Well done, indeed.

    Another for Carla's note 57.206. Great writing style!
    
    Kate

    
    Carol duBois' notes 702.117 and 702.118 ...
    
    Carla
    

    seconded and seconded
    
    E Grace

    thirded and thirded

    fifth and fifth
    
    A person is free to ask others to not do or say things that offend him
    or her.  Note use of word "request".
    
    >>If any man feels the need to say this in the future, I request of
    >>that man to not do so.
    
    Sara

What are we up to, sixth and sixth?!

Good notes. Thanks, Carol.

Kathy

    Seventh and seventh?  I agree about Carol's notes.  Thanks, Carol, for
    still having the patience to educate.
    
    Lorna
    

Another great note from 702:

	702.175, by Sandy Ciccolini

Thanks, Sandy! (It's nice to see you noting!)

Kathy

  22.1749 by Brian Hetrick.

  When are you going to give up that dead-end engineering job and become
  a writer?  Excuse me, I meant to ask when you are _officially_ going to
  become a writer.

  JP

    
    Seconded.
    
    A wordman, better than a birdman.
    
    Carla
    

    thirded.  (Is that a word? :-)
    
    Sara

    709.127, by Sharon Walker.

    
    second!
    

    
          I would like to nominate TYGON::WILDE 679.216.  Its priceless!
    
    
    ****Warning...disclaimer follow's....
    
                         I would love to see some thoughts of New
    Englanders when they visit Texas.....I would imagine....
    
    Dave

    I would like to nominate 'ren Foster's 47.108.
    
    -Jody
    

    'ren Foster's 47.108  seconded most heartily.  Great note.
    
       Margaret

    
    	fourthed 
    
    
    	JJ
    

	Fifth.

	Such honesty is to be applauded!  Clap Clap Clap!

	Carla

    6th.  It's not often that I read 98-line replies all the way through.
    
    I agree that none of us is free of prejudice.  Once I thought I was,
    but I learned different by travelling to a place in which mine was the
    dominant culture.  A real eye-opener, how I felt about a couple of
    people who were experiencing being minority-culture for the first time.
    
    Sara

    7th. I, too, rarely read such long notes all the way through. This was
    a real eye opener. I have never seen anyone admit to such biases and
    then state how they were trying to work through them. I even have a
    hard time admitting such things to myself although I know they exist in
    me also. I thank the people of this file and their wonderful
    differences in being my greatest aid in helping me work at getting past
    my own personal prejudices. THey still exist, but are becoming less and
    less.
    
    Phil

    okay I'll go 9th..
    
    I don't know if I could be as painfully honest about my
    prejudices as 'ren has been.
    
    and the important thing to me about what she wrote was
    that she wasn't saying 'I'm prejudiced about this, so what'
    but 'I'm prejudiced about this and I want to change'...
    
    'ren to me is a unique individual.
    
    Bonnie

Not to be redundant, but... another for 47.108 (rushed over here
and 9 or so folks have beat me to it, but I still want to, um, second).

    MKV    

     I really liked 'ren's note also.
    
    I think that one of the keys to dealing with sexist/racist/homophobic
    feelings is to learn to deal with people as human beings first, then
    green/blue/red/black/brown/white second.
    
    That seems to be a very dividing point in this conference and one of
    the reasons that so many persons respond so negatively to some notes.
    Say you have a gay Asian supermarket bagger.  There are those who don't
    want to go down his aisle because they look at that person and all they
    see is GAY or ASIAN and they know they don't like GAY or ASIAN.  There
    are others who see SUPERMARKET BAGGER and will go down that aisle, and
    as long as the SUPERMARKET BAGGER packs the groceries in a satisfactory
    manner they won't care whether SUPERMARKET BAGGER happens to also be
    GAY and ASIAN.  The person did the job that was required in the
    situation.
    
    Lisa 

    
    obviously.
    

    275.32  A beautiful tribute, thank you Eugene!

    778.22  Ren

    I'd like to second that.
    
    Joe

    
    second.
    

    
    782.57, "Why do sex and violence go together?" by Justine Sullivan.
    
    D.
    

    
    ditto.
    

    
    Note 785.72 by 'ren Foster.  Like others, your note says very
    eloquently how I feel about WOMANNOTES.
    
    CQ

    second for .72, 'ren has said a lot about why I'm involved with
    womannotes.

