Conference turris::womannotes-v3

What did Saint Thersa of Avili [sp?] and Ignatius Loyola do? They were Gertrude
Stein's favorite saints, and I'm wondering why.
	Mez

    Mez,
    
    I think Loyola founded the Jesuits.
    
    						Ann B.

    
    This is the most suitable place I can find to ask this.  It has been
    bugging me for a long time but I never got around to asking.  What is a
    "SO"?  As in "my SO said.....".  I thought of all sorts of things like
    "sweet other, son of...., second one".
    
    		Holly

    Re: -.1
    
    G'Day Holly,
    
    	The generally accepted definition of 'SO' is Significant Other. 
    There are a few others but this is the main one.
    
    	See you in V3 heh?
    
    David.
    

    Re: .4
    
    >	See you in V3 heh?
    
    Silly me!  This is V3.  I could have sworn I openned V2.
    
    David.
    

    re: 30.1 by Mez
    
    >>What did Saint Theresa of Avila and Ignatius Loyola do?
    
    Theresa de Jesus lived in the early 15th century, just before
    Ferdinand and Isabella.  She was one of the great mystics,
    reformed the Carmelite order of contemplative nuns/monks, and
    traveled over Spain founding new convents despite poor health.  I
    think she's a Doctor of the Church, but maybe a Catholic Noter
    knows for sure.
    
    Probably what Gertrude Stein liked about her is her personality. 
    Theresa wrote several books - mostly spiritual guides to help the
    members of her convents.  They are excellent on the religious
    life, but at the same time, Theresa's personality comes through
    with a force completely untouched by 500 years.  She was
    completely common_sense and practical - Theresa starts off "The
    Dwelling_Places of the Soul" grumbling about how God shouldn't
    expect her to write a book when she's feeling tired and sick
    without also giving her the desire and interest to write it.
    
    There's a story about how she met some potential young nuns at the
    convent door.  They were all starry_eyed at the idea of devoting
    their lives to God and Theresa says
    
    "We don't need any more saints here - just lots of strong arms."
    
    Spanish public television did a series on her life which is
    excellent...although I needed to watch it three times to decipher
    the Spanish!  If they ever translate it to English, I recommend it
    wholeheartedly.
 
    St. Theresa's fan club,
    Kathy

    There's a St. Theresa story [I don't know for sure if it is *this* St.
    Theresa, but it sure sounds like it] that I love and have quoted many
    times:
    
    	St. Theresa set off on a teaching trip with a mule and a cart.  At
    	some point she got so thoroughly stuck in the mud that nothing she
    	and the mule could do would budge it.  Standing by the cart, she
        shook her fist at the heavens and said "If this is the way You
        treat your friends, no wonder You don't have any!"
    
    Briana
    who calls God the Holy Creep 

    When I try to spawn from a procedure file, I typically get the message
    that my "Terminal has associated mailbox.  Terminate image and then
    spawn".  I think sometimes it says "...and restart batch procedure"
    instead, but I could be confused.  Anyway, I can't find any
    documentation on how to terminate mailbox images.  Calling the mail
    utility and quitting out works, but not if I put the call as the first
    line in the procedure file, so there's something else going on.
          

    The mailbox associated with the "terminal" probably has nothing 
    to do with the mail utility. Mailbox is a VMS term for places in
    memory used for interprocess communication. I suspect that your
    command file is running some image that creates a mailbox. Calling
    the mail utility *after* that image probably is terminating the
    other image and cleaning out the mailbox. That's why running mail
    before that image runs doesn't do anything.
    
    		Alfred

=maggie,

	Programs that do broadcast trapping (TPU, NOTES, or anything else
along those lines) use a VMS mailbox.  SPAWN uses mailboxes to communicate
between the terminal (which is actually owned buy the parent process) and
the subprocess.  A terminal can only have one associated mailbox at at time.

	I'd be willing to look at the procedure if you'd like.  Also, I would
need to know how you invoke the procedure when it gives you these errors.

						--D

    You and Alfred have tipped me off to what was going on, Doug.  It was
    the fact that I typically ^Y out of jobs, so it was the "mailbox"
    belonging to the interruped image that was still hanging around.  Now
    that I do a "stop" in between, it works a treat.
    
    						=maggie

    =maggie
    
    I've encountered the same problem but don't quite understand the
    explaination..
    
    do you type 'stop' at the $?
    
    bj

=maggie,

	You should really EXIT, rather than STOP.  EXIT lets the interrupted
image's exit handlers execute. STOP doesn't.

						--D

    Yeah, Bonnie:  $ stop  (or as Doug says, $ exit).

    I don't think standard VMS can help you in the first case since the DIR
    command doesn't have a /SORT option.  DECwindows FILEVIEW can probably
    (I'm at home on my CCT, so I can't check) give you sort-by-date if you
    have a workstation.  For non-workstation users, I have a full-screen
    directory utility called FSD (copy WAYLAY::FSD$KITS:FSDV3.KIT, expand
    it as a backup saveset and @BUILD_FSD) that can be set up to sort by
    date.  Realize also that a file has 4 dates (creation, modification,
    backup, expiration) and the default for DIR/DATE is the creation date.
    DIR/SINCE/MODIFIED/DATE=MOD (/MODIFIED applies to /SINCE, DATE=MOD says
    display the modification date) is probably more in line with what you
    want.
    
    Does PRINT/HEADER give you what you need for the second one. I don't
    remember if it gives everything you asked for.
    
    							--Doug

    Thanks for the tips, Doug.  I'd forgotten that aspect of Fileview,
    which I haven't used much up to now for lack of a VAXstation (but now
    that I've upgraded my Mac's memory I should be using DECWindows much
    more, with MacX)...  :-)
    
    I'd looked at HELP PRINT/HEADER and found its apparently useful
    purpose, but that purpose is not realized at least when I print a text
    file to my LPS40$UPRINT queue; no difference in the printout compared
    with the default /NOHEADER argument.  I recall vaguely that perhaps
    this option is transmogrified into separator PAGES when you append
    multiple print jobs together...  But that doesn't help you when you're
    leafing thru a large listing, or if you :-( drop the pages and mix them
    up...   
    
    What's the proper notesfile venue for asking dumb questions like this?

    You could ask in the PRINTSERVER conference (used to be on REGENT, but
    I don't follow it any more) and ask why the translator fumbles /HEADER.
    
    General questions about functionality in VMS can go in VMSNOTES.
    
    						--D

    Another good conference for information like this is MEIS::HACKERS -
    it's a great place for picking up nifty stuff.  Also - another vote
    for FSD - easy to use, and faster that poking around.
    
    Linda

I have a couple of programs that I use for printing:

-- linepr prints one or more files with a header line and line numbering.

-- pslist takes a collection of files and prints them on a Postscript
   printer (LPS40) two pages to a sheet of paper.

Contact me offline for pointers to the code.  They run on VMS and/or Ultrix.

Martin.

    
    
    	While out riding today I came across an "International
    	Food Fair" where I had some rice covered with a wonderful
    	yogurt sauce.  In the sauce was tomatoes, cucumber, and
    	perhaps cilantro.  I believe this was an Indian dish.
    
    	Does anyone have a recipe for this sauce or know what
    	it is called?
    
    						nancy b.
    

Try some variation on the following:

		Turkish Cucumbers in Yoghurt
2 cucumbers
coarse salt
1 cup plain yoghurt
2 cloves garlic, minced
fresh ground black pepper
1 tbsp fresh chopped dill or mint

Peel cucumbers and slice thinly.  Salt and let them stand for half an hour
(to draw off water).  Pat them dry with paper towels. Mix other ingredients,
correct seasoning, and pour over the cucumbers.  Toss well and serve chilled.

Try the same technique with the following ingredients

2 cucumbers
coarse salt
1/2 cup yoghurt
1 tbsp lemon juice
1 clove garlic
fresh ground black pepper
fresh chopped mint or basil.

From Moira Hodgson, "The Hot and Spicy Cookbook"  McGraw Hill, 1977.

    Martin, that sounds *awful*!
    
    I'm going right out to the store. :-)

    If the yogurt was cold, it sounds like some kind of Raita or Pachadi.
    Here is a recipe from Julie Sahni's "Classic Indian Cooking" (good book
    - buy it!) I can't find a rice/yoghurt/cucumber/tomato dish, but my
    guess is that it was Raita over rice.
    
    Cucumber and Yogurt Salad
    (Kheere ka Raita)
    
    Serves 4-6
    
    2 medium sized cucumbers (about 1 1/2 lbs) [try to get young tender cukes]
    1 medium-sized ripe tomato
    1 green chili, seeded and sliced (optional)
    1 1/2 cups plain yogurt
    1/2 cup sour cream
    1/2 teaspoon ground roasted cumin seeds
    2 tablespoons finely chopped fresh mint or coriander leaves (cilantro) or
    	2 tablespoons dry mint leaves (optional)
    1/2 teaspoon Kosher salt
    
    Peel the cucumbers and cut them in half. If the seeds look hard and
    mature, scrape them out with a spoon and discard. Using the coarse blade
    of the grater or a food processor, grate the cucumbers into a bowl.
    [I've also used very thinly sliced cucumbers to good effect - CEH]
    
    Wash the tomato and wipe dry. Cut it in quarters ad using a spoon
    scrape out the pulp with the seeds (reserve them for some other use).
    Slice the tomato into thin shreds and add them to the bowl.
    
    Slit, seed, and shred the chili and add to the bowl.
    
    Combine the yogurt, sour cream, cumin, and coriander leaves in another
    bowl abd mix thoroughly. (The vegetables and yogurt mixtures can be
    prepared several hours in advance and refrigerated separately until
    needed. If dry mint is used, advance preparation is essential to allow
    the yogurt to absorb the flavor of the mint.)
    
    When ready to serve, stir the salt and prepared vegetables into the
    yogurt mixture. Salt to taste and transfer to a serving bowl. Sprinkle
    with additional cumin if desired [I always do - CEH]
    
    	-- Charles

Found another recipe in the Time-Life "Middle-East" cookbook.  This is
roughly translated from my Swedish copy:

Mast va Khiar (Iran): Yoghurt, vegetable, and herb salad

1 medium cucumber
2 tbsp finely diced green pepper
2 tbsp finely diced leek, with 5 cm green included
2 tbsp finely chopped fresh tarragon or 1 tbsp dried tarragon
1 tbsp finely chopped fresh dill or 1 tsp dried dill
1/2 tsp fresh-squeezed lemon juice
salt
1 cup non-sweetened yoghurt.

Peel cucumber, split in two lengthwise.  Use a spoon to remove the seeds.
Chop fine and put in a deep bown.  Add the other ingredients (except
the yoghurt) and mix well.  Add the yoghurt and mix so the ingredients
are mixed together.  Chill at least one hour (covered with foil) before
serving.

Also, you might look in an Indian cookbook for "Raita" (unsweetened
yoghurt drink).

Martin.

    Re: .25
    
    > Also, you might look in an Indian cookbook for "Raita"
    
    Or you could look at .24 :-)
    
    > (unsweetened yoghurt drink).
    
    You are possibly thinking of "Lassi" or "Mattha"? Raita is yogurt salad.
    
    Lassi is wonderful and trivial to make too:
    
    1 1/2 cups plain yogurt
    3 tablespoons heavy cream
    1 tablespoon rose water [ I claim this is optional - CEH ]
    6 tablespoons sugar [ more or less to taste, of course - CEH ]
    9-10 standard sized ice cubes
    
    Blend everything except the ice cubes in a food processor or blender
    until the sugar dissolves, add the ice cubes and continue blending
    another minute or so until everything is frothy. (The ice cubes will
    not completely disintegrate.) Pour everything into glasses and serve.
    
    Lassi will keep for a couple of days in the fridge. Make a bunch and
    stir, shake, or re-blend just before serving. Don't add more ice, it
    will dilute it.
    
    	-- Charles

    
    	Thanks, Martin and Charles!
    
    	Those recipes sound very close to what I had.  I wanna 
    	make this for the next =wn= party!!!
    
    	hmmm..  Considering there is a world-famous noter coming
    	in from outa town in mid-July ...  will David be back from
    	his honeymoon by then ;-) ??
    
    						nancy b.
    

    I have a generic, passwordless, captive account into which anyone can
    log by SETting HOST.  I want to record the identity (node::account) of
    anyone who does that.  How do I do it?
    
    							=maggie

Re - passwordless accounts -

I assume you've read Clifford Stoll's "The Cuckoo's Nest"? Recommended...

Anyway - look at the logical names SYS$REM_NODE and SYS$REM_ID when hosted
into the account. Something along the lines of

$ IF F$SEARCH("WHO_IS_USING_MY_ACCOUNT.DAT") .EQS. "" THEN -
  CREATE WHO_IS_USING_MY_ACCOUNT.DAT
$ OPEN /APPEND FILE WHO_IS_USING_MY_ACCOUNT.DAT
$ NODE = F$LOG("SYS$REM_NODE")
$ USER = F$LOG("SYS$REM_ID")
$ RECORD = F$TIME() + " " + NODE + USER
$ WRITE FILE RECORD
$ CLOSE FILE


in the account's LOGIN.COM.

    Thanks, Paul.  I prolly shuda looked in the dcl manual first, but
    didn't even consider that there'd be one of the functions that knew how
    to capture that, I reckoned it'd have to be something kludgey with NCP.

    
    Send Wes Mallory mail at AIADM::MALLORY. He has a
    netwatcher command file that will record all logins
    to a certain account. I would give it to you, but
    I went into a frenzy of deleting information and
    got carried away...
    
    Wes, if you're listening, I need another copy too.
    
    Mel
    

    Now i've got decwindows running, but apparently the console can take
    over the top inch or two of the screen, dumping messages there that i
    don't care about.  how do i reclaim that portion, when the mouse won't
    even go up there?   it's pretty annoying!
    
    (vs3100/38)
    							=maggie

    
    Hold the Control Key and press F2 at the same time.
    
    	Rich...
    

    doesn't seem to work.

	From the session manager, go into the CUSTOMIZE menu, and pop
up the CUSTOMIZE KEYBOARD window.  In the lower right corner is the
OPERATOR WINDOW KEY display.  Your choices are

	(CTRL or SHIFT) + (F1 or F2)

	CTRL-F2 is the default. (Note you must push both keys at the same
time, just like ^Z)  If ^F2 isn't working, it may have been set to something
else.

