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    Maggie, Evelyn was "suppose" to be in charge while Mikey was running
    around the country telling everyone about the Mass miracle.. She did
    sign a few things as "gov" while he was out of the state...
    SHE is a LOSER!!, Everyone is seeing that now with her trying to do
    something about her campaign. The Duke will be back soon and kill
    everything she said she would do. Her "trail as Governor" is a joke and
    it will make Silber a better choice as a candidate...

    REK

    
    	Sorry, Rick.  I'm with Maggie.
    
    	If I could vote in Massachusetts, I'd go for Evelyn.  I sincerely
    	hope she makes it.
    

    Sorry ladies, I'm with REK (well perhaps I wouldn't call her
    a loser, but I truely don't feel she's effective or credible)
    
    cmr

    I can only report my judgement.
    
    She wasn't in charge of the government during Dukakis's campaign, Rick. 
    Don't you remember his boast about how he decided to continue running
    the state because he didn't want The Miracle to fall apart?  The
    implication, of course, was that Evelyn would screw everything up if
    she took control.  No, this is her very first shot at exercising power.

    i'm with maggie on this one.....
    
    the duke refused to give up power.  in fact, while he
    was away, didn't he appoint some underling to take care of
    business, jumping the person over evelyn?  i remember
    reading about it in the globe, but don't remember specifics.
    

    .5,
    
    No the "duke" couldn't have done such a thing.  Had Murphy wanted to
    take over (when the "duke" was away), Neither snow nor sunshine could
    have stopped her.  However, it is true that it would have been
    political suicide for Murphy to do anything drastic during duke's
    presidential quest.
    
    Alf
                                                              

    One 'funny' thing - the Duke campaigned on the strength of the
    'Mass. Miracle'. Now he's deriding MS. Murphy for campaigning
    on the basis of the State economy. What a hypocrite. I still
    think Murphy should have the gonads to _quit_ and devote her all
    time to her campaign. (Then again, she _has_ quite effectively
    disassociated herself from MD. :-) )

    
    re .1
    
>    SHE is a LOSER!!
    
    What an outburst, REK!  You're obviously ruled by your right-wing
    *emotions* and can't discuss this rationally (like the rest of us).
    

    
    
    As most of you probably know by now, I've been working on Murphy's
    campaign for over a year.  Catherine and I signed up the day after
    the Webster Decision was announced (last 4th of July weekend) because
    we realized that the Webster Decision meant that states could enact
    their own abortion laws without much federal intervention, and that
    meant that it really mattered who the governor is.  I chose Murphy
    mainly because even though other candidates have identified themselves
    as pro-choice since the beginning of this election season, Murphy has
    a strong pro-choice history that goes way back.  She was pro-choice
    before it was the popular political stance.
    
    Last Wednesday (when the story of Evelyn's "coup" was in the news,
    I was very discouraged.  "What could she be thinking of?" I thought.
    I later learned (and this from someone inside the Lt. Gov's office,
    not a campaign staffer) that Bellotti had been trying to get Dukakis
    to cancel or delay his trip to Europe (this was reported in the Globe,
    too).  Bellotti feared that the free press would give Evelyn too much
    momentum going into the primary.  Early last week Dukakis asked Murphy
    to "promise" that she wouldn't do ANYTHING while he was gone.  She
    refused.  The Dukakis people went to the press and said that Murphy
    THREATENED to take action behind Dukakis' back.  The point I'm trying to
    make is that all the media suggested that Murphy initiated this
    so-called "coup" when in fact it was Dukakis (under the Bellotti
    campaign's advice, as I understand it) who brought it up in the first
    place.
    
    As I see it, the Bellotti/Dukakis plan to discredit Murphy backfired.
    The reaction to Murphy's proposals has been largely positive.  I think
    that Murphy is back in this thing, and I'm very encouraged.
    
    The press has been saying that Murphy supporters are turning to
    Bellotti to beat Silber.  I don't think that's true, though, some
    undecided voters may have let the "stop Silber" idea pull them
    toward Bellotti.  I honestly believe that if everyone who is strongly
    pro-choice and who supports Murphy (She has the endorsement of NOW,
    Mass Teacher's Association, some environmental groups, nurses, gay
    rights' groups, and others) gets out and votes for her next Tuesday,
    we'll win.  Maybe some luke-warm Bellotti supporters will decide to
    vote for Murphy now that she's gaining new support and recovering some
    of the ground she lost this summer, when her opponents outspent her on 
    TV Ads.
    