    I'd like to also nominate .71 by Mary Mayling and .77 by Eugen Xia
    (despite the use of 'ladies' ;-} ) for honest and clearly expressed
    articulation of another point(s) of view.

    Bonnie

    
    second
    

    
    Go, Justine!
    

    
    ditto.
    

    I'd like to nominate Justine Sullivan's 807.2, on the nature of women's
    anger against men.
    
    D!

    seconded

    
    ditto
    

    I'd like to nominate everything that Justine Sullivan has written in
    the last two days.  (: >,)
    
    Ray

    second
    

    785.196.  It usually seems that way to me too.
    
                                      L.J.

    I nominate Lauren Foster's 821.52 in the "Equity vs. Equality" note
    about what *really* constitutes "qualified"!
    
    Rah rah!
    
    D!

    second :-)

    
    I nominate Sandy Ciccolini's 821.41.  I am especially impressed by her
    analogy about the elephant who believes that s/he can be held by a
    single rope because it did hold him/her when s/he was a baby.  Brilliant 
    and apt.
    
    Thank you,
    
    Justine

    second!
    
     -HA

    
    third for both 821.41 and 821.52
    

 824.54 and 824.60 by Sara Thigpen.

  Judy Blachek's letter to the editor in the Friday (14-JUN-1991)
  Nashua Telegraph.

                                   Atlant

    
    879.12 by TYGON::WILDE 
    
    if only all children could be raised with such insight and love.
    
    lsn

    A beautiful entry by -daniel Katz that examines the subtle connections
    between some actions and the feelings they can elicit and *why* they
    can elicit them.  A great example of genuine understanding.  Brava!
    
    Sandy

    
    883.74 - second!
    
    Dorian
    

    I nominate 883.79, by Cheryl Hetrick...
    
    -Jody
    

    seconded.
    
    D!

    third
    
    bj

    I nominate 883.136 by Justine Sullivan.
    
    You said what I've felt better than I could manage to express it.
    And I think you've described a significant source of the 
    misunderstanding that occurs in this file.  So many of us are 
    very sensitive to the topics we discuss here, and want this to be
    a place where we can discuss these issues openly.  When the
    issues are discussed impersonallly, it can really sting.
    I thought your note expressed this well, but also with 
    sensitivity to those who may not be aware of this difference in
    approach to the topics, and the problems it engenders.
    
    Thank you, Justine.  I know you spoke for me; I think you also spoke
    for many others.
    
    Cheryl

	917.27 by Sandy Ciccolini

	Dan

    920.22 by d binder
    
    amen, brother

  930.27 deserves two Hall of Fame entries.  One nomination is for 
  theoretical brilliance and the other for experimental ingenuity.  
  I'd purely love to see the court transcript in the case of the 
  nursing mother in a topless bar.

  JP

    second that nomination...
    
    brilliant analysis Sandy!
    
    -----
    \ D /
     \ /

4th not required, but heartily given.  penetrating insight, clearly
expressed.  Brava, Sandy!

-d

    nicely done, Sandy!

    58.2422 by Dawn Evans -- glad to see you haven't lost your rapier wit,
    my dear :-)
    
    Justine -- I just love it when you get sarcastic.

    
    
    	... about male attitudes towards women in combat...
    
    	"And they are not trying to protect women.  They are trying
    	 to protect THEIR IMAGE OF WOMEN."
    
    

    I would like to nominate for the hall of fame all those people who
    chose *not* to enter yet another Woolworth's location in note 947.

    
    
    Wow.
    
    I kind of make it a policy to never write in this note, but I think
    this is an acception to the rule.
    
    
    58.2480
    
    

Seconded nomination for Mike Valenza's philosophical discourse on controlling
and accepting reality.

D!

    
    Mike V, a third.
    	
    I accept it as a way to live a more mentally healthy life.  I do have
    choices, some good and some terrible.  Those choices are mine to make
    and I am responsible for the consequences.
    	
    	Allison
    		
    
    

    re: last three
    
         Yes, I liked it, too (along with Kathy's note .54, in a since
    temporarily forgotten topic earlier this morning.)  THIS is what
    I unsuccessfully attempted to convey two weeks ago.  Can you see
    where the difficulty arises between the words blame and responsibility,
    from these concepts?   Control versus dominion?  Control versus
    domination?  Choices, always there are choices.
    
    Frederick
    

    I'd like to 2nd .224

    970.85 by Sandy Ciccolini
    
    !