	That said, you can eliminate messages to the graphics head operator
window by adding the following to SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_V5.COM:

$!
$!      Disable the workstation as an Operator's Console
$!
$       Assign/User Opa0: Sys$Command
$       Reply/Disable


					--D

    Errrrr.... doesn't that give you trouble with AUDIT?? Last time
    I tried that the station wasn't up for long. In the end we resorted
    to an alternate console terminal attached to the printer port...
    
    Ad

	What about them?  Without turning this into a full-blown security
rathole...

	I can enable any window I chose as a security operator.  Disabling
the graphics head operator window does not disable logging to the operator's
log.  i have no printer, therefor there is no hardcopy log.  So far this has
caused no problems with anyone who ever cared about how my system is run.


							--D

    I wasn't worrying about security itself but when I tried it I got into
    a fight with AUDIT$SERVER that insisted on leaving it's messages
    *somewhere*. Must say I was running 5.2 at the time (now 5.3-1). It
    just wouldn't let me disable OPA0:. 
    
    Ad

    Being at a Desktop Lab for seminars for a couple of days has it's
    advantages... Turns out indeed you can disable OPA0: and AUDIT's
    messages happily go into OPERATOR.LOG. I must have done something
    wrong back then (but what? :-}). Oh well. 
    
    Sorry for the interruption! 
    
    Ad

    Well, thanks to Doug and a phonecall from Rich tipping me off:  I had
    redefined the Op key to ^f1 (little realising what it was meant to do,
    it ain't documented so far as I can tell).  Once I knew that, it worked
    fine!
    
    So it's an artifact of my still being logged into ::SYSTEM, huh?  I
    hope so anyway cuz if it does that to any account beinging run locally,
    I'm gonna be *frosted*!

    Most people do a SET TERM/PERM/NOBROADCAST OPA0: in SYSTARTUP_V5.
    That makes sure to turn off all broadcasts to the operator window,
    not just those from OPCOM.

    Okay, now i want to move the boot sector from dka200: to dkb0:, but I
    get "illegal command" when i call set boot dkb0: from the console.  i
    have re-initialised dka200:, but that doesn't seem to help.

    
>    get "illegal command" when i call set boot dkb0: from the console.  i

    This is the obvious simpleminded answer, but... you want to type that
    at the boot prompt, not just the console.

    you lost me, Sharon.  i'm typing it at the ">>>" prompt, is that what
    you mean?  it's the same place i would normally type "b" but now type
    "b dkb0:" because it defaults to dka200:

    >>>set boot dkb000: should be the correct syntax. BTW you do have
    a DKB000: device do you? :-}
    
    Ad

	As  -.1 said, check to make sure that you have the correct device name.

	>>>show dev

	Will show you the device names as the system expects them.  It may be
confused by DKB0: when it expects DKB000: ?  (When bringing up a 3400 a while 
back, there was at least one spot in which the system insisted that I refer to 
the disk as something like r7f7e$dia0: instead of just dia0, which it usually 
takes.)

Tracey

    Found the bug (thanks to Sharon!):  it didn't like "set boot dkb0:" but
    once I left off the colon it worked a treat.
    
    							=maggie
    
    (and I know Mary Ellen is going to jump up and down on my case about
    using a generic account without having posted my current intro yet)

    
    
    Can someone help me get a mail link to the university of western
    ontario, canada?  the user is duquette,  the cpu is uwo.vax
    
    	i tried    decwrl::"duquette@uwo.vax"  but the node is unknown,
    
    ( i knew that would be too easy....)
    
    	thanks in advance,  mary

Sounds as though your local node doesn't have DECWRL:: in its node database.
Do MCR NCP SHOW NODE DECWRL to check. If not, you can try 10390:: in place of
DECWRL:: in your mail string (DECWRL is 10.150, 10*1024+150=10390).

    No,  my node does know decwrl,  it is the connection to uwo.vax  that
    i am looking for.
    
    thrnks for trying, tho.  i'm a novice at this.
    
    mary

the problem is that uwo.vax is not a legal name as far as decwrl is concerned.
Retrieve the document "GATEWAY.DOC" from decwrl for more info about sending
mail outside the company. In this particular case, I think you want one of

	decwrl::"duquette@uwo.edu"
	decwrl::"duquette@vax.uwo.edu"
	decwrl::"uunet.uu.net!watmath!deepthot!julian!duquette"

though that last one may be out of date. If you have a mail header FROM this
person I could tell you for sure the right address to use.

	-- Charles

    
    I'm looking for a VMS Mailwatch program, just in case I happen to go on
    vacation some day.  There used to be a notesfile at TURRIS::MAILWATCH
    but it comes back with "file not found" when I try to access it.  Did
    it move?  Or does anyone know where I can find the program?
    
    thanks,
    
    -Jody
    
    p.s.  MAILWATCH is something that acts like an answering machine for
    e-mail when you're not in the office, it sends back a message that
    says, "I'm not here right now, but I'll return on such-and-such date
    and get back to you then" - so people don't think you're ignoring them
    or anything...
    

    	I don't know about MAILWATCH, but it sounds a lot like
    DELIVER.  You might want to look into that. (Conference at 
    NCCODE::DELIVER.)

    	amy

    
    
    thanks , Charles, for your suggestions.  How about a translation now
    please....
    
    
    I tried all 3,  with this result:
    
    Subj:   Returned mail: Host unknown
                                                                           
       ----- Transcript of session follows -----
                                        
    550 uwo.edu (tcp)... 550 Host unknown                                
    554 <duquette@uwo.edu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative answer from
    name server)                                                            
    550 vax.uwo.edu (tcp)... 550 Host unknown                            
    554 <duquette@vax.uwo.edu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative answer
    from name server)                                                       
                                                                           
       ----- Recipients of this delivery -----                           
    <duquette@uwo.edu> (bounced)                                         
    <duquette@vax.uwo.edu> (bounced)                                     
    <uunet.uu.net!watmath!deepthot!julian!duquette> (sent)               
                 
    
    Now. I'll take a wild guess and assume that (sent) means it
    successfully was delivered... the question is, did it go to her vax, or
    to another?  duquette is a fairly common name, and i don't know how
    many cpu's UWO has....
    
    What does (bounced) mean?  not delivered?
    
    Also,  I tried another approach,
    		DECWRL::"duquette@uwovax.bitnet"
    and havn't received ANY response, success or failure, back.  can I
    assume success?  
    
    I just wish I had gotten her phone number when i got her node.  you'd
    think it would be a little easier to track down a cousin, wouldn't you?
    
    thanks for all the help,
    
    mary
    
    ps... decwrl IS known to my system,  but thanks anyways to all those
    who suggested that as a possible solution...
    
                 

    When I am going to be out of the office for an extended period of time,
    I contact my system manager to "activate" MAILWATCH using a specified
    file in my directory, such as disk:[directory]mailwatch.mem.

    When I get back to the office, I ask that MAILWATCH be "de-activated".

    Maybe this is what you need to do, also. Contact your system manager,
    s/he may be able to help you.

    Good luck!
    Norma

Net Addressing:

	There's a whole conference on this - GATEWAYS.  A quick check of
EASYNET_CONFERENCES or EASYNOTES.LIS should give you a location. (I'm
sure Charles' info is pretty good, but there might be someone in there
actively corresponding with someone at the remote node who could give
a definitive answer.)

MAILWATCH:

	DELIVER offers this service as well as many others. (The party map
server uses DELIVER.)  The catch is that DELIVER requires cooperation
from your system manager or privileges to install.  It also works best
(preserves the original "from" field) if you are privileged.  I use
DELIVER.

	I also have a command procedure that you can submit to batch that
runs once an hour and replies.  It's called WATCH_MAIL, and I have modified
it to eliminate the annoying habit it used to have of replying to every
mail message rather than each unique NODE::USER combination only once.
It's still a little crude, but I haven't bothered to hack it any more.
Send mail if you'd like a copy.

						--D

Re: .55

Here's a free form translation:

    550 uwo.edu (tcp)... 550 Host unknown                                
    554 <duquette@uwo.edu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative answer from
    name server)                                                            
    550 vax.uwo.edu (tcp)... 550 Host unknown                            
    554 <duquette@vax.uwo.edu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative answer

the "internet" (a collection of networks using uniform naming and name lookup)
doesn't know about a host "uwo" in the "edu" domain. Now I don't actually know
anything about the university of western ontario, in particular I don't know if
they are on the internet, if the are on the internet whether they are in the
edu domain, or if they accept mail at the address uwo. I was guessing, and it
looks like I guessed wrong since the messages above are replies from the "edu"
domain name server saying that "uwo" isn't a host it knows about. Sooo... any
name of the form "foo@...uwo.edu" is going to fail. Too bad, but it was worth
a try. (From the outside, our addresses - yours for example - look like:
driskell@ramoth.enet.dec.com or, in my case haynes@wsl.dec.com)

the third address I gave you - uunet.uu.net!watmath!deepthot!julian!duquette -
was via "uucp" the "Unix-to-Unix-Copy-Program" and ancient mail transfer
system using point to point routing that was and is common in the unix world. I
have a program called "mailpath" that, given a uucp host, will tell me the
route to use to it. I tried asking about "uwo" and that was the path it told
me. Now I have NO idea if this "uwo" is the University of Western Ontario, but
it's possible, since "watmath" is the math department at the university of
Waterloo...

The last thing you tried "duquette@uwovax.bitnet" is a very good possibility.
That address goes via "bitnet" which is Yet Another Network and is quite popular
with universities. If I had realized that uwo might be on bitnet (I should have)
then I would have suggested that address as well. This is all explained in even
more detail in the gateway.doc that I suggested you look at.

So - the uucp address will either get delivered to the right person, to some
random person, or will eventually bounce back to you (if you are lucky...) the
bitnet address should get a response fairly quickly. The biggest problem at this
point is figuring out what your cousin's user name is. If it's not just plain
"duquette" you are probably sending your mail to some innocent stranger who will
be baffled or annoyed, or else there is no legal user duquette in which case
you SHOULD see a bounce message.

Basically, to get mail to someone outside of dec, you not only need their
*exact* user name, and *exact* "node" name, but you need to know how to get to
something that knows about that node (the right network) and you need a lot of
luck.

	Good luck!
	-- Charles

P.S. The networks I know that DEC can send mail to are:

	Internet (domain names - format is user@node.foo.bar, where bar is
		usually com or edu, but can be lots of things)
	uucp (names of the form - foo!bar!node!user)
	bitnet (names of the form user@node.bitnet)
	fido (don't ask)
	E-net (:-> names of the form node::user or user@node.enet)
	MTS (I forget the name format, I always look it up...)

	there are other nets we can get to as well, usually using a gateway
	you will probably need an experienced user at both ends to get it to
	work. things like

	ibm's internal net (Z-net? V-net? something like that)
	compuserve
	the source
	telenet

	-- Charles

P.S. If anyone else is interested in this get GATEWAY.DOC from DECWRL and read
it *first*.

    The newly published "directory of computer networks" lists
    Univ of Western Ontario as HYDRA.UWO.CA or JULIAN.UWO.CA
                                         __               __
    
    SO you might try using CA rather than EDU and maybe using HYDRA or
    JULIAN as part of the name (perhaps mumlble@mumlble.HYDRA.UWO.CA)
    
    /s/ Jim Williams

If Julian is the node for uwo then the uucp address she used the first time
should make it.

I didn't talk about the geographical domains in the interest of keeping my
note short. Is the "directory of networks" online anywhere?


	-- Charles

    MAILWATCH was used on V3.x and V4.x machines.... DELIVER is very
    good, as is a com file called WATCH_MAIL.COM, which is basically
    the successor to MAILWATCH.
    
    You can copy it from COMCAD::SYS$PUBLIC:WATCH_MAIL.COM
    
    

>              <<< Note 30.62 by TLE::D_CARROLL "Assume nothing" >>>
>                                -< ed services >-

>Hi, does anyone know the node name for Educational Services in ZK?

        D!, I've  taken  a couple of courses at ZK - registered via CRS
        on WECARE::CRS
        
        Queta LeBlanc, WECARE::LEBLANC,  DTN  381-1213  has  been  very
        helpful.
        
        Andy
        

    Dunno about Ed Svcs as such, but SUPER:: and HARDY:: are used by a
    courseware development group up there.

     I'd like to correspon with someone who has played ZORK II. My
    12 year old has discovered it this summer...it is on a disk that
    runs on our vaxmate...and I'd like a few clues to help her when
    she gets stuck.
    
    thanks
    
    Bonnie

    G'Day Bonnie,
    
    	Try PICA::GAMES.  I'm sure you'll find lots of notes and people who
    are into all the Zorks.
    
    David.
    

    At some point in the installation, whatever utility I was running asked
    me if I wanted MomCat to be a LAT host.  I said no.  I'd like to retake
    that decision, but now can't find the utility that asked the question. 
    I thought it was netconfig.com, but apparently not so.  Alternatively,
    I could prolly do it by hand if I but knew how.

    G'Day,
    
    	You've probably lost the chance to have it done automagically but
    you can set up all your LAT services using the LAT Control Program
    (LCP).  Just log in and type $ mc latcp.
    
    	It can be a fairly involved process but the help is quite good.
    
    David.
    

    What has happened to Classified_ads?  Has it moved?
    
    Thank you.
    
    vb
    

    NETNOBUF - NETACP buffer allocation failed
    
    
    How can I fix that?  I can't find NETACP documented anywhere.

    check decnet 
    I know thats where I would start, I tried to send  you mail but the
    system wouldn't let me.  anyway, its in the manual that has the decnet
    info.  If you are still having problems send me mail and I will look
    into my stars database to see if there is anything there.
    
    vivian

    Okay, so far so good.  It was an undocumented software bug, I think. 
    Several members of our community who are experienced systems managers
    responded to my plea for help and all their advice was the same, which
    seemed a good sign and in fact appears to have been the real goods. 
    Keep your fingers crossed, gyns & guys.
    
    Now, if someone will walk me thru the steps for enabling a couple
    printers (ln03+ & ln03R) that'd be absolutely swell.
    
    						=maggie

    re: .66
    
    There is a notes file for ZORK.  It is THEBAY::DUNGEON.  Have fun!
    
    E Grace Noonan
    

Not quite on topic but close...

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> ...Why then, in spite of all this, does a shower curtain float in
> to cling to your leg, even when faced with all the water power a
> showerhead can muster? This has happened to EVERYONE who has ever
> showered, but no one seems to care. At best, some people figure
> that SOMEBODY knows, and it all makes perfect sense, but no one
> has time to go look it up. 
>
> Here we are, in the midst of the Scientific Revolution, remaining
> stubbornly apathetic about this shower curtain defying both gravity and
> the laws of motion to cling to our bare, soapy legs. Ben Franklin would
> have been furious.
>
> Before you get your hopes up, I must admit that I don't know what the
> shower curtain is up to, either. All the answers I come up with point
> to the presence of a non-human intelligence, and I don't want to think
> too much more about it. I feel vulnerable enough in the shower without
> worrying that a shower curtain- shaped invader is looking for a skin
> sample.