    Justine (Please contact me if you're interested in working on the
             Murphy campaign during this final stretch to the primary.
             I'm going to be at Faneuil Hall tomorrow after work holding 
             a sign before the big debate -- Ch 7, 7:30 to 9:00)
    

Well, there are rumors going around today that Murphy will be dropping
out of the guv's race.  She's supposed to having a press conference at
2:00 to announce this.  Has anyone else heard or read about this?

-Hamp

    
    I think it's impossible.  If anything she's got more of a chance at it
    now that ever before!
    
    Justine
    
    where did you hear this rumor?  I'm curious to know how these things
    start.

    I heard it also.
    
    Bonnie

    I hope not, I'm not crazy 'bout her but compared to Silber
    and Bellotti...

I heard it on the radio this afternoon.  I am currently listening to WRKO
which is going to carry the press conference live.  Should be starting soon.


-Hamp

Well, it's official.  Murphy dropped out to confirmed that her actions as of
late as acting guv is not a political ploy.  She will continue her role as
Lt. guv and as acting guv to implement her ideas.

-Hamp

    
    It's true.  I just heard the press conference.  I'm in shock and sadder
    than I've been in a long time.
    
    Justine

    
    Well, that leaves us with just Grover and the cookie monster, I
    guess...now that Big Bird is gone.

    Oh, SH*T!  Now who's left?  To demo candidates I wouldn't cross the
    street to vote for (one's too slick and the other's too snide), and two 
    repub candidates that sound like Frick and Frack.  Any suggestions for 
    a pro-choice, balanced-budget, get-the-fat-out-but-leave-the-necessities 
    voter?
    
    Is it too late to throw my hat into the ring?
    
    Karen

    Wow, this s*cks!  I really thought she had a chance.  Does this
    mean I have to vote republican?
    	Linda

    re:-.18
    
    Karen, with the remaining candidates, you'd have my vote.

    Uh... Folks.  Could you tell us just what is so bad about Belotti and
    Silbur.
    
    Alf

She *dropped out*???  She seemed so *positive* and full of energy at the 
fundraiser on Saturday.

:-(

Now who?!?!

D!

    Well, what I know about Silber is that he imposed some really
    ridiculous restrictions on BU students.
    
    Like no overnight guests of the opposite sex.  Not even if they're
    siblings.  You can have a same-sex sibling with permission.
    
    Come on!!!!!!  These people are old enough to vote and go off to war
    and get married, but they can't have their boy/girlfriend stay
    overnight!!!?????  As if they couldn't have sex during the day!!!!
    Or before 11pm!!!!!  And the sibling rule!!!!!!
    
    He also vehemently objected to the idea of condom machines on campus.
    This is college!!!!!!   This is the real world!!!!!  People have
    sex!!!!
    
    Not everyone is conservative!!!!!
    
    BTW, Silber also made statements during his campaign that offended just
    about everyone.
    
    
    As for Bellotti, I was always under the impression that he was a hack.
    
    Lisa

    I like Bill Weld. He's a hell of a sight better than the rest of the
    lot.
    
    Kate
    
    'cept I'm a Democrat and it's too late to change to Independant in
    order to vote in the Rep. primary. d@mn! If he takes the primary 
    I'll vote for him over anyone.
    
    

    Until August, I was eligible to vote in Mass.  I was registered as an
    Independent (and will always remain so!) but could vote in either of
    the major party primaries.  All I had to do was ask for one ballot or
    the other.  After I voted, I had to fill out a card re-establishing my
    Independent registration, since the setup is that by voting in a
    party's primary, you 'select' that party for your registration unless
    you state otherwise.  I _always_ made sure to fill out the card!
    
    			-who needs the slogan on the liscence plate?-

    
    Well, I *am* registered as an independant (always do, just in case :-)
    I had intended to vote in the democratic primary and vote for Murphy. 
    Now I'll be voting republican (for the first time in my life!) and
    voting for Weld.  If the state race comes down to a Pierce/Silber
    choice, _my_ choice will be to move to another state.  For real.
    
    						/Rita
    

    
    	I've never heard anything bad about Belotti. I thought Murphy and
    	Bellotti were of almost the same mold, and that people just
    	supported Murphy because they felt more comfortable with a woman
    	having the positions both her and Belotti had.
    