    I'm usually a read only here, but Sandy's note 970.109 brought tears
    to my eyes.  Thanks Sandy for so eloquently expressing what so many
    of us have experienced.
    
    Ro
    

 970.132 by Sara Thigpen. Honest, forthright, fair.

	I second that. 

		Tom_K

    970.136
    
    huzzah!
    
    -Jody
    

    For clearly articulating the issues, presenting the choices, and
    distinguishing between the two.
    
    Alison

    For tellin' it like it his.  Not like some would wish it to be.
    
    Attagirl Sandy (and before you flame me ask me what it means 8-)
    
    8-)
    jimc
    

    second that one...wish more people had that kind of passion and
    commitment
    
    daniel

    
    Third!  Third!  Third!
    
    Sandy, what a wonderful voice you have!
    
    Carla
    

    And a fourth!!
    
    I'm in awe at the power and truth of your notes in topic 970!!!
    
    Gratefully,
    
    Ro
    

    Wow, blush, thanx.  I'm in awe of the patience and careful dissection
    of the issues in 976.35.  Well done!  Wish I'd said that!  Right down
    to the final chilling and true statement.
    
    Sandy

Way to go, Sandy.  Beautiful articulation, even if I *do* sometimes
disagree with your position.  This time I don't.

-d

    999.19, by Lillian Hastie.  This is the first contribution by Lil that
    I have seen here, and i for one welcome her to =wn=.
    
    -d

    
    I agree.  I had the same thought, you beat me to it.
    
    CQ

    998.162, Chelsea, for writing about growing as a noter.
    
    Bonnie

    998.225, Dian Wilde, for relating her experiences with retraining
    of welfare recipients.

    A second for 998.225.
    
    Thank you.

998.225: seconded!
(ya beat me to it!)

    I second that.

 Yeah, it was nice. :-)

    
               Ann Johnston's comod response in 1044 #14.  IMHO its a
    gutsy response to a most difficult note.
    

    
    
    	Julie Melbin's 1014.5
    
    	The first paragraph, 3'rd sentence, answers a question
    	so frequently hurled at this conference, at women, at
    	feminists.
    					nancy b.
    
    

    in re .252
    
    A second, espcially given my original, gut level response to replies
    in that string.
    
    Bonnie

    Allison's 1044.32
    
    Thanks. I know of at least ONE person who changed his mind about
    L/B/G awareness day after reading her note. 
    
    Bonnie

    1044.100
    
    -Jody
    

    1044.100 seconded
    
    E Grace

    Third... I couldn't have said it better.

    Fourth - beautifully said.
    

     Fifth,  Only when you've seen from both sides is the image clear.

       

    
    Sixth-- It doesn't sound self serving when it comes from "the other 
    side".  Thanks.
    
    
    Debbi

    And I seventh.  What a pleasure to read!
    
    judy

    Me too.
    
    I feel so naive. I didn't even know it was true, let alone understand
    it (not that I _really_ understand it, now, of course).
    
    Alice T.

    Brian Hetrick's 920.194.
    
    A complex thought put extremely well!
    
    Eileen
    

    Brian Hetrick's 920.194.
 
    Brian, 
    You have gotten about as close to the real experience as
    can be gotten without being there.  Nice writing.

    Allison

    I'll third that!  Great note Brian!
    
    bright blessings,
    -HA

    Fourth!

    fifth

    Thank you Brian.
    
    E Grace

    I sought out the Hall of Fame string to nominate Brian Hetrick's
    920.194, only to discover that four or five others have beat me to it. 
    Oh, well, rather than consider my search a wasted effort, here's
    another vote for Brian's coherent thoughts on a touchy subject.
    (Even if some of my life's attitudes and actions place me right in the
    midst of his "rapist" mentality.)
    
    Thanks, Brian.
    Karen

    	I went for a ride yesterday; while riding, I thought
    	about Brian's reply. "Man, I hope I don't have to
    	spend too much time finding it. That was such a
    	well written, well thought out reply. I've never
    	really tried to look at things from a woman's
    	perspective."
    
    	Well, no need to worry. The reply was too good to go
    	unnoticed.
    
    	Great reply, Brian.
    
    	Scott

    thank you, TomK, for that gentle reminder....
    
    -Jody
    

    49.303 by Justine Sullivan....it really gets to the heart of the
    question.  Thanks, Justine.

    seconded.  Beautiful note, Justine.  As always.
    
    E Grace

    I third it.  Great note Justine!
    
    Karen