  Actually, Scientific American (in their Amateur Scientist column?)
  not too long ago carried quite a long and detailed analysis of why
  shower curtains get friendly.  I leave it as an exercise to the
  bibliophiles among us...

                                   Atlant

    
    I've been living in my new apartment for almost two months and I have
    yet to clean the oven.  (What?!  The previous tenant didn't clean it 
    before she left?!)  
    
    Anyway, now that the nights are cooler, I'm starting to think baking 
    thoughts.  But, I've already had one bad experience with this cooker 
    and I'm a little nervous about cleaning it because on the back of the 
    can of cleaner it says not to get the stuff on the element, because 
    this can cause shorts.  Now, I admit that I've never really worried 
    too much about that warning because it seemed impossible to not get
    any on the elemenet at all, and I've never had a bad experience...
    but my recent bad experience has me thinking more cautiously now than 
    I have in the past.  So, what do you people out there do?  (And why 
    don't they make (all) ovens with elements that unplug?)
    
    Thanks,
    
    CQ

    Well, for one thing, I don't clean ovens.  (I have a self-cleaning
    one.  But that's not an option for you.)  I would suggest using
    a piepan or some such to deflect the spray from the element.
    
    						Ann B.
    
    P.S.  I do use oven cleaner.  It works on *really* baked on crud
    on pots and pans.

Chris,

It heating element on the oven should lift up so you con spray 
oven cleaner under it. Also the regular elements where the pots
and pans go unplugs by just pulling them straight out.

Fred Mudgett

    Now that I think of it, this might be just the place to ask about this:
    
    
    My boss has a vt320 at home, with a high speed (9600 baud) modem at
    home.  He also has a scolar modem.  Whenever he dials in, he gets
    garbage characters, but only in All-in-1.  We have had the datacom
    people doing everything possible, but we can't  even reproduce the
    problem on site.  
    
    My question is, are there parameters within the A1 that might be set 
    incorrectly?  I never used A1 before this job, so I am fumbling around
    for a possible solution.  If I could come up with a definitive solution
    for this, it might be my ticket to System Manager Training and my first
    non-secretarial job (only my biggest goal right now!!!  :-)  )
    
    Any suggestions would be *GREATLY* appreciated.
    
    Sue

    P.S. He lives in Norfolk, if that is any help

    Does he get anything except garbage, Sue?  Or is it that he gets a
    connection but there's a lot of noise on the line?  That would be a
    different problem.  But if he can't connect cuz it's all garbage, then
    you may have hit on the problem:  A1 may be configuring the port in a
    way that doesn't match his modem settings at home.  I can't say for
    certain because I've never come within a mile of A1 and haven't a clue
    whether it even *can* configure a serial port/modem.  But if it can, I
    presume it has something equivalent to a terminal's setup menu where
    you can check the "communications" menu.  Speed, packet size,
    start/stop bit count, and parity are the things that want checked (for
    example, my vaxmate's setting is 1200 baud, 8-bit packeting, 1 stop
    bit, no parity).
    
    						=maggie

    Okay, I can bring up any number of copies of decterm, all of which are
    logged in to whatever account I specified at the original session page. 
    But I'd like to bring up some that aren't logged in, too (so that I
    could log one into the system account, e.g.).  I can pass the call with
    "nologged" set, but that just gets the system excited for awhile but no
    window shows up.  How do I get the window to show up and let me log in?

    G'Day,
    
    	I haven't figured out how to do that either Maggie but the way I
    get around it is to open the DECterm window (which as you say will be
    logged into the currently logged in user) and then do a $ SET HOST 0
    This will then ask for Username/Password as in a non-windows terminal.
    
    David.
    
    

    RE: .85
    
    Maggie, there is a way to do it (I have it at the office)
    I forget the first qialifier - but the last two are
    
    /terminal/nologg   (the nologg has to have two g's....)  I'll look it
    up when I get into the office on Monday...  (augh - I HATE it when I
    can't remember something off the top of my head!!)
    
    

    in re .83
    
    I had a similar problem with a vt220 and a scholar modem but it
    affected everything. I got garbage characters so badly that
    I couldn't even get into my account.
    
    The problem turned out to be our antique phone system that generated
    so much noise that the scholar couldn't deal with it.
    
    I went back to a DF03 which would function inspite of the noise (tho
    which gave me the headache of editing the noise out of mail and notes.)
    
    I'm currently typing on my husband's VAXmate which has what I think
    is called an error correcting or self correcting modem which cleans
    out the line noise. 
    
    You might suggest that your boss try this type of modem and see if
    the problem is noise on the local phone lines.
    
    Bonnie

Maggie...  here is the correct syntax:
    
$ create/terminal/detach/nologg

When the window appears, just log in

    
    Gale

    That's what I'm using, Gale.  The disk starts thrashing around just as
    usual, I get the "starting" message in the dayfile window, but instead
    of it generating a window, it just eventually stops.

     
    Re: 83
    
    Gee Sue,
    
    You should have asked your former ALL-IN-1 support person :-).
    
    Have him try SET TERM/NOEIGHTBIT   I'll have to check my notes
    as I seem to remember other things. Remember that ALL-IN-1/WPS+
    runs differently with different terminals.
    
    Guy
    

    A combination of my currently heavy workload and recent difficulties 
    getting into the =wn= file during my lunch hour has reminded me that 
    I've heard there's a way to have all unseen notes mailed to one's VMS 
    or ALL-IN-1 mail account.  Does anyone have information about how 
    this is done?
    
    And, once it is done, how does one go about responding to topics of
    interest? 
    
    Thanks for any pointers or suggestions.
    Karen 
         

    There are a number of ways to do this. I used a script based on ENOTES
    until recently, I'm sure I could dig it up. Now I use a script based on
    PAN (the script is called SPAN) to keep a "shadow copy" of the
    notesfiles I read with just the unread notes in them. I update the
    shadows approximately every four hours. See the notesfile
    
    	LESLIE::PAN
    
    for more info on SPAN and how to use it.
    
    	-- Charles
    
    P.S. hit KP7 and all that...

    I used the following com file - it also has a file called
    gimmenotes.dat that is a list of file names I want it to read that it
    calls.
    
    IE:  GIMMENOTES.DAT looks like this:
    
CLASSIFIED_ADS 
FLEX 
HUMAN_RELATIONS 
RACQUETBALL 
THEATRE 
WOMAN
DIGITAL 
    
    
$! GIMMENOTES.COM - Command file reads notes files every few hours to get
$! any unseen notes from notes file.  
$! Must set profile in notebook to :
$!           SET PROFILE/NOAUTOMATIC=UNSEEN
$ Set nover 		! Turn off junk
$ Set noon         	! Who cares if you detect an error
$! 
$ Open /read/shared a sys$login:gimmenotes.dat
$!
$!  **********  The Loop  **********
$ Start_loop:
$ Read/end=End_loop a line
$ the_file = f$edit("sys$login:''line'.lis","collapse")
$ Assign/nolog "''the_file'" outfile
$ show log outfile
$ notes/noautomatic 'line'
SAVE Outfile /unseen *.* /seen
EXIT
$!
$!    This little bit of logic test to see if there is anything in the
$!    file before it gets mailed:
$ Size = f$file("outfile","alq")
$ write sys$output size
$ Set on
$ On error then goto Dont_delete
$ If size .gt. 0 then $ Mail outfile/subj="Unseen ''line' Notes" NODE::NAME
$ Delete 'f$trnlnm("outfile")';
$ dont_delete:
$ Set noon 
$ Goto Start_loop
$!
$!  **********  The End of the Loop  **********
$ End_loop:
$ Close a
$!
$!    Standard procedure for not knowing the name of the file from which
$!    I am running:
$ Who_I_am = f$element(0,";",f$environment("Procedure"))
$!
$!    Submit to run at 4 in morning & 4 in afternoon
$ The_hour = f$cvtime(f$time(),,"hour")        ! Get current hour
$ New_hour = "TODAY+16:00"                     ! Initialize to 4:00 PM
$ If The_hour .gt. 12 then  New_hour = "TOMORROW+04:00"
$ Write sys$output Who_i_am
$ Submit 'Who_I_am'/noprint/notify/after="''New_hour'"
$!          
$!    Get rid of the old files ( I only have 10,000 blocks )
$ Logfile = who_i_am-f$element(0,"]",who_i_am)
$ Logfile = f$element(0,".",logfile)-"]"+".log"
$ Logfile = "sys$login:"+logfile
$ sho sym logfile
$ Purge/keep=3 'logfile'
$ Exit                    ! Blast         

    Well, this is a weird question, but it keeps bugging me:
    
    Does anyone know what the pretty parts of Missouri are?  I've seen
    several announcements of job openings there, and one time someone told
    me that there was a pretty part of Missouri, and an ugly part.  I might
    apply for the jobs if they are in a pretty part.
    
    Briana

    The lakes-and-Ozarks areas in the south are nice looking, but the only
    jobs down there would be hotel management and moonshining.  The
    university campuses are in standard dull midwest terrain.  I wouldn't
    describe Kansas City as pretty and I would describe St. Louis as hell.
    
    Ray, late of Braymer, "The Biggest Little Town in Missouri"
    

Anyone know of a hairdresser in Nashua, Lowell, or somewhere in between the
two, who is paritcularly skilled with *short* women's hair?  (The hair is
short, not the woman.  :-)  And one who won't freak out when I tell her I
want it *short*?  (The last one I went to just couldn't handle that I wanted
it *short*. She kept trying to convince me to chnge my mind...and
she didn't believe me when I said "No, I mean *short*, not just trimmed
a little.  So I didn't like how it came out.)

Thanks,
D!

    
    Well, I know a very agreeable barber in Westford.  It's just a few more
    minutes down the road, if yu can't find anyone closer.  Perhaps you
    could interview prospective haircutters on the phone?
    
    Let me know if you want name & phone number; I don't have it handy at
    the moment.
    
    CQ

    Try Serene Cesear at Heritage Hair Salon.
    
    603-595-1550.  She works from noonish until later in the evenings
    (7:00?)
    
    She is a great hairdresser.  Tell her Sue Walton sent you.
    
    She is in Hudson NH (about 10 minutes from downtown Nashua).
    
    Sue

    Can someone mail me a procedure file that does backups to a tk50?  I
    seem unable to get anything to work although I'm folloing what
    documentation I have.  
    
    $ init mkb500: 14au90
    $ back/rew/ign=label/ign=inter piggy:[notes$library]*.note mkb500:14au90
    
    I get back a complaint about how the vol label doesn't match the one
    requested.  Theoretically that's meant to be handled by the ignore
    parm, but it ain't working so obviously I'm not doing what I think I'm
    doing.

  Maggie,

  On the backup command, instead of "/ignore=label", use "/label=14au90".

  One might wonder why a utility which _demands_ that the tape be mounted 
  /foreign also demands a label specification, but there you have it...

  JP

    Thanks, John, and to everyone who wrote me with suggestions.  As it
    turns out, Joe White had the winning answer (how odd for a symphony
    conductor :-)   ...it did an XOR rather than an OR on the two /ignore
    parms, I had to use  /ignore=(label,interlock).  Dumb.

    re:  .98
    
    S.A.Wells at the junction of 122 and 101A in Amherst has an excellent
    stylest, Kelly Colen... You give her a request and she handles it. 
    Also, another excellent place I used to go to in Salem, NH called
    Scruples, the owner and best one there is Florence.  They consider
    "nothing" strange!
    

    okay, one more puzzler...
    
    i have some directory [foo] with prot=(w:we), and an acl of net/def/rwe
    
    i should be able to copy files in from another node (duggan, say) and i
    can't.
                              
    what am i missing?

    okay, i checked the docs just in case and found out that one must have
    rw access in order merely to write.
    
    that's gotta be the dumbest thing i've seen in awhile!
    
    is there a way around it?
    
    
    second question:  what's the name of the sysvar that one can check to
    see if there's mail?

	Your new mail count is kept in SYS$SYSTEM:VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA which
is an indexed file keyed off your username.  LOGINOUT looks in there when you
log in (unless you have some flags set in the UAF) and tells you if the
number is non-zero.

	What problem are you trying to solve?


					--D

Where do I find XNOTES for a DECstation 3100?

ADVthanksANCE
D!

	Check out UPSAR::XNOTES (the XNOTES conference). Topic 5 has kit
	information there.

			Alfred

    OK, I've reached a point where I really don't/won't have time to do
    notes during work hours, but I'm not willing to give up noting.  That
    means doing it from home.
    
    I've got an (ibm-compatable) PC at home.  I've got a modem.  I can't
    get the PC to acknowledge the modem, so I'm pretty sure I'm missing
    software - probably a terminal emulator, but what do I know?  Where's
    the best place to ask for a *really* non-technical discussion of what
    to do?  
    
    Alison 

Try the NAC::IBMPC notes file - but check the keywords first, as this is one of
the most common (and hence oft-repeated) questions.

Hint - unless you're planning to run your own bulletin board, you want Kermit,
which for MS-DOS includes a VT320 terminal emulation and can be set up with
scripts to autodial etc.

Further hint - check out topic 4445 in said conference.

Can someone give me the Exact syntax for continuing a
command to a second line in a .COM file?  Is VMS fussy about the
space character? In the example, assume # = space character:

I'm getting flakey results, and am reduced to suspecting spaces.

$ BLAH BLAH BLAH#-#
    BLAH BLAH

Meigs (who did rtfm's) thanks.

    Yes, I think it's the spaces.  I've always put the "-" smack up
    against the BLAH, and only broke the line where there would be
    a `natural' space.  Either or both of these may be superstitious
    behavior, but we'll find out.
    
    						Ann B.