    	I assumed that all Murphey supporters would not unhappily become
    	Beloiti supporters now. Their stance on issues were almost equal.
    	Both have a favorable record on women's and other liberal issues.
    
    	Why the bad feelings for Belotti?
    
    	-Erik

    Re:9 Hey Sullivan.... Like I said Ev is a LOSER!!!!
    
    REK
    
    AT least she knew when to quit.......

    
    re:.30
    totally uncalled for
    

    Re:30 BULL, its about time voters looked through the Duke's skirt
    to see what Ev really stood for. That is the reason why she dropped
    out. 
    
    REK
    
    Pierce is next.....

    I owe Sullivan my deepest apology.... I *didn't check the reply
    number... it should have been directed at Gugel......
    for reply 363.8.......

    I am sorry.

    REK

    
    Apology accepted, Mr. King (any relation to Ed)?  As some of you who
    know me might be able to guess, I'm taking this abrupt end to Evelyn's
    campaign pretty hard, and I'm really not ready to talk about it yet, so
    I won't be contributing to this topic for a while.  I would appreciate
    it if folks could be a little gentle with me, but I know that them's
    the breaks, and if non-Murphy supporters want to gloat, that is their
    right.
    
    I see no need for name calling or throwing harsh words like "BULL"
    around here, though.  Let's cool it.  And those of us who are ready to 
    look ahead can talk about the next step.
    
    Justine
           

    Sigh.  I've worked for enough losing campaigns (in fact, I've *never*
    worked for a winning campaign) to know it doesn't feel good to lose.
    As bad as that feels, I imagine that it feels worse to see the candidate
    drop out just before the election.
    
    In the meantime, my advice is to ignore the clods who bash you with the
    news.  (And they will, some people *love* to gloat!)  Stop wondering if
    it all was just a waste of time (it *never* is a waste of time). And
    don't make any decisions about who you'll support for a few days.
    Maybe even tape the debate tonight as you watch it - if you watch it
    at all.  You might find that if you re-watch it this weekend, you'll
    see something entirely different.  If you've taped any other debates,
    consider watching those as well in a few days.
    
    
    Primary season is the time you can find that candidate that's a great
    match to all that you want in an candidate.  That's why you've been
    working for them.  Nobody else comes close.  You keep comparing the
    remaining candidates to your candidate, and you don't like what you
    see.  When you start comparing the remaining candidates to *each
    other*, you'll probably find your decision easier to make.
    
    								-mr. bill

    re REK, .30, .32, etc.
    
    I rest my case - that some men just get too emotionally upset in
    the political arena.  They should get out.
    

    I rest my case, she is a LOSER and quit when she realized that
    no matter what she did there just was no hope. WOMEN who get
    emotionally upset in the political arena should be able to
    take the good with the bad... in this case Ev usin her political
    office to try and gain ther Gov's office. She got caught, her own party
    abandon her, ther was NOTHING left for her to do but jump off a sinking
    ship and jump aboad a faster boat... the front runner...
    Talk about jumping on the bandwagon........
    
    REK

    REK,
    
    I have to tell you that I find your notes very abusive.  I do not
    need to have your opinion stuffed down my throat with a telephone
    pole.  If you don't think Ms Murphy is qualified, fine.  Just *say*
    that, please!  As far as I am concerned, no-one who gets out of bed
    every day is a "loser".
    
    E Grace

    
    re:.32
    i couldn't possibly care less about your political opinions.
    your remarks, however, are singularly insensitive.
    

    It will be interesting to watch the debate on TV (either channel 4 or 5
    in Boston) tonight.  Maybe the candidates will finally *say* something,
    rather than just slinging insults and accusations. 
    
    One point that was made on NPR that makes sense to me, is that Murphy
    saw that a 3-person race may well have split the liberal vote in
    Silber's favor.
    
    Judi
    

    >Maybe the candidates will finally *say* something, rather than just
    >slinging insults and accusations. 
    
    	Don't hold your breath...
    
    					andrew                     

    I'm really sad about Evelyn dropping out before we even have
    the election.  I was full of enthusiasm at the fund raiser 
    Saturday.  Wore my Evelyn button to church with an outfit 
    color coordinated to the button!!
   
