Conference turris::womannotes-v3

Hmph.  I know several women who are capable of burning water.  And I
suspect (or at least I *hope*) that my having provided a generally
edible Madras curry for the Grand Party doesn't make a statement about
my orientation - actually, I'm oriented toward Oriental rugs.

:-)

-d

    I *like* beef jerky. And Slim Jims. And I channel-surf with the remote
    control. (And I have a knee-jerk reaction to generalizations, nearly
    always wanting to pop up and supply a counter example; thanks for
    starting this topic!)
    
    -b

    I like beef jerky too.  particularly the teriyaki kind
    
    -Jody
    

    I know how to load a dishwasher.  I do it from front to back,
    plastic stuff on the top shelf and clean the crusty crud of the dishes
    before putting them in.
    
    ed

    
    WOW!
    
    I am very impressed by a man who can explicitly detail how to load a
    dishwasher properly. Which way do you load knives into the basket?

I know how to load a dishwasher, you hand hir the dishes one at a time.

:-)

I even know that my Maytag wants me to put the plates and silverware on
the top shelf and the glasses and cups below.  (For those who *don't*
know how to load a dishwasher, be advised that this arrangement is the
opposite of the way most dishwashers want to be fed.)

-d

Re: .5

My dishwasher cleans better if I load the silverware with the business
end up, but my wife objects to being stabbed when it's her turn to
unload the machine, so I do it the other way.

-d

	Second the response about men and dishwashers, with
	an indignant sniff !

	Procedure:

	1) Put as many dishes, implements, containers, etc., as
	   you can get in the thing.  Jam the dishes up close
	   together....don't worry about the dishes getting clean...
	   we're talking about water, here....it bends.

	2) Dump some soap in the little whatsis in the door.  Sprinkle
	   some extra around the inside of the washer.  If 1/4 cup
	   is good, 2 cups is better.

	3) Push all options buttons on the front ( heat, rinse, spin,
	   flagellate, certify ).

	4) Crank the knob thingie until it lights off, then leave.

	So what's the big deal ?

	Steve H

    I clean the laundry. Lillian does my daughters laundry though, her
    choice.
    
    I wash the pots and pans and load a diswasher so as to not wash
    more than necessary.
    
    I do all the food shopping, clip coupons, buy in quanity during
    great sales.
    
    I change diapers and give my daughter bathes.
    
    I am pretty good with cleaning windows and vacuuming.
    
    I have no trouble cooking and am pretty good at it. Lillian would
    rather though because I guess I take too long.
    
    I confess I hate dusting, I have dried clothes that should have
    been hung up after washing, etc...
    
    Perhaps I'm rare but there were no man/women roles in the house
    that I was brought up in. I can't understand men who have trouble
    with doing any of the above. 
    
    Jim C.
    

    real men wash dishes by hand

    re: .1
    
    Nah, you're just repressed and closetted ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-}
    					     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ note, many
    smiley faces in effort to avoid being hit!
    
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    \ D /
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    I'm with you, -b (well, actually I'm in Santa Clara, but you know what
    I mean).  I can't lay claim to ANY of the "male traits" yet (and it
    doesn't take THAT close an inspection to figure out I'm male), and I
    can't fit many female friends into the "female traits" (though maybe
    I'm just stubbornly blanking out on the matches).
    
    Now if someone had said that men interrupt and try to dominate the
    conversation while women politely nod and seize opportunities to roll
    their eyes in sympathy at other women....  (: >,)
    
    Ray

    Another vote for the Stooges!  "Cactus Makes Perfect", (with the 
    crowbar in the mineshaft scene), is, to me, the funniest short ever 
    made by anyone.  Curly is a genius at physical comedy.
    
    Saturday and Sunday mornings at 11:00 on channel 38 out of Boston.
    
    (Moe! Larry! The cheese!!)
    
    Sandy
    

    re:.5:  I put the knives and other weapons business end down, do the
    real knives by hand.  Will again fill the dishwasher after I bake that
    cake tonight.
    
    ed (gotta remember, don't forget either the e or the d lest I be
    thought to be assuming someone else's identity...)