    DCL isn't that particular about spaces --                            
    
    A frequent mistake in command continuation is:
    
    		$ COMMAND/QUALIFIER_1/QUALIFIER2 -
                   QUALIFIER_3/QUALIFIER_4	
                  ^
                  |
                  +--- N.B. No slash preceding the qualifier --
                  
    DCL would interpret this line as:
    
    		$ COMMAND/QUALIFIER_1/QUALIFIER2QUALIFIER_3/QUALIFIER_4	
    
    Check to be sure you included all slashes.
    
    					andrew
    
    P.S. I know it's a frequent mistake because I do it all the time! ;-)

	Well, leading spaces (i.e. before the "-") should be no problem.
	I use 'em (and tabs) all the time to line up the -'s.  Trailing 
	spaces shouldn't matter, but I don't ever put them in, so I reserve the
	right to be wrong. :*]


	Another common mistake (at least common for me) is that if it is
	actually a string that is longer than one line, then you have to 
	actually split up the string & add a concatenator.

	i.e.	$ some symbol == "blah blah...blah" +-
			"blah...blah"

	not	$ some symbol == "blah blah...blah -
			blah...blah"




	>>AL<<

  Trailing whitespace (Spaces and Tabs) and trailing comments appear
  to *NEVER* be a problem.  They'r probably stripped off first by DCL.
  Then, DCL checks to see if the LAST REMAINING character on the line
  is a hyphen (-).  If so, it goes onwards to accumulate the next line
  as well.  (In the example below, please consider each "_" to represent
  a space or a tab.)

    $ SHOW TI-______       ! This works fine and does "$SHOW TIME"
      ME                   ! DCL sees the first line as just "$ SHOW TI-"

    $ SHOW TI-___foo       ! This fails.
      ME                   ! DCL sees the first line as just "$ SHOW TI-   foo"


  Whitespace *LEADING* the hyphen is legal only if whitespace is
  legal at the current point in the command line.

    $ SHOW TI-             ! This works fine and does "$SHOW TIME"
      ME                   ! DCL sees the entire command as "$ SHOW TIME"

    $ SHOW   -             ! This works fine and does "$SHOW TIME"
      TIME                 ! DCL sees the entire command as "$ SHOW    TIME"

    $ SHOW TI  -           ! This fails.
      ME                   ! DCL sees the entire command as "$ SHOW TI   ME"


  My favorite mistake is to put a '$' at the beginning of the continuation
  line(s).

    $ SHOW TI-             ! This works fine and does "$SHOW TIME"
      ME                   ! DCL sees the entire command as "$ SHOW TIME"

    $ SHOW TI-             ! This fails.
    $ ME                   ! DCL sees the entire command as "$ SHOW TI$ ME"

    $ SHOW TI-             ! This fails.
    $ME                    ! DCL sees the entire command as "$ SHOW TI$ME"


  I suppose another error would be to put the hyphen *AFTER* any "!"
  that begins a comment.  Then, DCL discards the hyphen as it's dis-
  carding the comment.  Unlike certain other languages, I don't think
  DCL has any syntax ending a comment once you've begun one -- the
  entire rest of the line is discarded no matter what it contains.
  (I may be missing some subtleties about symbol substitution but
  I dunno.)

    $ SHOW TI- !comment    ! This works fine and does "$SHOW TIME"
      ME                   ! DCL sees the first line as just "$ SHOW TI-"

    $ SHOW TI  !comment-   ! This fails.
      ME                   ! DCL sees the first line as just "$ SHOW TI"
                           ! and takes the second line as a new command line,
                           ! not a continuation of the previous command line.


                                   Atlant

    I'm going nuts over this.  There's this song on the radio I keep
    hearing (mostly WAAF) which has the chorus
    
    "Last time in Paris....last time in Paris....last time in Paris was
    strange....."
    
    and I keep trying to find out who sings it.  Is it Damn Yankees? 
    Queensryche?  The lead singer sounds like whoever sang "Fight the good
    fight", but you can never tell.  
    
    Anyone have a clue?
    
    -Jody
    

    I can find out for you this afternoon when my daughter gets home
    from school.
    
    I should know it, she's told me often enough and this is the kind
    of thing that gets you 'oh, Mother, don't you know anything?"
    reactions when you forget . . . 
    
    --bonnie

    re .117
    
    It's from Queensryche's new release "Empire" ... real heady stuff, but
    then again, so is all their music.  I highly recomend it !  8^)
    
    Jerry (aka "Scary)

    If there are any Notes/Ultrix gurus out there:
    
    I'm running XNOTES on my DECstation and for some reason keep getting
    an error while trying to access MOMCAT::WOMANNOTES-V3.  All of my
    other conferences seem to work ok.  The error I get is:
    
    %NOTES-E-OPENIN, error opening MOMCAT::WOMANNOTES-V3 as input
    -ULTRIX-F-ESRCH, connect failed, Unrecognized object
    
    Send mail if you know what's up.
    
    Jim

    Are there any VAXmate experts out there? Ours keeps having a booting
    problem and we think we've narrowed it down to a temperature problem
    but would appreciate talking to someone who knows the 'guts' of the
    machine.
    
    Thanks
    
    Bonnie

    G'Day Bonnie,
    
    	The original VAXmate came without a fan fitted to the expansion
    box.  There was an FCO to fit one and that improved matters immensly. 
    Most problems were with the hard disk overheating so if you are having
    boot problems and you are trying to boot from a hard disk then see if a
    fan is fitted.  If it isn't then try to get the fan kit - don't know if
    it's still available or not.
    
    David.
     

    Thanks David,
    
    that is the solution that we were offered by someone else, to get
    a small fan for the machine.
    
    Looks like that is the solution.
    
    Bonnie

    Is there an ornithologist in the house ?
    
    Yesterday evening I was sitting by a large pond near home, and
    spotted a large bird out on the island. At first I thought it
    was a blue heron. (Have seen them around before, even at the
    same pond.) Then it took off and roosted in a tree about 40
    yards from where I was sitting. The bird was not heron-blue but
    white as snow. Do herons come in white ? (There was no crest on
    the head, so egret is out.)
    
    Dana
    
    PS this was in western Mass.

    
    	Dana - I've seen 'em around my house, too. I think they 
    	are Egrets, I don't think they have to have a crest...Maybe
    	someone's got an Audobon book...?
    
    	Sherry
                          

    When's the "fall back" part of "spring ahead / fall back" come this
    year?  And, come to that, when's the next "spring ahead"?
    
    I figure I'll write a wee procedure file so that at least MomCat is on
    the right time, even if I'm in my usual bewildered condition.

"Fall back" will be on the last Saturday of October, the 27th (set clocks back
one hour).  "Spring ahead" will be the last Saturday of March, the 30th (set 
clocks ahead one hour).




Jim

I think the 'spring ahead' part is on the first sunday in 
April, not the last in March.  That would be April 7, 1991, at 
2:00 AM.

Maryellen

    Thanks, both!  Now Mom will have the right time when it shifts.

    My 3-1/2 year old goddesson is coming to visit me in two weeks.
    I'm delighted.  I'm also stumped.  He has decided that I will show
    him a real live elephant because elephants live in Boston.
    
    His folks and I have tried to tell him that elephants come from
    Africa and India but he knows that Boston is a big city and therefore
    has elephants.
    
    So ... anyone out there know where I can find an elephant?  A zoo
    would be just fine.
    
        Thanks,
    
           Margaret  (proud --and indulgent-- goddessmother)

    You could try City Hall.

    There are some zoos in Boston and vicinity - check your yellow pages.
    (I've never been to any of 'em, but what's a zoo sans elephants?) Names
    I recall include the Franklin Park Zoo and the Watertown Zoo? 

    What does one do to get one's mail messages to go to a subdirectory
    instead of the top-level directory?
    
    Thanks for any help.
    
    Eileen

    From within MAIL, use the SET MAIL_DIRECTORY command. For example,
    
    MAIL> SET MAIL_DIRECTORY [.MAIL]
    
    will create a subdirectory called MAIL, move your current mail files
    there, and file all future messages there.
    
    -b

Margaret,

	You may be in luck - I think the circus is in town.  Call the
Boston Garden Box Office.

	{Reminds me of the lecture I got on catching llamas from a 4 yr
old.  You need a net, a mitten (for bait) and a hook & string.  You go out
in the woods where the llamas live and climb a tree, then dangle the mitten
down on the hook, and when the llama comes to nibble on the mitten, you
scoop it up in the net.  He also claims this works for zebras as well}

					--D

    er, excuse me... the circus is always in town, no?
    
    depends on your definition,
    Marge

    There is (or used to be) a mounted elephant on display at
    the Museum of Science in Springfield (just down the street
    from DEC-SPO)
    
    Springfield Science Museum
    236 State St.
    Springfield, Mass.
    413-733-1194
    
    Dana
    

    s the Stone Zoo still operating. I loved the Elephant House there. Most
    of all I loved the Bird House. It was a tropical room and the birds
    flew around loose among the people. It's great, but wear a hat. :-)
    
    I seem to remember that it was on the Fellsway in Stoneham.
    
    Phil ( a confirmed N.H.'ite but doesn't mind taking advantage of Mass.
    culture)
    

    There's the Ringling Bros & Barnum & Bailey circus - at the Boston
    Garden from October 10 to the 21.  Also, the Franklin Park Zoo in
    Boston is having a "Channel 2 at the zoo" bash on October 6 (rain date
    October 7).  I'm not sure they have elephants, but you'd seldom find
    another chance to meet Cookie Monster!
    
    -Jody
    

>Note 30.136  SA1794::CHARBONND "scorn to trade my place" 
>
>    There is (or used to be) a mounted elephant on display at
>    the Museum of Science in Springfield (just down the street
>    from DEC-SPO)
    
    this just makes me want to cry!  That's Suicide Sam you're talking
    about, so called because he was killed in mid-attack by whoever it was
    who donated him to the museum.  I remember as a kid coming round the
    corner and coming quite unexpectedly face to face with a GIGANTIC
    enraged charging bull African elephant, in mid-stride, trunk raised...
    I was dumbstruck.  Sam made quite an impression on me!
    
    But my mom, who still lives in Springfield, told me she thinks Sam is
    no longer on display.  Sniffle, sigh.
    
    The museum is still fun, I'd guess, but fyi Springfield is 90 miles
    from Boston... not 'xactly next door, and a l-o-n-g drive for a 3.5 yr
    old.
    
    Sara, who spent many hours (including some while skipping school :-) at
    that museum and the other attractions in the Quadrangle
                                                           

    The Stone Zoo in Stoneham used to have elephants (at least they did a
    few years back).
    

    My Step-Mother-in-Law is hosting two Craft Fairs and needs someone to
    do some simple catering (i.e. donuts, sandwiches, chile).  Would anyone 
    like to earn some quick bucks (or knows of anyone who would).  The Fairs
    would be located in Central Mass. (one's in Franklin). If anyone is
    interested please send mail to USCTR1::JNOVITCH.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Janet

    I believe the Franklin Park Zoo also has a Tropical Rain Forest
    house; said to be very good.   Attendance at the zoo increased 
    from 30K to 500K in a year as a result.
    
    The bird house at the Stone Zoo is really fine, too.
    
    Better go now, 'cause the duke is ready to shut them both
    and sell the animals.
    
    /bruce

RE:< Note 30.142 by HYDRA::LARU "goin' to graceland" >
                      -< zoos are endangered species... >-

       
   > Better go now, 'cause the duke is ready to shut them both
   > and sell the animals.
    
    
Or kill the animals unless earlier accounts I've read have been recanted.



Jim

    Where is the note that gives the address of the soldiers in the Persian
    Gulf?  You know, it starts out
    
    
    Any Serviceperson
    *Something*(Probably Operation Desert Sheild)
    APO NEW YORK, 00000
    
    
    	Thanks
    
    Sue

    Second request - 
    
    When I look at the directory of keywords, I see the "Nu Skin rathole"
    but I can't find any notes when I ask for a dir/key.
    
    Can someone help or point?
    
    Sue
    
    

Re .144: Found this in PAGODA::COOKS:
    
>    Address your envelope/package to:
>    
>    ANY SERVICE MEMBER
>    Operation Desert Shield
>    APO New York
>    09848-0006                    for Army/Air Force
>    
>    
>    or
>    
>    ANY SERVICE MEMBER
>    Operation Desert Shield
>    FPO New York
>    09866-0006                    for Navy/Marine Corps
>    

                      <<< Note 30.145 by MCIS2::WALTON >>>

>    When I look at the directory of keywords, I see the "Nu Skin rathole"
>    but I can't find any notes when I ask for a dir/key.
    
?


If I do a "sho key  "Nu Skin rathole..."/full
it tells me that that keyword is attached to note 118.36

    Could someone tell me what date the Head of the Charles Regatta is
    being held on this year?
    
    10-Q.....
    
    -Jody

    The Regatta is Sunday, October 21. Have fun!
    
    Chuck

    The answer to this doesn't have to be quick.
    
    From what nursery rhyme or bit of doggeral is the line
    
    	"I'll be judge; I'll be jury."
    
    I had thought it was from "Who Killed Cock Robin?", but it isn't.
    (There was no trial, because there was a confession: "`I,' said
    the sparrow, `With my bow and arrow,'".)
    
    						Ann B.

    Re .150: It's from Lewis Carroll - "Alice", I think, but would have to
    look it up to be sure. Wasn't it something like "A Long, Long Tail",
    since the poem was typeset to trail off into a "tail"?
    
    	"'I'll be judge; I'll be jury,' 
    	 said cunning old Fury. [A cat.]
    	'I'll <mumble, mumble, mumble>
    	 and condemn you to death!"
    
    -b

    Yup, it's Lewis Carroll  here's the complete poem:
    
    			Fury said to
                         a mouse, that
                                 he met
                        	 in the
                                  house,
                                 'Let us
                               both go
                             to law:
                          I will
                       prosecute
                      you.--
                       Come, I'll
                         take no
                            denial;
                               We must
                                   have a 
                                       trial:
                        		  For
                                       really
                                     this
                                      morning
                                          I've
                                      nothing
                                   to do.'
                              Said the
                           mouse to
                         the cur,
                          'Such a
                              trial,
                          dear sir,
                       with no
                     jury or
                   judge
                    would be
                     wasting
                       our breath.'
                          'I'll be
                         judge,
                       I'll be
                      jury,
                     Said
                      cunning
                        old Fury:
                          I'll try
                            the whole
                                  cause
                                  and
                               condemn
                                 you
                                   to
                                   death.'

    Great!  But why do you have immediate access to this information?
    No, don't tell me:  You're really sick today and are working from
    home.
    
    						Ann B.

    Does anyone know where the Woman's Exchange is in MA???

    justme....jacqui

    You mean everybody doesn't have a copy of "The Annotated Alice"
    on the reference shelf?
    
    					andrew

    I bought it as a gift to a friend, and I gave it to her.
    
    						Ann B.

    Perhaps you should buy another, as a gift to yourself.
    
    					andrew

justme....jacqui,

It is in Newton, phone number (617) 277-0200.  I believe it is right off
Rte. 9.  