    Monday I called a friend in Harvard, who was at the convention
    as a Murphy supporter, to get some bumper stickers.  Then I 
    read the bad news in this file.  I haven't had the heart to 
    call him back, and he hasn't returned the call - probably
    for the same reason.
    
    I suppose that if she believed that her campaign could give
    Silber a serious chance, her decision is reasonable.  Or if
    she really didn't have a hope of raising enough money, why 
    bankrupt herself and her friends?  It's hard to make a realistic
    decision in a competitive situation.  Sort of like deciding to
    no-bid a customer opportunity when you know the Digital 
    solution is the best, but there isn't a hope of convincing the
    customer.

    Well, I'll listen to the debate tonight, and try to figure out
    how to use my voting privileges in the primary.  
    
    Pat

    

    <---regarding Bellotti= Murphy
    
    Bellotti, from what I understand supported anti-choice legislation at
    some point in his career. Something about the parental consent thing.
    He turned coat for the sake of popular opinion. He's a player. A pro-
    fessional politician. I would vote for him over Pierce, though, because
    of the choice issue. Taking away basic rights is VERY offensive to me.
    I could NEVER vote for Pierce.
    
    Regarding Bill Weld: 
    
    No one ever said Republicans had to be anti-rights. I think that's a
    relatively new thing that came about dudring those wonderful Ronnie
    years. At one time the Democrats were slow regarding acceptance of
    women and minorities. (remember Wallace?) 
    
    Kate

    re .40
    
    Looks like it was the same old stuff last night; the candidates hurling
    accusations at each other and not saying much of anything.
    
    Heard last night that there are more independents than democrats and
    republicans in the state.  No surprise here.
    
    Now that the democratic race is 2-way, it will be interesting to see
    how it goes.  If Weld would stop whining, I'd like to listen to what he
    has to say.
    
    It will be interesting to see what Murphy's next move will be, after
    the election.
    
    Judi
    

	There is a BIG difference between Belotti and Murphy (did I spell
	both names correctly?).  I am an Independent and will probably 
	vote for Weld - though I am not sure that I will vote for the
	Govenor's position at all - I might write in Murphy's name anyway.

	Been feeling a little depressed since hearing the news.

	_peggy

  RE: Another topic...

    See what I mean?  More votes non-cast for Pierce!

                                   Atlant

    What do you all know that I don't???                                 
                                                                         
    Belotti has always been a staunch supporter of women's issues. It    
    fits into his personal "value differences" viewpoint that he has     
    always operated under. What's the complaint with his longtime        
    support of women's and other liberal issues?? The people I know in   
    feminist groups all feel comfortable with Belotti, as does Evelyn 
    herself.  
                                                                         
    I have never even heard of this Weld person until several weeks ago.  
    He may be OK on women's issues but he hasn't proven anything yet. Why   
    the jump to this unknown Weld?? Would people really feel comfortable 
    entrusting liberal issues into the hands of the Republican party?    
                                                                         
    -Erik  
    
    PS- I liked Belotti last night. His only detracting factor was that he
    didn't look very attractive sweating like crazy and not wiping it off
    [did anyone else feel the continual urge to wipe the sweat off your TV
    screen :-)] I trust what he says, I somehow feel it comes from the 
    heart. The downside of which, his closing statement wasn't as smooth
    as when Silber launched into his memorized speech. But in general, I
    feel like Belotti is a person committed to public good, not self
    interest.  Again, what is Weld's history and how long has he been
    involved with liberal issues and causes?                                                               
                    

    
    Here we go again, calling the woman by her first name, the men by their
    last...
    
    What *can* it mean?
    
    D.

    re .49, still I *prefer* being called by my first name.  I hate to be
    called by my last name as though I were a man.  ;^)
    
    Maybe everyone should be called by their first names?
    
    Lorna
    

    > What *can* it mean?
    
    For me personally, it means that I was a strong Evelyn Murphy
    supporter and that I felt comfortable with Evelyn. I am now recently
    becoming more familiar with Frank Belotti but do not feel comfortable
    enough or close enough to him to call him Frank yet.
    
    It could also have been a Freudian slip indicating that subconsciously
    I am more comfortable around women than men, but looking it again, I
    think it was more of being used to Evelyn. IE, I also call Ted Kennedy
    'Ted' and Harvey Milk 'Harvey'.
    