    You can never forget the E!

    re: .13
    
    Sandy,
    
    BA HA HA! That's my *favorite* short!  Thanks for the smile!
    
    hahahahahahaha 8-) 8-).
    
    with love & laughter,
    cheyenne

    I am a notorious page-bender...
    
    I love books, but always lose bookmarks, and my place. I bend pages
    all over the place, just to remember good parts to go back to, or
    re-read in order to better understand when the author refers back
    to something that already happened!  
    
    (i confess, my favorite books are the least well-kept, they are water
    logged (fell in the tub!)gritty (got sand in them at beach), and
    over-all are pretty shabby)
    ]
    Kim

    I love books, too!.....But, I keep them spotless as they are
    worth more come bookstore trade-in time! :-)  Nothing better
    then a good book (my fav - a historical romance novel....love 
    them swashbuckler/pirate types! :-)) while on the beach or out
    in the backyard on a loungechair, or floating in the pool.....
    
    A male co-worker here reads romance novels, too.  I guess I can't
    generalize and say only women read romance novels! :-)
                                                                     
    Lynne

    My wife had me convinced for years that women couldn't mow lawns.
    But now my 14 year old daughter has started mowing it for $20 a 
    shot (that's what I have to pay neighborhood boys, and she gets no 
    allowance, so...)  Anyway, the games up.  :^)
    
    					- Vick

    I'm a notorious page-bender also!
    
    BJ

Several replies from female types who bend pages, followed by this one,
from a male person who *never* bends pages, not even in paperbacks, and
*does* use a bookmark - whatever kind is handy - even in paperbacks.  I
cannot bear to destroy a book by vandalizing it.

It's driving me *crazy* that the cover on my Shelby Foote Civil War book
is curling!  Aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!

I've also paid outrageous sums to have a couple of my old, treasured,
irreplaceable books rebound.

-d

        Another non-page-bender here.  Once, looking on
        incredulously as my boss (this was before I came to
        Digital) wrote in one of his books in pencil and bent the
        page, I said "Why don't you just burn it?".  He said he
        didn't think bending a page was quite that bad.
        
        Dan

    maybe I should just delete that particular note? naaah...
    
    re. a few back - you actually trade books in !!?? Books were 
    -made_ to gather dust until you loan them to somebody who 
    forgets to return them!

    
    I write in and highlight passages that inspire me in some of
    my books -- similarly, when I buy a used book and find small
    insights into the previous owner, by margin notations, or a
    wish from the giftor on the inside cover, I feel quietly
    connected to another time, another place, another life.
    
    Carla
    

    Who trades their books? I let mine gather dust after they become
    dog-eared. (yeah me too a page bender.) Then when the books are
    finished with me, somehow i learn of someone who wants some that I have
    and I give them to that person. If I need the book again, eventually i
    will find another copy and buy it again. I think that this happens,
    because I consider books to be my most important possessions and such
    being the case, I want everyone to share in the joy I obtain from them.
    Even to the point of being obnoxious.
    
    PJ(A readaholic)
    

    Well, while we're down this book rathole, consider giving your
    used books to a local prison - the inmates will be very grate-
    ful. (And they won't complain if the pages are dog-eared ;-) )
    
    Also, any hospitals for long-term care, such as Veterans hospitals.
    
    Dana
    
    PS actually I used to trade books in but every time I went to the 
    used book store I walked out with more than I came in with!

    Unfortunately, at $5 a whack per romance novel, I trade them
    in.  If I buy them new from Annie's Bookstore, I get 50% credit
    upon return....and used books are 1/2 price. I read too many to 
    keep them, (I've got three bags full in the basement now!) 
    and no one to swap with..... 
           
    However, I do have a few coveted books that I will not part with..:-)
    
    HRH

    
    We give our unwanted books to our local library - they use them
    to sell at their annual booksale to benefit the library.  Or,
    use them in their collection.
    