E Grace

It's very convenient to exit NOTES by doing a Control Y.
Is this OK?  Or does doing this annoy something on my system
or, say, MOMCAT.

 thanks, 

 Meigs (wishing to be a good citizen)

It will leave your link open until you either explicitly exit the image or
start another image. In fact you can resume your old session where you left off
simply by saying "continue" after ^Y. Given that, it should now be clear that
^Y doesn't actually free the resources until the image exits. That means you
use just as many resources as if you were just sitting there without exiting
notes at all.

The thing to do in that case is either run another program right away, or use
^Y followed by "exit" (at DCL) if you use ^Y to exit from notes.

	-- Charles

    Also, leaving an open conference via ^Y will result in your unseen
    map not getting updated in your notebook - so you'll see some of
    the same old notes again next time.

    Exiting from a conference, then ^Y-ing from the notebook directory
    won't have either this effect or the one (links being held until
    image exit) cited by Charles.

    HELP!!!
    
    I have several grids in DECalc which I update occasionally, and today
    is one of those occasions.  I set my directory to my grids, invoked
    DECalc, and restored one of the grids.  The grid opened, but that is as
    far as I get.  The arrow keys don't work to move me around the grid,
    nore does anything else I try.  The arrow keys cause an alphabetic to
    show up on the input line, and the word Value comes up above.  Then the
    thing freezes.  Nothing gets you out, except to reset the session.
    
    I am running v3.0 on a VAXstation2000
    
    Sue

	Your terminal session is probably in a funny state.  Try 
SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE at DCL.  SHOW TERMINAl and see what's different from
this:

Terminal Characteristics:
   Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape
   Hostsync           TTsync             Lowercase          Tab
   Wrap               Scope              No Remote          Eightbit
   Broadcast          No Readsync        No Form            Fulldup
   No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        Hangup
   No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speed
   Line Editing       Insert editing     No Fallback        No Dialup
   No Secure server   No Disconnect      No Pasthru         No Syspassword
   SIXEL Graphics     No Soft Characters No Printer Port    Application keypad
   ANSI_CRT           Regis              No Block_mode      Advanced_video
   Edit_mode          DEC_CRT            DEC_CRT2           DEC_CRT3
   No DEC_CRT4

	Look especially at the "Escape" characteristic.  Also, check in SETUP
to see if your the arrow keys are set "application". (I don't remember the
exact wording.)

					--D

    
    Anybody know of any women's bookstores in the Springfield area?
    
    CQ 

    Some 'friends' of my daughter put her name in an 'electronic telephone
    bulletin board' saying she wants to meet new friends. She had a large
    number of guys callling over the weekend.
    
    Does anyone know how I could access such bulletin boards and get her
    name out of there?
    
    Bonnie

    Best find out which board it was.  There are a number of "singles"
    boards ("dating" boards...whatever) with questionnaires you fill and
    and you can connect to others and chat via computer.  LOLA was one I
    once knew about - mostly they're on people's private systems so they're
    not policed or anything.....
    
    I'd say she should make perfectly clear to her "friends" that they
    should rescind whatever offer or request they made on her behalf. 
    Gently.  Firmly.  Or she should be as polite as possible on the phone
    with the responders and try to find out how they got her name a number
    because she's like to "post a supplement" or somesuch - that way you
    can find how to access it and maybe remove her name or post a
    supplement that tells the people to "buzz off" or somesuch.
    
    -Jody
    

    -Jody
    
    There are two problems:
    
    1. she has no idea who posted her name
    2. when she has politely asked people where they got her name they
       have been less than forthcoming..
    
    looks like we may have to change her phone number.
    
    Bonnie

    Sounds like that may be a good step - and keep it unlisted, too...
    have her give it out to only really close friends....or have all her
    calls screened by someone else in the house or an ansering machine...
    
    ish, what a thing to have happen....
    
    -Jody

    -Jody
    
    She changed the message on her answering machine to one for
    a funeral home.
    
    Bonnie

    Depending on how aggressive you want to be, you might want to call
    the  police.  This  is  harasment,  and they might be able to take
    action.

    The problem  with  this  is  that  some probably innocent bulletin
    board will suffer for the poor judgement of her "friends". I don't
    know how to take action that will only affect the guilty.

--David

    
    "innocent" bulletin board?
    
    Sounds like the US needs a Data Protection Act with teeth...
    
    /. Ian .\

    
    	Someone who has worked at a bookstore might be able to 
    	answer this nerd call -- 
    
    	What are the names and locations of major distributors
    	to bookstores in the area? 
    
    	Would distributors deal with organizations interested
    	in purchasing large numbers of a certain book, or do they
    	typically only deal with bookstores?
    
    						nancy b.
    

Try "New England Mobile Book Fair" on Needham St. in Newton.  They deal
mostly with schools.  There are a few others in the Boston Yellow Pages.

Martin.

...but what is "gaydar"?

-Mary

    >...but what is "gaydar"?
    
    It comes from "gay radar" which is the supposed ability of gay people
    to spot one another.  some people swear theirs is infallible, others
    swear it doesn't exist, and still others claim it is based only on
    stereotypes and therefore you only "scope" those minority of gays and
    Lesbians who fit the stereotype, and include straights who also fit the
    type.
    
    When walking down the street with my friends, I will sometimes make
    woo-woo-woo noises (sort of like a siren) which is supposed to be the
    sound of my gay-dar going off!  :-)  [Don't worry, not so loud as to be
    heard by the person in question. :-)]
    
    D!

    Can someone send me the name (and phone number, if you have it) of a
    good female general practioner type doctor in Nashua (or environs?)
    
    Thanks,
    D!

    Does anyone have any funny stories (longish, not necessarily jokes)
    like the 12 days of Christmas story that goes around each year?
    
    I have a request from my son's room mate at Wesleyan to send
    them some silly stories off the net for the holiday season.
    
    bonnie

  I have one buried away that goes to the tune of "Twas the Night before
Christmas" but it might be a little raunchy...

Jim

    sure!
    
    these are college seniors and have no problems with getting raunchy
    mail forwarded from the mother of one of them..
    
    bj

    
    Ummmm....this one is truly nerdly....I'm playing this computer game
    at home, it's called Shadowgate.....and I can't get past the waterfall
    and I can't get the key from the skeleton, and I can't get past the 
    stone wall with cracks....and I tried the GAMES conference but I don't
    think there's anyone there.....I actually laid out money for this game
    and I've played a zillion adventure games before but I'm still stuck
    and irritated....any help would be appreciated.
    
    Lisa/closet adventure game fan
    
    

    Thanks....I had someone forward it to me over the net......
    
    Lisa

  What is the name of the dial (present on some clocks) that indicates
  the current phase of the moon?

                                   Atlant

    Darn.  I was hoping for micro-orrery.  At least.
    
    							Ann B.

-d:

> Atlant, you're gonna feel awfully silly about this...
>
> <FF>
>
> It's called a moon dial.  Really.
    

  Now why would I feel silly about that?  I asked a question, you
  gave me a straight-forward answer.  Now I know.  Thanks!

                                   Atlant

>         <<< Note 30.186 by REGENT::BROOMHEAD "Don't panic -- yet." >>>
>
>    Darn.  I was hoping for micro-orrery.  At least.
>    
>    							Ann B.

  Micro-Oratory is when Dan Quayle delivers a speach that consists
  entirely of the single word "Duhhh...".  Oh.  You said "Micro-Orrery"!
  Nevermind!

                                   Atlant

Re: 570.11

>   Oohhhh, I *like* it!  Charles, tell me more about this random program
>   you've got on jumbo.  It looks like something a verbophile like me
>   could get into.
    
>   -d

Ok. Jumbo is a big vax over at SRC - DEC's System's Research Center. One of the
researchers over there is Mary-Claire van Leunen who is doing research into
computers and writing. (She is the author of a textbook on technical writing,
I've known her since my Xerox days.) Among other things, she is looking into
the best ways to present online dictionary information. In support of this she
got Random House to let her translate and put on line one of the Random House
unabridged dictionaries, and has written a program to access it. That program is
"random". Random House, naturally, is not interested in seeing its unabridged
dictionary spread to the four winds for free, so required Mary-Claire to sign
blood curdling legal statements agreeing not to distribute the dictionary, and
to take steps to make sure other people don't distribute it "for her". So the
short answer is that you can't get access to random unless you have access to
SRC's machines.

That's the bad news. The good news is that there is another online dictionary
"webster" that is much more widely available, and that also knows the etymology
of "feces", to wit:

gilroy 33*>webster feces
Webster's 7th Collegiate Dictionary,  Copyright (C) 1963 by Merriam-Webster,
Inc. No part of this information may be copied or reprinted without the
express written consent of the publisher.

fe.ces \'fe--(.)se-z\ n [ME, fr. L faec-, faex (sing.) dregs] pl  : bodily
   waste discharged through the anus : EXCREMENT

Now it too has a blood curdling restriction on it, I believe that single quotes
from it fall under the "fair use" doctrine, but your lawyer (and their's) might
disagree. I know that it is in theory possible to put webster on other machines,
but I don't know how hard it is to get the permission necessary.

This is the README file that came with it. Note in particular clause #2.

This is Webster's 7th Collegiate Dictionary.  It is Copyright (C) 1963 by
Merriam-Webster, Inc.  The machine-readable version of this dictionary is
due to a government contract with System Development Corporation, who had
the dictionary transcribed via keypunch in the early 1970's.  I received
my copy of the dictionary from SRI International, I don't know where they
got it.

I have contacted Merriam-Webster about the status of this dictionary, and
have been asked by them to state the following:

        1. This dictionary may be used for research purposes only.  It
           may not be made commercially available, and the data from the
           dictionary may not be used in any publications without express
           written consent of the publisher.

        2. This dictionary may not be redistributed, as Webster is trying
           to prevent the increased distribution of this information
           (which was never intended for distribution in the first place).

        3. This dictionary may not be made available over any wide-area
           networks such as the ARPAnet.

        4. This dictionary, and the software accompanying it, are most
           definitely NOT in the public domain.


	-- Charles

    Why do planes show contrails sometimes and not other times.
    
    Bonnie

    According to the people at the airport at which I used to work,
    contrails are caused by a change in temperature.  Actually, that's not
    quite right.  Contrails *happen* when there is a great enough
    difference in temperature between the jet engine heated air and the
    atmosphere.  So, when a jet enters an area that is colder than the one
    it just left, a contrail appears.  When it passes out of this area,
    back into an area that is not as cool, the contrail disappears.
    
    I don't think I explained this very well; I hope you get my drift.  No
    pun intended!
    
    E Grace

...but non-jet aircraft leave contrails also.  I had heard that the 
contrail was caused by the pressure of the airflow over the wing surfaces
causing the water in the air to form droplets (mini-clouds), but I don't
remember where I heard this fact(oid).

 This a contrail becomes a function of the air temperature, humidity, and
wing surface air pressure.

				Nigel

    Anyone got any good remedies to pet hair clinging to clothing?
    
    Thanks, Judy
    

    o Facetious method: Tell the hair, in a firm tone, "Get down!"
    
    o Practical method: Wear pet-colored clothing. [The method I find most
    successful, by the way - and even this only works if all your pets
    are the same color...]
    
    o Preventative method: Use anti-static rinse or dryer-sheets to reduce
    clinginess. Or, shave all your pets. Or become a nudist.
    
    o Brute-force method: Wrap masking tape around your hand, sticky side
    out, and pat the fur away. [This works, too, but it's a drag to have to
    do it all the time.]
    
    o Note: If your problem is with someone else's pet, you could start a
    rumor that you're considering taking up exotic cooking, and then try
    licking your lips whenever the critter's around.
    
    -b

    Thanks for the information about contrails! .191,.192 and .193
    
    and in re .194 take some scotch tape and wrap it around your
    hand with the sticky side *out* so that your fingers are covered 
    with tape. Then press your fingers on the pet hair. You'll have
    to renew the tape several times but this does work.
    
    Bonnie

    Re: -.1
    
    Yeah and you can use the tape method directly on the pet too!  Hee hee
    
    Mary

A large vacuum cleaner, applied to your pet twice a day, will usually keep the
fur under control... If you don't have a "pet-vac", a large shop vac may do.

For years, growing up, it wasn't safe to wear dark clothing in my house.  Two
white dogs (English Setter) and a white cat (generic fuzzy cat) made sure
of that.

						--Doug
						  ;-)

    "Pet vac" - now, there's a Christmas idea. It could surpass the
    old pet rocks. Just picture this canister vac following you around
    the house, looking up at you with that floor brush, purring (loudly)...

    Re .199: By Jove (oops - um, by Hera?), I think you could actually do
    that... Distribute a line of "vacuum cover-ups" designed to look like
    animals! An elephant comes to mind at once, what with the trunk and
    all, but one could also have the Anteater Vac, the Okapi Vac, or [on a
    more bizarre scale] the Hummingbird or Honeybee Vac...
    
    And the "Jaws" vac, for the long, low types; and maybe a simple
    "Tentacle" style for those with built-in house-vacuum systems. And...
    
    Sorry, got carried away. The idea of a giant, black-and-yellow-striped
    machine whooshing its way around the corner just tickled me!
    
    -b

	re: the Pet Vacs

	It's been done.  (sort of...)  There are craft patterns for covers for
upright vacuum cleaners.  The one I can remember is a country goose wearing a 
long dress. I think there are cows and pigs as well...

Tracey

    
    Does anyone know when the next Year of the Horse is, or if there 
    is such a thing?
    
    Carla
    
    (Stop laughing, Cheyenne!)
    

    G'day,
    
    
    This year is 'Year of the Horse'. The next one will be in 12 years
    time.
    
    It is part of the Chinese calendar which moves in 12 year cycles and
    has ( in order) years of the
    
    Rat, Bull, Tiger, Rabblt, Dragon, Snake, Horse,Sheep, Monkey, Rooster
    Dog, Pig
    
    1945, 57, 69, 81, 93 are years of the Rooster......
    
    so 42, 54, 66, 78, 90, 02 are years of the Horse...
    
    derek 
     

    G'day,

    Amongst my spare time(?) activities,  I am a first aid instructor. As
    part of the background information to the course, I often tell 'war
    stories' of accidents and incidents to show how first aid might have
    been applied, and to allow discussion about how the students might have
    handled the situation. Fortunately, most of the stories do not come
    from my own experience (although it has been said that I am a walking
    disaster area = 20 stitches, broken arm, dislocated shoulder, 2
    broken/badly strained ankles and wrists, drank a pint of kerosene, wasp
    stings, beestings, breath holding as a child and so on... 8-)  )

    However one story that I heard lately has me perplexed. I can offer no
    rational explanation, but since it featured three women (one of whom I
    know), I wondered if anyone here might be able to shed some light.