    I understand the women's issue but that's not the case here...
    
    -Erik

Why is Belotti's sweating important?   Is this a deoderant commercial?

Martin.

    re .52, I know, it's actually beginning to make me feel sorry for him. 
    (Reminds me of what happened to the guy in "Broadcast News")  Bellotti
    may get a "sympathy vote" from me now. :-)
    
    Lorna
    

    
    re .48:
    
    Bellotti was in favor of the parental consent law regarding underage
    women obtaining abortions.  If that's someone's idea of being
    *for* women, I'd hate to see what it means to be against women!
    

    Belloti appears to have a fine instinct for 'don't rock the boat'.
    I'd prefer a person of strong convictions who lets the chips fall.

    Weld is rather obscure, his biggest claim to fame is that he resigned
    as Assistant U.S. Attorney General in '88 to protest the actions
    of his boss, Edwin Meese III. He is (nominally) pro-choice, which
    sets him apart from Pierce. Pierce is also noted for opposing 
    condom education in schools, and gays as foster parents.

    .49
    
    Hi Dorian!
    
    You know, except for Frank, I don't even know the other candidates'
    *first* names?  Now what does that mean!?
    
    maia
    

    
    Dorian and I talked some time ago about this issue of calling Evelyn by 
    her first name and the men by their last (sometimes first and last) names.
    I usually refer to Evelyn as "Evelyn," and I felt a little defensive
    when Dorian raised the issue with me.  "Well, I work on her campaign
    and actually know her," I thought in my defense.  
    
    But as I thought more about it... I remember when I first got involved
    in her campaign -- this was early, before she announced, even.  Folks
    around the campaign and in the media (when they mentioned her at all)
    called her Evelyn.  It made me uncomfortable.  It seemed disrespectful.
    I referred to her has Lt. Governor Murphy, or the Lieutenant Governor.
    It bothered me to call her Evelyn.  And even worse!  They had buttons
    that said "Ev!"  "Oh, we're on a nickname basis with the Lt. Governor
    now?" I wondered.  But gradually my resistance wore down, and I began
    referring to her as and calling her Evelyn.  But why is that?  
    
    It's been my understanding that part of her strategy was to appear
    accessible.  At supporter meetings she would say how on the day after
    she got sworn in as governor, she wanted us to come to her office, put
    our feet up on the desk, and talk to her about how we thought things
    should be, because "this is a partnership," she said.  But maybe that
    familiarity hurt her.  And maybe it really was part of the sexism that
    I think is responsible for the end of this campaign.  I mean, some
    people refer to John Silber as "the Doctor" or "Dr. Silber," but
    they're both PHDs...
    
    Justine

    re .57 That sort of thing hurt Jimmy (not 'James') Carter, too.

    
    My feeling is, there's more of a tendency to refer to women as if they were
    children, and to men as if they were adults. To me it's a subtle, often
    subconscious, way of not taking women seriously.
    
    Dorian 

    
    re .59
    
    Yes, I think that's it.  The wifeandkids, like womenandchildren.
    
    Maybe it's a step forward, though.  We used to refer to women only by
    their husband's names.  "Dr. and Mrs ___."  If a woman takes her
    husband's last name in marriage, I feel more comfortable using her
    first name since that's really hers.  Of course, Murphy is (to the
    best of my knowledge) Evelyn Murphy's birth name, so the argument
    doesn't really hold there...
    
    Justine

    Big sigh.
    
    I guess I'm glad I don't get to vote in Mass. any more.
    
    I'd probably vote in the Republican primary against the guy I liked
    least, and then vote Democratic, and probably write-in for Murphy.
    That's *Evelyn* Murphy. A woman. And the heretofore Best Person for
    the Job. 
    
    Having taught junior high school phys. ed. for years, the tone of
    certain of the notes in this string reminds me very much of the taunting
    one observes among the Young Gentlemen of the Junior High persuasion.
    They simply *love* to dump on each other: "You *LOSER*" "You *WOMAN*."
    The two biggest insults a 13-year-old male can throw. (Well, except for
    "You *PUSSY*" , I guess.)
    
    
    --DE
    

    Hey, don't feel too bad...she wasn't even *in* the race, and she
    got 3% of the votes (last time I looked)! ;-)

    I'm impressed; I didn't think she'd get more than 1%.
    
    Jim