Conference turris::womannotes-v3

    I'd like a really comfy chair with a footrest, a good reading light, in
    front of a fireplace complete with woodfire, a window to look out of,
    an unending supply of good books (Ursula LeGuin, for starters), and
    
    	t h e   t i m e   t o   r e a d   t h e m ! ! ! 

    ...a subscription to Friendly Woman.

    very serious : a soulmate
    
    serious      : a new job
    
    semi-serious : a new pickup
    
    frivolous    : an electric train 
    
    utterly ridiculous : a ride on the Starship Enterprise (preferably
    with no Borg in sight :-) )
    

    
    
    
    An emerald!!!
    
    
    Better yet, someone to pay off my student loan!!
    
    Mi

    I'd have to go along with the idea of having an all purpose
    cook-cleaner-gardener-plumber-handyperson-phone message
    taker-nanny-shopper-accountant-parental bad guy.  I've been a single
    parent since my daughter was 10 months old (she's 6 now) and I get so
    tired of having to do everything myself as well as never getting a
    break from being the parental bad guy (you know, the one who always
    says "No").
    
    It's not asking for much, is it?  ;-)
    
    Nanci

    Lessee here...to get into law school; to have mega bucks to pay
    for it; to have mega bucks period so I can do all the other stuff
    I can't think of right now, but will as soon as I stop writing this
    reply.                                                  
                                                            
    
    :)Barb

    re .5 You need a wife ! for Xmas :-)

    I always *say* I'd like a maid/housekeeper/butler/gardner/decorator/etc...
    but what I really want is the *time* to do all those things myself, and
    still be able to enjoy my carreer.  Money is nice, but I really don't
    need more (unless someone wants to pick up college tuition for my
    sons).
    
    With *time*, I could spend it with the kids, make bread, clean my
    [somewhat filthy] house, plant a new garden, train the dog better, go
    on long weekend ski-trips, read, relax, chop wood, take a hike, ...
    
    
    -m

    TIME
    
    absolutely!
    
    To pursue ALL of the dreams, thoroughly!!  Writing, Music, Equitation.
    And still raise two boys, clean my room, cook dinner...
    
    RE:  a couple notes back, yes I can relate to being the parental bad-
    person!!!  It would help ease the guilts I get while watching them 
    sleep, when they look so innocent and peaceful!
    
    
    Kim

    re:  Dana
    
    Well - I guess you're right in a way but I'm trying hard not to think
    in terms of stereotypical terms for women.  For the past few years I've
    been saying that I needed a wife but if I were to get remarried I
    wouldn't want anybody to think of me in those terms.  :-)
    
    Nanci
    

    To read =wn= without finding comments about how every point
    anyone makes about women applies to men.
    
    Eileen

	To wake up on New Year's morning to find out that

		"All the nations had agreed to put an end to WAR"

	I have my dreams.

	_peggy

    A new kitchen with LOTS of storage and especially a _really_good_
    _gas_range_ with *two*ovens*.
    
    Lots of light, well laid-out, and aesthetically pleasing to the
    eye.
    
    Also, it should have a door, so I can leave it messy when I want
    to.   :^)
    
    And time to play in it and host more women's feasts, which I haven't
    done in almost a year  :^( 
    
       Margaret

    An all expenses paid trip to WORLDCON 91, and about $1000 to spend
    there.  And a complete new camera outfit - lenses and all - that can
    operate fully manually or fully automatically.
    
    Realistically?  A new winter jacket.  Maybe some jewelry (simple yet
    tasteful, hopefully gold).  
    
    -Jody
    

    
    ...enlightenment.
    
    

    Security!!!

    
    * a hatchet, a real nice one that is real sharp
    * a Garland commercial gas range
    * white leather gloves
    * a soul mate, some one to spend the rest of my life with
    * a new job
    * a new bird feeder
    
    +pat+

    The Feynman Lectures on Physics (paperback is fine :-)

    snow, and new x-c skis
    skates
    my own house

    Answering Machine    Daytimer      Black and Decker Iron
    Countertop grill     Step Tables   Coffee table
    winter blanket       new towels    4 place settings of stainless
    Christmas dishes     sneakers      A Better World a Better You
    Shelf for phone      Stockpot      3 Wastebaskets
    
    And a bird feeder just like my friend +Pat+
    
    BTW I think I have found what I asked Santa for in V2.

    ...for my daughter to believe in Santa for just one more year...
    
    too late.
    
    ok, how bout, for my son to believe in Santa for just one more year...
    
    or, for me to be able to hear the sleigh bell, just once
    	(this refers to _The_Polar_Express_, a wonderful xmas book.
    	 I, a confirmed Jewish girl, couldn't read it to the kids without
    	 a catch in my voice and a tear in my eye.)