    First some background. The lady I know is a generally very positive
    person. She is 'in to' alternative medicine, self mind control, healing
    through massage, etc etc . Her friend apparently is also that way thinking.
    These things may be only by coincidence to the event.  

    Anyway, they were sitting at a cafe when a young (mid 20's) lass came
    and sat down nearby with a cup of coffee. After a while she was seen to
    slide from the chair to the ground where she lay twitching violently.
    My friend seeing that something neded to be done checked airway breathing
    and stuff and decided that she should hold onto the lass so she did not
    hurt herself on the ground. There were plenty of onlookers, naturally,
    and one was told to get an ambulance. As time went by, the girl began
    to stop twitching, but was clearly unconscious, but with her eyes open.
    (She was being held by my friend by being cradled in her arms to prevent
    her banging her head etc.)
    
    She proceded to "look" at my friend's friend, and then to my friend
    (ignoring all others around) and then she _growled_ at both of them. 
    and from the demo my friend gave, it was a real animal like bare teeth
    growl.....

    It was some minutes later that she started to recover, and as she came
    to, all she was interested in was her shoes... She claimed no use of
    drugs, and no history of fits or fainting....


    Well, from all your experiences, can anyone shed some light? What ailed
    this lass?


    derek
    
    

    Re. Derek
    
    Huh? That sounds like an 'ordinary' epilepsy attack - basically 'first
    aid' consists of indeed making sure the patient doesn't hurt
    him/herself, and making sure breathing stays possible (actually all the
    things you'd do for someone who fainted, once the involuntary movements
    stop). When coming around again, people are often very confused and
    might not recognise persons or the environment immediately. It helps if
    there is a soothing atmosphere and, as always, not three zillion people
    standing around. Usually in a couple of minutes all is fine again, and
    an ambulance wouldn't be necessary (if in doubt better safe than sorry,
    though). Some epilepsy cases can successfully be treated by medication.
    
    Ad (I know someone who has suffered this kind of attacks)

    
    re: .204
    
    Thanks.
    
    C.
    

    cheyenne,
    
    "snortle snortle"?!!    I LOVE it!  (*8  (*8

    G'day,
    
    re .206
    
    I agree about it seeming like being an epilepsy attack. That was my
    first reaction, and what the lady did was pretty much right - and yes
    there were many UFOs (Useless Fellow Onlookers). And yes, I considered
    that the confusion over the shoes pretty much the sort of thing that
    does happen. 
    
    What threw me was the part about singling out of the two folk who were
    helping and growling at them, whilst obviously being 'out to the
    world'. Yes I know that there can be a cry due to air being forced
    through clenched teeth etc, but it was not described this way, nor was
    it considered that when I questioned it.
    
    The lass in question also claimed no history of epilepsy....
    
    It just seemed a puzzle. I was told also that the lass seemed pretty
    slim to the point of being thin (= anorexia???)
    
    derek

    Derek,
    
>    What threw me was the part about singling out of the two folk who were
>    helping and growling at them, whilst obviously being 'out to the
>    world'.
    
    As far as I know people who are coming around after a epilepsy attack
    might not recognise their own family and can be *very* frightened or
    confused before they finally fully reach consciousness again. It might
    well have been a "deliberate" growl, I guess there is no telling.
    Remember that before it was recognised as a disease, it was often
    regarded as a token of "possession". 
    
    Epilepsy attacks can come in many forms ranging from a brief couple of
    seconds when somebody "switches off" up to a full scale attack which
    can be rather spectacular. People who suffer from it can be *very*
    embarrased about it, too. Perhaps she didn't want to go into it. The
    best advice to give (I suppose your friend has given it) is to see a
    doctor. As said, some cases can be effectively treated.
    
    Ad

    Ad is almost certainly correct. You describe a fairly classic 
    epileptic "grand mal" attack. 

    In June or July we were in a cafe having a spot of lunch, at the table
    near ours there was an English couple, the man suddenly started
    violently shaking, I commented to Harry that the guy was having an
    epileptic attack and Harry confirmed my diagnosis. 

    We put him on the floor and made sure he had a clear airway, was not
    biting his tongue and could not injure himself. After that the main
    problem was the onlookers. Harry had to pull rank as a doctor to stop
    the ambulance being called. 
    
    When the guy was coming round it was a bit more embarrassing that
    growling at someone. He tried to have sex with his girlfriend. It took
    both of us to restrain him. Within ten minutes he was more or less back
    to normal and we accompanied them to their hotel.

    A "petit mal" attack is quite different. The victim is almost totally
    unaware of the attack, which lasts at the most a few seconds but is
    often briefer. I have witnessed this too. The victim was working in a
    booth that sells tram tickets. He was just asking me what I wanted
    when, mid word, he stopped talking, looked blank, then carried on
    exactly from where he left off. This repeated itself for about a
    minute, an attack every few seconds, then he returned to normal.

    The only way he was aware it was happening was when he missed bits of
    my conversation. We waited until it was over and then I got my ticket.

    The victim in your case may well have had many attacks before and be
    unaware of them as they occurred while she was asleep. As Ad says the
    disease has acquired an undeservedly nasty reputation down through the
    years. As a child I was on a tram in Edinburgh when a woman had an
    attack. All the wrong actions were taken, despite the protestations of
    her companion who knew what should be done. The one remark that stuck
    in my child's mind was from a somewhat bigoted woman who was going on
    about "People like her being allowed to mix with normal folk." Even
    then I thought it was an unfair remark.

    Jamie.
                                                     

    There is a notesfile on EPILEPSY.  Please contact either of the
    following people for membership information:
    
    BEMIS::DIMASE
    WJOUSM::TJONES
    
    -Jody
    

    A grand mal seizure. Pretty classic for one who has a seizure disorder.
    (please don't call them epileptic fits anyone)
    As explained to me by a couple of neurologists, these dramatic seizures
    are triggered by bodily/brain-electric stresses.
    Virtually anybody can have a grand-mal type seizure if the bodily
    stresses are adequate. Think for instance of excessive dehydration, or
    high fever. Seizures under these circumstances are not uncommon and not
    necessarily symptomatic of seizure disorder (epilepsy)
    One of the charactistics of people with seizure disorder is that there
    is a much narrower "margin of safety" than normal. As an example, a
    seizure can be induced by sleep deprivation of what would seem to most
    as modest intensity. (e.g. 3 or 4 hours instead of the normal 7-8)
    Indeed one of the ways of checking for seizure disorder is to prescribe
    this kind of sleep deprivation and follow it with an EEG (brain wave
    measuring). It is not uncommon for subjects to have a seizure during
    the administration of the EEG.
    Anorexia plays havoc with the body. (As an example, frequently female
    anorexics have very irregular menstrual cycles; for some the mentrual
    cycle has temporarily terminated, amenorrhea?)
    It wouldn't surprise me (although I have never heard of a case) that
    prolonged anorexia could induce a chemical and/or physiological
    imbalance of sufficient intensity to trigger a seizure in a person who
    does not have a diagnosible case of seizure disorder.

    I suspect it was the noun, not the adjective, that was objected to.
    
    							Ann B.

    re .-1
    thankyou that's correct
    

    I've done a quick read back on the notes written so far and I haven't
    encountered the word "fit" yet; assuming this word is often used, I
    take it, Herb, you meant this as a preventive request. I'll add that it
    sounds derogatory in my ears too.
    
    Re. 214
    
    Nope, "falling sickness" did not entirely fell out. In fact the Dutch
    expression "vallende ziekte" translates literally ;-)
    
    Ad

    exactly, Ad

    G'day,
    
     Thanks folks... The info I had was more from the 'classic' text book
    arena.. You have filled in around that. Most useful. We're a funny lot,
    us humans.. all very wary of the unexplained. 
    
    I'll pass on the info back to my friend.
    
    BTW, our first aid book says call an ambulance if the seizure lasts
    more than 10 minutes.
    
    Derek
    
    

    >BTW, our first aid book says call an ambulance if the seizure lasts
    >more than 10 minutes.
    
    I can never figure out what people want to call an ambulance for.
    By the time the ambulance arrives the attack is usually over and the
    victim is groggy or asleep. Even if the ambulance arrived while the
    attack was still running I doubt if they could get the victim on to a
    stretcher and into the ambulance. Even in a hospital they let the
    attack run its course.

    BTW. Fit n a sudden attack. The term is usually reserved for the
    attacks of epilepsy but is also used more generally, e.g. a fit of
    coughing. (The Oxford Concise Medical Dictionary) Seems like the word
    "fit" is perfectly correct.

    Jamie.

    <I can never figure out what people want to call an ambulance for.

    Because the 'convulsions *may* not be a grand-mal seizure or anything
    else connected with epilepsy
    
    <Seems like the word "fit" is perfectly correct.
    Not as in 'epileptic fix'
    It has all sorts of connotations of fright, witchery, etc
    It also has 'mental' connotations which are _quite_ inaccurate
    
    It is an inappropriate way to communicate the reality of a seizure.
    I hope you won't argue about this. 

    I enjoy doing needlepint and thought that a random number pattern 
    gnerator program would be fun way to create one of a kind 
    abstract patterms.  
    
    Would someone have a program where you could enter in several symbols
    that you could mail to me?
    
    Cathy

    you might want to check out:
    
    CHEST::TERMINAL_ART
    PAGODA::MANDELBROT
    
    -Jody
    

    Jody,
    
    Took a quick peek.
    
    What I was thinking of was a program that would let you enter day
    3 colors 10 colors etc. and the program would generate a pattern
    of symbols that when followed would create abstract designs.  Sort
    of like a program that genrates the megabucks numbers only this
    one would allow numbers to be repeated.  80 colums by however many
    columns long and a nice pattern would result.
    
    Cathy

        Could you draw a picture of the kind of output you would
        be looking for?
        
        Dan

    Re .222

    >Because the 'convulsions *may* not be a grand-mal seizure or anything
    >else connected with epilepsy
    
    I can't think of anything that produces the same symptoms. Could you
    give me an example?

    ><Seems like the word "fit" is perfectly correct.
    >Not as in 'epileptic fix'
    >It has all sorts of connotations of fright, witchery, etc
    >It also has 'mental' connotations which are _quite_ inaccurate
    
    I used the word "fit" not "fix" I assume that was a typo. 

    Both the medical dictionary and the ordinary one link the word "fit"
    directly to epilepsy and not witchcraft. Although the medical
    dictionary favours the word "attack" it never uses the word "seizure".
    I then checked up on seizure and discovered that it is a Victorian term
    for the sudden attack of a disease. BTW it also has the secondary
    meaning of "being taken possession of", although this is in the legal
    sense and not the demonic one.

    I think that the words "fit" or "attack" is therefore more correct. If
    we keep redefining words eventually we won't know what we are talking
    about.

    >I hope you won't argue about this. 
    
    Why not? Must I just accept your opinion like a good little boy?

    Jamie.
                                                            

    >Because the 'convulsions *may* not be a grand-mal seizure or anything
    >else connected with epilepsy
    
    >I can't think of anything that produces the same symptoms. Could you
    >give me an example?

	I once mistook a pretty bad case of hyperventilation for an epyleptic
	fit, but the girl survived anyway.

    
    >Why not? Must I just accept your opinion like a good little boy?

	Jamie, be good little boy ;-)

	Charles

                                                            

    I think that had you been watching  you would have noticed that your
    patient was much more coherent than an epilepsy victim. But in any
    event Charles, would the addition of an ambulance have helped?

    Jamie.

    Better still Jamie.
    I played 20 questions by asking if someone of the 100 or so onlookers new
    the girl and if she was an epyleptic.
    After that it was simple, tell the onlookers to sod off or they would
    get seriously hurt and after the spasms subsided we carried her to a less
    crowded room with more fresh air.
    And calling an ambulance would not have helped at all.
    *If* the girl indeed was having an epylectic fit, the ambulance people would
    have done the same as everyone else with half a brain.
    Wait untill it's over and make sure noone gets hurt, and definately
    *not* try to break the persons arms and legs in an attempt to constrain
    her to a stretcher.
    
    Charles

    People who have been on, or are still on, some psychotropic drugs can
    be triggered into convulsions that look and act nearly identical to 
    an Epyleptic siezure.  And yes, sometimes hospitalization is required.
    Also, alcoholics can sometimes go into convulsions, again nearly
    identical in appearance to Epyleptic convulsions.  If an alcoholic is
    having this type of convulsion, they almost certainly need
    hospitalization.  
    
    E Grace

    G'day,
    
     Well let's not get our knickers in a knot...
    
    
   
    To the general layperson, descibing a fit as being of epileptic origin,
    gives adequate information to enable a range of signs to be inferred
    and interpreted. To say a person had a fit induced by Turette's
    Syndrome will almost always induce a blank stare....and a very bemused
    expression. 
    
    It matters not one drot that the fit comes from a named disease or from
    excessive drugs (and yes alcohol _is_ a drug), the fact remains that if
    you know how to look after the person that has become ill this way,
    then there is a certain course of action to take...
    
    
    Namely,
    
    Don't place yourself into danger,
    Protect others from danger
    protect the casualty from danger..
    
    monitor condition until the fits subside and the person may be
    approached
    Check Airway, breathing and circulation.
    treat any secondary problems (cuts, bruises, burns [from spilled
    coffee...])
    
    If the patient was in the fit for more than 10 minutes, summon medical
    aid urgently
    
    If in doubt about the casualty -ie thay are incoherent, show lowered
    conscious state or have any major secondary problems - then summon
    medical aid.
    
    When giving first aid, SINCE YOU ARE NOT A DOCTOR, you cannot 
    
    1 diagnose medical conditions 
    2 offer medical treatments
    
    and you MUST
    refer to medical aid if in any doubt whatsoever. Once you take control
    of a situation and offer first aid, then you are responsible until the
    situation is over. The best person to say when that is (depending on
    the severity) is a doctor. A doctor is paid to make that decision.
                                                       
   Derek

    Your faith in doctors is touching, misplaced, but touching.
    
    Jamie.

    
    some time ago I had a series of "incidents" taht the HMO I was
    attending could not diagnose. After some time they came to the
    conclusion that I was probably suffering from "Partial Complex Seizure
    Syndrome", which was explained as a condition related to epilepsy.
    
    So it appears the term "seizure" is not just an archaic victorian term,
    but is in common modern medical use.
    
    Incidentally it turned out eventually that I was not suffering from
    PCSS but from several related allergies to a family of food
    additives... (including a common additive to "low alcohol" beer - it
    appears that my condition dated from when I switched from real (if
    American canned fizz can be called real beer) beer to LA drinks.)
    