    I've stopped by Annie's several times throughout the years,
    hoping it would get better.  To me, most of what's there is junk.
    I mean, if it were any good, people would keep it, not get rid of
    it, right?
    

    re turning them in or giving them to charity or prisons. I would except
    that as I implied, my books are treasures and I won't give them up
    until someone I know is looking for a specific title and I happen to
    have it. The saddest day was when all my books burned up in the fire
    about 12 years ago. I'm still replacing them, but to many new ones take
    up my money too.
    
    PJ

    Only 13% of all American families follow the stereotype of father as
    exclusive breadwinner and mother as exclusive homemaker.
    
    - also paraphrased from "Gender: The Enduring Paradox"

    
    
    RE:  .30
    
    That is because 87% of breadwinner fathers are avid homemakers.
    
    :-)  :-)
    

    Sorry, I trade my books in at Annie's.  I don't consider my books to be
    junk just because I am trading them in.  Sometimes I just want new
    books.  If you understood just how much I devour books, you would
    understand that I would need another whole apartment for them!
    
    E Grace

    Anyone want to sell me _Rest You Merry_ by Charlotte MacLeod and any of
    John Mortimer's Rumpole books (except _Rumpole's Last Case_) ?
    
    I swap some books, books which are either duplicates or junk (to me,
    that is, but maybe just what someone else is looking for).  I had an
    idea for our family room:  we'd install lots of shelves and on them I'd
    place a few feet of books, then a gap in which I could place a
    curio or knick-knack, then more books, repeated until I ran out.  There 
    are no gaps.  And the books are stacked on and in front of one another.
    
    aq

    
    I know I should clear out some of my books - but I can't bring 
    myself to get rid of any of them (by giving them away, or any other
    method)...they are taking over my living space. They also constitute
    the bulk of my earthly possessions, and weight ten times as much
    to move as the rest of my stuff combined 8-}
    
    Also, I have a bad habit of keeping photos between the pages (I
    never seem to get around to framing them) so I'm always terrified
    of unwittingly giving away a picture with the book.
    And I use postcards from friends as bookmarks - don't want to lose
    those either.
    
    'gail

    re:  -.1
    'gail
    I'm the stock manager for the Amherst (NH) Town Library Booksale. 
    I have a very interesting collection of bookmarks that I've pulled
    from the books that have been donated to us.  Most recently I pulled
    three one dollar bills from a book.  I have a souvenir piece of a 
    scientific balloon that in the 50's flew to something like 70,000 feet.
    I have a real confederate 100 dollar bill.  I have lots of old 
    photographs and old postcards.  I have many very pretty hand-made and
    fancy store-bought bookmarks.  The thing I haven't found yet that I'm
    still hoping for is a love letter.  So if you want your postcards and
    photos to go to someone who will treasure them, you can donate your
    books to the Amherst Town Library :^)
    						- Vick

    I left $10 worth of winning lottery scratch tickets in a book I
    returned to the library after Christmas.  I knew I was tempting fate
    and/or my memory by putting them there with the idea that I would
    redeem them on the way to the library.

    
    RE .35
    
    Well, thanks vick - I always hoped that if I hand in something
    precious by mistake (which the law of averages says I will do,
    sooner or later) that someone would appreciate it :-)
    If I ever have a clear out, I'll crate'em up and send 'em over!
    
    'gail

Re: 892.41

Who was it here said the hardware seems male but the software is female?

My wife doesn't like to shop.  I do.

-d

    re: .30 (breadwinners and housemakers)
    
    I'll wager it's an even smaller %age that accomplishes that in
    <thought> as well as deed.  After all, most women would prefer not to
    work, or wouldn't mind giving it up or don't take it seriously anyway.
    
    I ought to know...according to what I've read...I'm a man.
    
    Nancy

    
    Sorry, Vick, I don't store my love letters in my books!!! :-)
    
    My books are stored in three Six foot bookcases, full, some of them
    double shelved.  No, I don't trade very many in.  The local used 
    bookseller always says that she's waiting for the day when I bring
    the collection in!  You got a long wait, baby!  :-)
    
    What does everyone like to read?  My shelves range from Scifi to 
    history, religion to science, new age to Shakespeare...what do you
    want??I'm a Gemini, I'm inquisitive!!
    