    >>...for my daughter to believe in Santa for just one more year...
    
    >>too late.
    
    WHAT DO YOU *MEAN*, TOO LATE?!?!?!?
    
    You don't mean....you *can't* mean......wwWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!
    
    E Grace    
    

    Re: .15
    
    >     ...enlightenment.
    
    Who could ask for anything more?
    
    Mary

>    The Feynman Lectures on Physics (paperback is fine :-)


    They can be borrowed!!  I *know* where some copies are!  

    justme....jacqui

    in re .22
    
    's okay E Grace, don't listen to her, Santa is *real*
    
    hugs
    
    Bonnie

    
    >>'s okay E Grace, don't listen to her, Santa is *real*
    
    sniff....sniff....promise?....sniff....okay...sniff..Snuffle..SNORT!
    
    I'm all better now!
    
    (*8
    
    E Grace

    I'm so glad! :-)
    
    more hugs
    
    Bonnie

    Hey Abby - 
    
    I've got a big ol' sunlamp you could borrow!
    
    ;-)
    
    Nanci

    
    Re -1
    
    Giggle. Snicker :-) :) :) :)
    
    Thanx Nanci....a kind thought!
    'gail

    Well, if I can't get the fancy kitchen, how about a toaster
    that can handle bagels? 
    
    And a dozen roses delivered every week. 
    
       Margaret

    
    
    	serious:  For the gas prices to go down.  My commute just increased
    		  by 25 miles and with the gas prices the way they are I'll
    		  never make it to Christmas!
    
    	semi-serious:  A full length leather coat
    		       A Calvin and Hobbes calendar
    
    	frivolous:  And either Jon Bon Jovi or Kip Winger dumped on my doorstep
    			;)
    
    
    	JJ
    

> Re: .15
    
> >     ...enlightenment.
   
> Who could ask for anything more?
    
> Mary

You've got rhythm? You've got music?

What do I want for Christmas? Hmmm. How about 5000' of untracked powder?

	:-)
	-- Charles

    One of the fretless banjos made by the late Frank Proffitt
    
    
    ...or at least a line on one that's for sale.  :-}

    RE .35 - if real dreaming is legal, I'd go for a Lloyd Loar
    Gibson F-5 mandolin from about 1924.

    (It'd go nicely with my 1921 Vega Senator banjo...)

    for Barb (.6) to get her wishes...
    
    Grins

    health insurance!  Yeah...that's the ticket!
    
    E Grace

    
    	re: Eagle...
    
    	Well actually one of the guys in the office here has one 
    	for 1990 so I've read that one.....thanks for the offer
    	though!  =)
    
    	JJ
    

    A microphone stand
    An amplifier
    One of those neat keyboards that Pilley plays on MTV's "Turn it
         up" (It works sorta like a guitar..)
    A wicked big super-mega-kingsize+ bed that is big enough for the
      4 of us (me, mike, sinaed and omie. I swear the cats take up more
      room than mike or I ever could :-)      
               
    dee

    1.  Someone to come in and clean the house once a week.
    2.  An extra day each weekend.
    3.  Peace
    
    Karen

    1. Round trip airline tickets to visit friends who live far away, 
       like California, Florida and Vancouver, B.C.
    
    2. Get my (most recent) antique ring out of layaway!
    
    3. Matthew Broderick dropped on *my* doorstep!  :-)
       (maybe at my bedroom door so Melissa won't get 
        him first!)
    
    Lorna
    
      

    Christmas List:
    
    1.  Endless patience.
    2.  Someone to clean my house (they way I like it) once a week.
    3.  Time to do my own ironing (I'm a truly fussy person).
    4.  Time to read all the books I've been meaning to get to.
    5.  A 'loaded' checkbook to help pay for my THREE children's college
        tuition.
    6.  Health for my children for the rest of their lives.
    7.  To keep my mind open at all times for new ideas and viewpoints.
    8.  To continually educate myself in order not to become stale,
        or boring.
    9.  Peace & harmony amongst all beings in this world.
    
    Too much to ask for?  Why not?  It's only a wish list.
    
    

    After viewing the 20/20 Program last week:
    
    I want for all the children in those concentration like camps in
    Romania:
    
    1.  to no longer feel pain
    
    2.  to be able to someday SOON feel loved
    
    3.  to be able to have a chance at life!!!!
    
    
    I want for all the nurses and caretakers who are abusing them:
    
    1.  to suffer and then
    
    2.  to die!
    
    and I also want PEACE for all the world, and FOOD for the hungry, and
    SHELTERS for the homeless.
    
    Think I've asked for too much?  I don't it never hurts to ask!
    