    /. Ian .\

    Re .235

    >So it appears the term "seizure" is not just an archaic victorian term,
    >but is in common modern medical use.

    I did not say that it was an archaic term. I said it was a term that
    became popular in Victorian times. However its exact meaning is a bit
    unclear even in the medical profession.

    Epilepsy is a generic term covering a group of disorders of brain
    functions characterised by recurrent attacks that have a sudden onset.

    Jamie.                                                     

    
    actually Jamie you said: 'Although the medical dictionary favours the
    word "attack" it never uses the word "seizure". I then checked up on
    seizure and discovered that it is a Victorian term for the sudden
    attack of a disease'
    
    So whilst you did not use the word 'archaic', you *did* say that
    'seizure' is a 'Victorian term', and hence by implication archaic. You
    also said that your dictionary *never* used the word seizure, yet I
    cited a case (PCSS) of a type of epilepsy that is *today* known by a
    name that includes the word seizure.
    
    If you are going to be pedantic Jamie, at least be accurately pedantic
    :-)
    
    /. Ian .\

        So it seems the discussion about the language has now
        spread to include an American, a European, and someone
        who has lived on at least three continents. [?] :-)
        
        Dan

    I'm outta here, it's all English to me anyway ;-)
    
    
    Ad

    G'day,

    _ackershally_ Jamie, I did not say I had faith in doctors.... (please
    check). All I said was that they are paid (and as my son pointed out,
    insured) to make medical decisions. As a first aider, there are some
    remedial actions that may be instigated, but in order to end one's
    responsibilities to the patient, a referral to professional medical
    help is the best action available.

    and fit and seizure are often used to mean the same thing.

    Generally I suspect wherever there is evidence of uncontrollable muscle
    action, of a duration longer than a spasm, and particularly where
    rigidity of limbs or body is evidenced.
    
    
    derek
    

    Well the one I live with tends to look round for a Boy Scout if a first
    aid emergency crops up.

    Ian, you misinterpreted what I meant. The word seizure was invented by
    the Victorians. The medical dictionary avoids all use of the word
    however a medical textbook that I was reading the other day did use the
    word to describe the condition of heroin addicted babies born to women
    who are hooked on the drug. The term is a bit vague.

    Jamie.

    OK Jamie:
    
    I still have a medical record that includes a false diagnosis of a
    condition the name of which includes the word seizure.
    
    However I take your point.
    
    /. Ian .\

    Be warned Ian the medical profession has some "interesting" terms. For
    example if you have high blood pressure and the doctor calls it
    "essential hypertension" you might be mislead into believing this is
    the name of an ailment. In fact what it means is "Your blood pressure
    is up and we haven't the foggiest idea why."

    Jamie.

    
    quite so.
    
    /. Ian .\

Especially watch out for the word "idiopathic" in a description of a disease...

	:-)
	-- Charles

P.S. It means "we don't know what caused it"

	re. .-1

	Or as my mother the nurse puts it

		"The idiots don't know the pathology."

						clb

    Another diagnosis that should make your ears prick up is
    
    		iatrogenic
    
    which means that the treatment for your last problem caused your
    current problem.
    
    						Ann B.

    G'day
    
    And AODT on the prescription.....
    
    
    as in    AODT 3tsp iv pd, 
    
    
    
    
    
    Any Old Darn Thing 
    
    derek
    
    oh BTW Jamie, I run a Venturer Scout Unit too.... :-)
    
     

Re: .247

Aha! I was recently reading in Science News about "White Coat Hypertension,"
people whose blood pressure goes up anytime someone takes their blood pressure.
This is a serious problem, since these people aren't at any particular risk, but
get treated for hypertension anyway. The treatments for hypertension often have
"adverse side effects" (like the impotence I mentioned in another note). These
poor people get so anxious at the sight of a doctor ("white coat") that their
blood pressure shoots up. "iatrogenic hypertension" indeed.


	-- Charles

    A long while back I was refused a life insurance policy because of mild
    hypertension. Harry taught me how to bring it down and we requested a
    second medical opinion and I passed.

    If you did a continuous monitor of your blood pressure while you did
    something stress inducing, like driving in traffic, you would get a shock. 

    Relaxing totally, physically and mentally, while they measure the it
    can bring you down 10 or 20 points. Being angry when they test you can
    put it up by 50 or more.

    So if the insurance company wants a medical before they will insure you,
    you would be well advised to arrive in an unstressed condition. Not
    rushing in late having just driven through rush hour to get there. And
    while you are lying on the table think of something relaxing that you
    enjoy. The difference between the two extremes is considerable.

    Jamie.

    
    Anyone know any good cures for a hangover?
    
    &-}
    

    Try a stiff G&T... ;-)
    
    
    Ad

    Bacon, eggs, sausages and coffee.
    Always does the trick.
    
    Helpfully yours,
    Charles

    Uummmmmm....
    
    don't drink?
    
    
    and a hug! Yeah, hugs'll cure anything!
    
    E Grace

    Hashbrowned potatoes with plenty of salsa, and/or a chili-cheese omlete
    made with Colorado texmex style red chili.  Also a spoonful of liquid b
    vitamins, after you have something on your stomach of course.  
    
    Lots of hugs,
    
    Meg

    re .255 You can eat that without _beer_ ?!! Color me impressed!

    First, remember your vitamin B the night before...
    
    For the morning after, a lox and onion omelet, bagel of choice, lots of
    black coffee and orange juice.  Then some aspirin.  (: >,)
    
    If you're too far gone for that, try to choke down some water and have
    someone sympathetic around.
    
    Dr. D.

    Dana,
    
    Doesn't everyone eat that way ;-)?  Actually,  my specialty is venison
    green chili, or fajita's, but that isn't hangover food, thats dinner. 
    Colorado texmex chili is failry mild stuff by comparison and some of
    the heat of the salsa is soaked up by the hashbrowns.  Salsa is good in
    that for me it heats up the stomach and gets things working again, and
    the heat loosens up clogged sinuses.  I think the vitamin C in salsa is
    also good for overindulgence, but that might just be a placebo effect.  
    
    Meg 

    re .258 Sigh. Are you married?

    tall glass of water w/2 asprin before you fall down on the bed
    
    in the morning, English Breakfast tea steeped with cloves, and honey.
    Prepare as follows:
    
    Boil the water for the tea.
    Moisten 2 plain-old teabags, wrap them in damp paper napkins. 
    Chop up a cucumber and wrap up the bits in a damp paper towel.
    Pour the boiling water into the teacup to steep.  While it's steeping,
    Recline in a chair.  Put a damp wrapped teabag on each eye.  Put the
    wrapped cuke plopped on your face. (Stop laughing!)  Leave a spot to
    breathe of course!  Now rest for 5 minutes.
    
    Get up, throw out the teabags & cuke, put honey in your tea, and drink.
    
    It's been -y-e-a-r-s- since I needed this, but it worked for me.  The
    damp stuff makes your eyes feel better and refreshes you in general.

    Dana,
    
    Not married, but happily "living in sin" for 7 years.  However, anytime
    you're in the Springs, give me a call, and I'll see to it that you get
    some Southwest-organic-hippie type food, Meg style, washed down with a
    good homebrewed lager, Frank style.
    
    Meg

    Hangovers are mostly due to dehydration. Your body uses up more fluid
    processing the alcohol that you took in while drinking. To prevent
    a hang over when you've planned on partying make every other drink
    non alcoholic. This way your fluid intake will exceed the amount needed
    to process the alcohol.
    
    Lots of fluids before going to bed, a B vitamin and tomatoe juice
    (for potassium) also help prevent negative effects. The next morning
    lots of fluids if you feel bad.
    
    (This was the question my students most commonly asked me when I was
    teaching college level Biology, so I did a bit of research on the
    subject.)
    
    Bonnie

    
    Thanks people....I'm now feeling much better.....
    
    It seems to have been six pints of water and a peanut butter and
    tomatoe puree sandwich that did the trick. Oh yeah - and nine hours
    sleep!
    
    'gail
    

Been a long time since I've had a hangover, but my treatment used to include
anything that I could put *hot* salsa on.  If I was able to move and assuming
I had some, I'd heat up a couple of burritos and load them up with salsa.  Lack-
ing those I'd fry up a couple eggs and load them up with salsa, a couple of 
jalapenos and wash it down with my cola of choice.  Then a couple of aspirin
and a brief spell on the couch and voila!  A day or 2 later I felt great!

I assume that should I encounter a hangover these days I'd approach treatment
in similar manner, but would probably substitute a couple bowls of my chili
for the eggs.  But it would have to be hot.



Jim

    Would any of the women who have delivered babies using natural child
    birth (or men who have been coaches) be willing to contact me?  I need
    to know the breathing and pushing patterns for my role in the new show
    I am doing.
    
    E Grace
    
    
    Yes, I know.  It *is* fairly ironic...

re: .266

E Grace,

	At least you don't have time to really become a method actor on this
one!

							--D

    Doug,
    
    
    
    
    YYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Haven't had a single hangover since I quit drinking 6 or 7 years ago.
Wonder if there is some correlation there!?!

john

I think you may have hit on something, John.  




Jim

    A-HEM!
    
    See .254
    
    
    Nyah nyah nyenyah nyah...beat ya to it!!!!!
    
    (*8

    I am looking at a world map.  At the bottom (of course) is Antarctica.
    All along the top it is marked "Queen Maud Land".  
    
    WHO was Queen Maud?
    
    E Grace

    ... or perhaps even a Drag Queen in bellbottoms...?  :-) :-)
    
    But more seriously folx
    
    I dunno really, perhaps a queen of Norway or Denmark or some
    Scandinavian-Where, they sent a lot of explorers to the South Polar
    region -- vide Amundsen...  I think that Queen Maud land is in or near
    the Norwegian-claimed side, FWIW (kinda points towards South Africa I
    think...)  Help, Norwegian =wn=ers?

    Actually its Queen Maudlin.  The ice there is very *mushy* :-)
    
    Mary
    

    My high school senior-age son is starting to contemplate possible
    career choices/courses of study with a view towards getting started
    on the college hunt.  He is not planning on going to college until
    1992 - he'll be taking a year off and working and getting his act
    more together for the immediate post-high-school year.  I firmly
    support him in this plan.
    
    The question for this forum is - I need someone who is actually
    *doing* engineering to describe to him what engineering is all about.
    His mental map says that engineers "sit at a desk all day and punch
    buttons".  I know that's not true, but Mom isn't an engineer and
    isn't a credible source for describing what they *do* do.  He really
    is a very people-oriented person, which makes me suspect that IE
    might be a better route for him than EE.  
    
    He may not end up in engineering.  But his math and science grades
    are the best that he gets.  He has great spatial visualization skills 
    (like seeing something in two dimensions and being able to define how 
    it will work in three).  So I at least would like him to have a
    clear picture of what he is turning down if he elects not to go
    in this direction.
    
    Many thanks.
    
    Alison

    RE .275
    
    You might suggest that he take an evening course or two while he's
    working, maybe something like CAD, at a local Community College.

    Alison, if you live within free-phone-call distance of some major city
    and your boy were to have some sort of personal computer and a
    2400-baud modem, he could get unlimited access to lots of engineers and
    computer hobbyists through BBSes (bulletin board systems, not unlike
    VAXnotes but less scope and power).  Many of these folks are not EEs or
    computer professionals; many just use their computers in the normal
    course of their work lives -- which range thru engineering to the
    clergy, with stops in teaching and stamp-collecting too.  
    
    Personal computers are quite inexpensive these days, and you can get
    one that he can (nay, will INSIST on!) take off to college should he
    elect to go.
    
    If you like, call my DTN for a bit of offline advice...  Also try the
    Boston Computer Society, the world's largest such organization.  There
    are SIGs (Special Interest Groups) for many, many computer marques and
    professions.  They're in the phone book (my membership card doesn't
    have a phone #) and they offer student membership rates.
    
    Macishly :-),
    
    Dan

    I just bought a Salton yoghurt maker at a thrift shop. Is there
    anyone around who has used one to make yoghurt who can give me
    advice on using it? There were no directons included.
    
    Bonnie

    How do I get a Mass State Tax form?  I was sent one in the mail, but it
    was the 1-2-3 form, and since I was a resident for only part of the
    year, I need one of the more complicated forms.  I thought they had
    them at the post office, but I went there, and all they had were
    Federal Forms, and they didn't even have to books to go with them, just
    the form itself!
    
    When will the Federal Forms be sent out?
    
    D! who always files her taxes as *soon* as she get's her W-2's back.

    Check your local library. Lowell library has them.
    

D!  If you look on your 1-2-3 form on the back page (I believe) you
will find a number of where to get alternate forms...

    You can get tax forms also at your local post office (the bigger the
    P.O., the more likely they are to have them).
    
    REAL_ESTATE is at node TALLIS.
    
    -Jody
    

	Another place to check is at your town hall.  That's where I had 
	to go to find them last year.


	>>AL<<

    re .281
    
    Federal forms are out, I got mine the day before I got my Mass forms. 
    Large cities in Mass may have an office of the department of revenue,
    check your phone book for an address, and stop by sometime and pick up
    the forms (and instructions) that you need.
    
    Rich (who is waiting for other pieces of data to come trickling in)

    Thanks, but I'm not gonna pay someone else to do my taxes - it takes me
    5 minutes.  I copy the numbers from my w-2 onto my EZ form, and
    *viola*, it's done.  Maybe if I owned property or had kids or donated
    large sums of money to charity or ran a small business or invested
    heavily it would be worth it to get someone else to do it, but what's
    the point for someone like me?
    
    D!

>>	*viola*, it's done.  
    
    	Boy, are you lucky. My taxes take the whole string section.

    
    Do we have readers in Pennsylvania?  I have a small favor to ask
    someone from that friendly state.  It shouldn't take longer than 
    5 minutes.  I'll supply the details in mail.
    
    Thanks!
    
    CQ

    Now LSD no longer refers to British coinage.

    I understand that the shilling has been discontinued?
    
    BJ

        re .293,
        
>>    Now, for beautiful currency, the Dutch notes are the prettiest colours
>>    around. And even have Braille indentations at the corners for those
>>    with visual impairment.
        
        Perhaps Ad will describe the Dutch currency for us?
        
        Dan
        0:-)

  Thanks, all.

  Yeah, Dutch paper currency is beautiful.  Each denomination is a different
  color and the bills have pictures of birds (yay!) done by real artists.
  My in-laws couldn't understand why anyone would want all bill denominations
  to be the same color.  I'd never thought about it before but once asked,
  I couldn't figure it out either.