    I find that yesterday's lottery tickets make wonderful bookmarks!
    And most people that I lend books to want me to reassure them that, 
    yes--I have indeed read them, they just look brand new! :-)
    
    
    To the topic: I hate the Three Stooges, but I love Abbot and Costello.
    "OOhhh, Chuck.  Ch.. chuck!"
    I used to eat Slim Jims, but I don't eat much red meat anymore (is that
    considered *red* meat??)
    I love to cook, I hate to do the dishes (by hand, that's what the 
    Goddess made dishwashers for!!!)
    
    I think if you total up the generalizations, then I'm more male than
    female...that's why generalizations don't work!!!
    
    Debbi

Re: 894.38

> Who was it here said the hardware seems male but the software is female?
> My wife doesn't like to shop.  I do.

'Twasn't I who said it originally, but it may as well apply to me too 8-)

[Fatter of mact, at the =wn= grand party, -d and I re-made each other's
acquaintance in the club kitchen, re-heating the goodies we'd made for
the party 8-) ]

Unfortunately, it appears as though this configuration is unsupported....
some of us muddle along as best as we can, while others go for reprogramming
or a hardware ECO.

Me?  I just wish I could run both operating systems at once 8-)

--jim

    Re: 892.58
    
    Men are indeed happy with stuff (power tools, etc.) if it's the best
    made, etc.  But there is a reason for this, at least in my case, and
    it's a reason that applies equally to the women I know.
    
    We prefer the best because we are tired of buying 39-cent screwdrivers
    and $2.98 hammers and $9.97 electric drills and $3.79 Ginsu knives and
    watching them fail to perform, or even disintegrate completely, in our
    hands.  I am sick to death of knives that won't cut green peppers -- so
    my kitchen knives are first-quality Sabatier.  The best one is carbon
    steel; it's stained, but it holds an edge better than stainless steel. 
    It's the same with woodworking tools.  If I'm rebuilding the decorative
    lattice gratings under my front porch, I haven't got the time to futz
    with a saw that won't hold an adjustment or a router that can't carve
    the moulding I need.  Any good mechanic will tell you that Snap-On
    tools are worth their hefty price because they don't bend, split, chip,
    shatter, or fit improperly.
    
    And when my wife bought a new sewing machine, she laid down over $2000
    to get the best -- among its talents is the rare ability to make a
    *perfect* buttonhole -- and anything less, as with my tools, would have
    been false economy.  Penny wise and pound foolish.
    
    -d

    I love working in wood. The smell of it and the feel of it really put
    me in a great mood. My husband hates wood.
    
    I work. My husband stays home with the kids.
    
    I hate soap operas.
    
    My husband is a better cook than I.
    
    Kate

    I don't drive around looking for a place.  I consult a map before I get
    in the car.  My wife is often exasperated by my (possibly) compulsive
    desire to know where I am going before I set out.
    
    The compensation, for me, is that I virtually never become lost.
    
    The loss, for me, is that I encounter the unexpected exciting things
    along the road less frequently than I might.
    
    -d

he cooks breakfast, or no one would eat in the morning.  I cook supper.  I do
breakfast dishes, he does supper dishes.

he does groc shopping better than I do -- more food for less $$ -- but who shops
depends on who has time.

we both mow the lawn, weed the garden, do laundry.  Lately we tussle over who 
gets to mow the lawn - got a new lawn tractor, and it hasn't gotten to be a
chore yet!

he gets grossed out by the bathroom far more often than I do, and cleans it. I
vacuum.

he drives the kids to the camp bus & picks them up

    I hate talk shows.
    
    I hate soap operas.
    
    I thought I would stop to ask directions until last week when I was 
    away on vacation.  I'm driving with my mother and we can't figure out
    how to get where we're going.  I kept thinking that if I stopped I'd
    be wasting time, so just kept driving around looking for it.  We were
    15 minutes late, and I was thinking of this topic all the while!  And
    I still didn't stop to ask!  It had become a point of honor to find it
    myself.  I felt awfully silly.
    
    Karen.