    Jackie
    
    ;-)
    

    Actually for Christmas I'd like to adopt a Romanian baby, but
    with two boys in college and a granddaughter due to be born
    before Christmas that will not ever be a fufilled dream.
    
    sigh
    
    Bonnie

    I want the Nelson twins.  Both of them.  At the same time.
    
    If really pushed, and if my daughter catches me, I will sacrifice
    Gunnar to her and keep Matthew for myself.
    
    --bonnie

    --bonnie
    
    if you got seconds would you share?
    
    BJ

    re: .47
    
    I dunno . . . that's asking an awful lot, even for friendship's
    sake . . . 
    
    But then there's a lot to go around, too.
    
    --bonnie

    you are all heart! :-)

    Lower down, Bonnie, lower down . . . 
    
    --bonnie

    --bonnie
    
    I *knew* that, but some things can't be said in a family file :-).
    
    Bonnie

    Hey, you guys, Melissa and I want the Nelson twins, too.
    
    They did say in one interview I read that they share everything.  I
    thought that was interesting.  :-)
    
    Aren't they the cutest things you've ever seen though?
    
    Lorna
    

    Good musicians, too.
    
    --bonnie

    RE ... the last few about the Nelsons ...
    
    Did somebody say (might have been in MENNOTES ...) that women don't
    ogle ?  8^)   
    
    Jerry  (who sez lust is as much a part of good nutrition as fiber !)

    Jerry,
    
    Women in men notes never said they didn't appreciate an attractive
    man, just that they didn't react they way they perceived that men
    do to attractive women.
    
    Bonnie

    thank you Bonnie.

	for NOTES to be a calm supportive place.


	k

    
    
    that's funny kathy, i was just thinking the same thing. unlike you
    though, i have a bit more optimism.
    
    ~robin

	it's hard being an optimist in pessimistic times.


	k

    
    you're right, it is hard - but... never mind. you're right, it is hard.
    
    grugs,
    ~robin

    I ogle.  With lust in my heart, no less.
    
    Though usually just in the privacy of my home or my car.
    
    --bonnie

    re .62, I ogle, too, Bonnie, and I will continue to do so as long as
    I'm alive and can see.
    
    Lorna
    

    A job in Vermont.
    
    Nanci

     
    I'd love the power to split myself in two so that I could get twice as
    much done. One me could clean the house and the other could sleep.
    One me could bath the kids while the other could sleep. One me could
    go get grocery shopping while the other could sleep. Geez. Ya know
    maybe I don't need to split in 2. Maybe I need a good week's sleep.
    
    ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz,
                          kate
        P.S.
    	Sweet dreams

    someone all my own.....that I can love....and who would love just me.

    
    Peace.
    
    No arguing, no regretting of the last years, no regrets
    concerning my moving out from my former boy friends apartment
    and taking a new one of my one.
    
    and I really would love to find my future husband, knowing
    from the first moment that we suit together perfectly, that
    we are GLAD to have found each other and that we know
    that love and marriage needs people who WORK on this and
    not only taking this for granted and doing nothing.
    
    And I would wish that I will forget the 3 years with my former
    boyfriend, being able to have a new relationship (hopefully
    the last one and ending in a happy marriage) without 
    thinking of the last one.
    
    Carina

    re .66, .67, .68, it's so depressing to see how many single women wish
    they could meet a compatible, etc., man!!!!  There are so many of us
    single women and not enough desirable men to go around!
    
    Lorna
    

re: .70:

Lorna -

Your wording is interesting, how would you define a desirable man?

Grins,

clark_wanted_by_some,_and_not_by_others...

ps - Jody, should I start Ironing my shirts again??

    re: .71
    
    nah, don't change a hair for me!  You're pervect just the way you are!
    par*tic*ularly in Renn faire garb....
    
    -Jody
    

    Hmmm...Lorna, I haven't noticed this overabundance of single females, 
    myself.  Please, pray tell, where are they?  
    
    :-)
    
    D!, not a competitor :-)

    
    Wouldn't any free "desirable" man not only be looking for an
    abundance of single female, but an abundance of *desirable* single
    females?
    
    Cuts both ways, I would guess....
    Otherwise it sounds like these lonesome wmn are looking for a
    "desirable" man (whatever that is - seems to imply some qualitative
    stuff) but men are looking for anyone free....
    
    Or maybe that's the way it is?
    (Maybe we should go to the Rathole....)
    'gail
    

Those single people (i.e. both women and men) that have difficulty finding an
"acceptable" partner generally have set their criteria too high.

Why do people look for someone more perfect than themselves?

Rich

  re: .76
  Are you saying that people should settle for what they consider to
  be second or third or fourth rate in relationships?

    
    Re .76
    It emerged, in a discussion in HU_REL I think, that when people
    described their "perfect person" they often seemed to describe
    a perception that they would aspire to themselves.
    That is, they described to an extent how *they* would like to be seen.
    
    Maybe that has something to do with it?
    'gail
    

    
    	1.  I want my dad's doctors to be WRONG.	
    
    	2.  A Sales Support position @CRO (if I can't have item #1).
    
    	3.  A never-ending gift certificate for a really good bookstore.
    
    Miriam

    Since I seemed to start this with my .66 I think I want to interject
    something here.....I agree with you, Rich, that many times people do
    set too high standards for themselves, but also feel strongly that all
    too often people (in general, male or female) don't give themselves an
    opportunity to take enough time, casual time, to get to know someone
    for who and what they are before deciding it's a "No Go".....An initial
    encounter may not offer everything that one would hope to find, but in
    my late husband, I initially thought "I'll never date a bald man..."
    but I learned to know him, and love all the other things that were the
    best of him.  We married and were totally happy until the day he died. 
    If I had done, as is so often done, and said"No thanks" after our
    initial encounter I would have missed out on one of the dearest and
    best people I have ever known.  So, I think what I'm trying to say is,
    sometimes we don't overset our requirements, but we never get that
    chance to know someone or for him/her to get to know us.....That, I
    think is what bothers me more about now in my life than anything...

    (I tried to move this diversion to the rathole, but I failed.)
    
    re .80
    
    Yes, you understand what I am talking about.  By discarding your
    "requirement" for a full head of hair you found someone exceptional
    that you would have otherwise overlooked.
    
    Rich

    To gain 10 lbs.
    
    To get pregnant and not miscarry again.
    
    But, most of all, I want friends.  I seem to have lost 'em all somehow.
    
    -Mary

    A certain someone in a red ribbon!
    
    Awwww c'mon Santa, its not TOO much to ask!!
    
    Kim

    re: .84
    
    your tree or mine!
    
    

    
    ... an out of body experience for the next month.
    
    Carla
    

    
    	Peace in the middle East.
    
    	My teenaged son is signed up for the "potential" draft.  There's
    	talk of actually starting it up if the crisis in Iraq ends up in
    	a war.  It's something I've been dreading could happen since my
    	baby was born toward the end of the Vietnam War.
    
    	Please - let's work it out over there.
    
    	Peace for the holidays (and beyond.)
    

    
    i'm with you suzanne!
    

    Ohmygod...I never thought of that!  My brother is (um, muble, er...)
    almost 17...the thought had never crossed my mind that he would
    be "eligible" soon.
    
    Not that I wanted a war before, but now I'm doubly against it.
    
    Add that to my Christmas list.
    
    D!

    A trip to Seattle.  Mmmmmmm.
    
    Martha

    
    	Ditto to the past few.  I was thinking about it yesterday
    	and 98% of the men I'm close to are of eligible age....
    	sigh.....my brother being the first at 19...
    

    
    Believe me I don't know anybody in the military (including myself) who
    actually wants to "go black" in the gulf.
    
    But if President Saddam believes, or comes to believe, that public
    sentiment will stop the Western nations using force to get him out of
    Kuwait then he'll just stay there for evr with a smug little smile on
    his face working out who to roll over next (after all he has imperial
    "historical claims" dating back to the Assyrian empire on most of the
    Middle East).
    
    Hitler played these sort of bluffs and until he attacked Poland nobody
    was prepared to call him: Saddam may be expected to do likewise until
    somebody objects forcefully to his knocking over the next domino. Worse
    if the US, UK and France walk away from this one he will gain great
    face, and become de facto what he has always wanted to be: effective
    leader of the Arab-Islamic world.
    
    He may not be a very nice guy, but he has proved himself a damn fine
    poker player: the time is approaching for us all to see the cards ...
    
    Note that his terms for "talking" are that "the Israeli-Palestine issue
    be top of the agenda" - and if he manages to get talks on that basis
    then he can withdraw from Kuwait still knowing that he has won and
    Anmerica is no longer a factor in Middle East politics.
    
    I shan't continue in this string - I note on this topic in other more
    appropriate fora - but I will say this one last time that this isn't
    about oil - nor about Texaco - nor about western economies. It is about
    a direct attempt to take overall political control of the Middle East,
    and then - and only then - to bring the Infidels of the West down. If
    we don't face him down now then in five years he may control Saudi
    Arabia and the rest of Gulf and after this there won't be a thing we in
    the West can do to stop him short of all out nuclear war (it is however
    a very good scenario for using neutron bpmbs so if we back away now we
    should restart development...)
    
    /. Ian .\