  The 5 Guilder coin is also a beautiful one.

  JP

    When I've been in Ireland, I found that there is no 25-cent coin, just
    10-cent, then 50-cent. And the 10-cent coin was about the size of an
    American silver dollar.
    
    It was amazing how full and heavy one's pockets could get very quickly,
    full of Irish "dimes"
    
    ....Bob

    
    Question:
    
    My brother turns 23 this weekend.  Would he be eligible for the
    draft if it were reinstated (he's still in college)?  If yes,
    then would my 25-year old brother be (he's no longer in college)?
    If him too, then how about my 26-year old brother (also no longer
    in college)?  The 26-year old is the only one who is married and
    none of them have kids yet.
    
    Thanks.
    

    Ellen,

    I am not an expert on this issue, so what I can tell you is based on
    what I have been able to pick up here and there.  Of course, if a draft
    is instituted, the draft laws as they have been could be changed.

    My understanding is that men aged 18-25 are eligible for the draft. 
    Also, as I understand it, they would go for the 20-year-olds first, and
    then go upwards to age 25, and finally the 18 and 19 year olds.

    They have also apparently done away with most of the deferments that
    were in effect during the early days of the Vietnam War.  Remember also
    that if a call up is reinstated, the draftee has very little time to
    apply for conscientious objector status, and it might be a good idea
    for any potential CO to begin starting a CO file now, just in case.

    You might want to contact the CCCO or the AFSC for more information.

    -- Mike

    	RE: .306  Mike V.
    
    	> ...they would go for the 20-year-olds first...
    
    	My son Ryan just turned 20 last month, of course.
    

>How easy is it for vending machine owners to adapt their hardware to
>use the new 5p and 10p coins?  And why are the govt making new smaller
>coin designs, anyway?  Is it a matter of the minting cost per coin?

	Very easy if they're newer ones, a tweek of a switch. All the
	coffee machines were done in less than a day.

	Heather

    I have a question about gateways
    
    Is there any difference between DECWRL and DECPA otherthan the fact
    that DECWRL seems to be out of order more often?
    
    Also when I send a message out of the Digital network, the message is
    first intercepted by volition.enet.dec.com before it goes out to decpa
    or decwrl.  Imcoming messages don't make this stop.
    
    (From it's name I would assume volition is some sort of routing system
    but the name is too long to be a node name.)
    
    Just curious, as sometimes my messages get held up.  One that I sent
    today spent 20 minutes getting from volition to decpa.
    
    Lisa

    G'Day Lisa,
    
    	DECPA is just another gateway to the Internet.  There are others
    too but DECWRL is the only supported one and the only one that has the
    capacity to handle large quantities of mail and news.  If you must get
    mail through then the owners of the other systems have said they can be
    used, otherwise wait for DECWRL to come back to life.  You should of
    course be using NMail when sending to DECWRL too.  A lot of the
    'problems' with DECWRL are not really problems - just that it is
    currently overloaded and cannot accept any more links.  NMail will
    try to send you message again after 1/2 hour.  Also without NMail you
    keep a network link open to the gateway for the entire time you are
    typing your message.  This is very inefficient.
    
    	As for the node volition - this is Paul Vixie's machine (the
    owner/manager of the DECWRL gateway).  As you say, volition is too long
    for a nodename but that is only true for a DECnet nodename.  All of
    these machines are running ULTRIX and TCP/IP networking which allows
    longer node names.  There are usually DECnet alias names set up to
    point to the various nodes but that is about where my knowledge on the
    subject runs out.
    
    	Hope that helps,
    
    David.
    

    Thanks David.
    
    Another way to avoid keeping the link open is to use e-mail, as in mail
    with EMACS as the editor.  It doesn't attempt to create the link until
    the mail item is completely typed in.
    
    I ended up being curious about this when I read all that junk at the
    end of Internet messages,  mostly to figure out how long it took to get 
    the message after it was sent (sometimes over 24 hours).
    
    Lisa

    G'Day,
    
    	Glad I could help Lisa.  Now it's my turn for a question.
    
    	I just entered a note about our solar eclipse and typed in the date
    ie 16-1-91 (we Aussies write it differently - day first).  Now you
    should be able to notice that if you turn this upside down and read it
    backwards it is the same.  I know that words, numbers etc that are the
    same backwards are called pallindromes (sp?) but is there a word for
    our date today?
    
    	David
    

    see also: 
    
    UPSAR::GATEWAYS

    re: .313
    
    God! I hate people with alternative first names!
    
    E Grace

    I would like to add someone to a mailing list, but the mail I received
    from that individual came from ALL-IN-1.  I don't have a clue how to
    send VAXmail messages to omeone's ALL-IN-1.  Can anyone fill me in?
    Thanks.
    
    Peace,
    Mike

    
    
    	CXO3::MRGATE::"<location::all-in-1_name>"
    

    Suzanne,
    
    I am getting an error connecting to node CX03 (remote node is unknown).
    
    -- Mike

    
    	It's CXO (like "Oliver") 3, not CX-zero-3.
    

    Mike,
    
    I think it should read CXO3 rather than CX03.  It's worth a shot
    anyway.
    
    Christine

    Thanks, Suzanne and Christine; that seems to work.
    
    And yes, my face *is* red (considering the fact that I work at CXO3,
    and ought to know my own facility code).  :-)
    
    -- Mike

    Does this make me a nerd 'cause I finally knew an
    answer??? ;-)
    
    Glad it worked Mike!
    
    Christine

    I need som equick information on sodium penathol, the so-called truth
    drug...
    
    Is it really a truth-drug?  If you say something under it, is that
    thing guaranteed to be true (the the best of your knowledge, I assume.) 
    Can it get at information that is conciously unavailable to the person
    (ie: something they've repressed) the way hypnotism can?  Is it
    admissible in court?
    
    Thanks in advance,
    D!

    G'Day Diana,
    
    	Sodium Pentathol (note the extra 't') is the drug used for general
    anaesthetic.  In smaller doses it can and has been used as a 'truth
    drug'.  I'm no doctor but I assume it must work on some part of the
    brain that basically removes your ability to consciously have control
    over what you are saying.  In other words you can't consciously lie but
    you are able to say things that are true.  I don't know if it has the
    ability to make you remember something like some forms of hypnotism
    can.
    
    	All that said it must be remembered that this is a very dangerous
    drug!  Anaesthesia is controlled death and its misuse could easily lead
    to the person dying.
    
    David.
      

    It also tends to produce a core dump of whatever is on the top of
    your mind, the things you're most worried about, etc.  Or
    sometimes some random forgotten memory of childhood, or a fantasy,
    or almost anything.
    
    My best friend had a c-section back in the days before spinals
    became routine, and while she was out, she was going into raptures
    about some guy named Charlie, who turned out to be a character in
    the soap opera she liked to watch . . . fortunately this was also
    in the days before husbands accompanied their wives in the
    delivery room, so she didn't have to try to explain Charlie to her
    husband . . .
    
    --bonnie

RE .325

I think I finally understand Soapbox!

    re: Sodium Pentathol...
    
    It was administered by the doctor in the presence of a lawyer and
    family.  The things said in response to questions by the lawyer were
    very surprising, and weren't what I really thought was true.  So I was
    just wondering how valid the answers would be.  (The person was being
    asked questions about hir own actions.)
    
    Thanks,
    D!

    I duuno where else to put this, so....
    
    	I'm looking for at least 1, and preferably 3, copies of
    	"Southwest Art" magazine, September 1990.
    
    	I've called Southwest Art, and they have no back copies.
    
    	If you have a copy or know either where I can get one, or
    	who else to get in touch with, please let me know.
    
    Thanks,
    
    --DE
    

    
    You might get a wider audience if you post your note in ASKENET.
    I don't know the node but I imagine someone else here does.
    
    CQ

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	[KP7 or Select to add MEIS::ASKENET to your notebook.]

	Actually, ASKENET is not really intended for that sort of "bulletin
board/wanted" sort of posting.  Properly rephrased, however, it might pass.

Example:

	I'm looking for copies of the Feb 31, 1492 issue of "Kitty Bondage" 
magazine and  though I have called the publishers, they do not have any back
issues for this date.  I live in Scranton PA, but am willing to drive up to 
two weeks, or make international phone calls to obtain these magazines.  Can 
anyone suggest where else I might look?


	The important things here are that you are asking for a source of
information, that you say where you are located (ASKENET is an international
forum) and that you have exhausted the obvious channels.  Be prepared to
receive a pointer to other conferences.

				--Doug
				  [nominal] Host & Co-moderator of ASKENET

    
    Oops.  Hi Doug. :-)
    
    Ok, here are some pointers:
    
    THEBAY::ADS_WEST_COAST
    ACE::NEW_MEXICO
    FINALY::ARTIST_FORUM
    
    Less likely:
    
    MXOC00::MEXICO
    SRFSUP::LA_STUFF
    SRFSUP::BAJA (Baja California)
    PNO::PHOENIX
    
    Christine

    yee-haw!  disciples!
    
    -Jody
    

    
    What did I get myself into? :-)
    
    

    See, Christine? It's like software: "you touch it, you *own* it!"
    
    thanks, all!
    
    

    Don't laugh.. please.
    
    This is so embarassing. I don't know if it belongs here.  I got my
    ears pierced just over 5 weeks ago.  Well, it's time to take out the
    earrings, and I can't !  I mean I pulled and pulled and the backing
    won't budge!  The backing will turn around the post, but that's it.
    Am I missing some secret here?  I've been able to take the backing
    of other earrings with no prob.  Are they stuck forever?
    
    Kathy

    You can rub bacitracin or neosporin or some other antibacterial goo in
    on both sides of the earring 2 or 3 times a day (it's very greasy
    stuff) and then try to turn the earring a bit... - that should 
    loosen it up.  When I got my ears pierced they told me to rub on
    bacitracin and turn the earring a quarter turn a day for 6 weeks until
    the hole had healed *through* the ear, otherwise it kind of includes
    the earring in the healing process if it's not turned.  I'm sure
    nothing is irreversible though...so be patient!  
    
    If this is the stud through the cartilege at the top of your ear, I'm
    not sure how that one would heal through (whether it's the same as a
    piercing in the lobe).  Can anyone else help here?
    
    -Jody
    

    Kathy,
    
    I take it you mean that the earrings will move, but you just can't take
    off the back; is this correct?
    
    If so, I think I know the problem.  The earrings they use for piercing
    have a little groove near the end of the post.  I guess this is so you
    won't accidentally pull the back off while you are turning the
    earrings.  Anyway, they do take extra effort to take off.  In fact, I
    had to get help the first time, as I too was confused (and feeling
    foolish).  
    
    I hope this helps.
    
    E Grace

    Yeah, those "training" studs are extra hard to get off. Be careful, you
    can hurt yourself when it finally does pop off - it can take that much
    force. If you can find a friend who isn't completely unnerved by the
    amount of force required, has a steady hand, and is willing I would
    recommend getting said friend to do it.
    
    	-- Charles

    
    
    >>Yeah, those "training" studs are extra hard to get off.
    
    
    Oh, Charles!  What a concept!  
    
    Forgive me...I couldn't help myself.  {:8
    
    E Grace

I agree with .340. Have a friend take them off. It required alot of
force to get the backs off my trainers. 

I recently added two holes to one ear. When my six weeks were up, I
couldn't get either of the trainers out. I had to have someone else
take the backs off. Also, a word of caution about caring for thme
after the trainers come out. My orginal holes were made with sleepers
when I was a kid. They never seem to close up. I've noticed that these
holes made with the punch have a tendency to close up. This may be my
ears or it may be the process, I don't know. My six weeks ended in
mid-December. I am still wearing the trainers at night, because I
don't feel like the holes are fully healed. If I wear small-posted
earrings, the holes seem to close around them. I still swab them twice
a day with alcohol or hydrogen peroxide. And soak every pair of
earrings that go in my ear. Just after the 6 weeks, I stopped doing
that for a week and both new holes got pretty disgusting. They are
slowly healing. I'm really looking forward to the day when the new
holes are as trouble-free as my old ones.

-Patti

    >My orginal holes were made with sleepers
    >when I was a kid. They never seem to close up. I've noticed that these
    >holes made with the punch have a tendency to close up.
    
    It probably isn't the process but how long you have had them pierced.
    
    The piercers will tell you that your ears are healed in 6 to 8 weeks,
    but actually, that just means thats when you can take the earrings out. 
    It really takes 6 months to a year for the piercings to *really* heal,
    such that you can go for an extended period of time without any
    closing.
    
    Also, the higher up on the ear you go, the longer is takes to
    completely heal.  My first piercings took about 5 or 6 months to
    totally heal (no gunk, no pain, no problem leaving earrings out, no
    infections, etc.)  My second piercing up was last March and it just
    finished healing around December.  My third piercing up was in early
    September and it still has at least a few months to go.
    
    A general tip: while the piercing is in the healing stage (the first 6
    months or so), don't wear wire earrings or thin posts for extended
    period of times, or the holes will shrink.  The best thing for them is
    to wear thick posted studs pretty constantly, only changes them for
    "dress" thinner earrings when you need to.
    
    If the hole *does* shrink so that you can't get your original starter
    stud back in (mine have) don't force it!  There will be plenty of time
    to stretch out the piercing after it has healed.  While it is healing,
    avoid doing anything to stretch or pull it.
    
    D!, a well-pierced puppy

Hi...

I was wondering if anyone in this file knows what the node is for the
conference that is called:   ISRAEL_GULFWAR


Thanks,
C

    
    
    			HPSCAD::ISRAEL_GULFWAR
    
    
    
    
                        					Jim

    I have that also, but everytime I open that conference I get file
    not found.
    
    Jane
    

    If you find you have trouble accessing conferences, one good place to
    ask for clarification is at TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES
    
    -Jody
    

    I've set Jody's reply so that if you hit the 7 key on your key pad
    turris::easynet_conferences will be added to your note book.
    
    Please, however, if you are looking for a conference, *DON'T* go
    in that file and start a base note about the conference you
    are looking for.
    
    Rather do a 'dir /title="conference name" where "conference name"
    is the name or what you can recall of the name of the conference 
    you are looking for.
    
    You will discover the note that was used to announce the conference
    you are looking for, by this method, and can then go to it
    and find the moderator(s) name(s) and write to hir to find out
    what is happening with the conference you are looking for.
    
    Bonnie

        re .2 ... everytime I open that conference I get file not found.
        
        You may have used a '-' instead of an '_' in the name.
        
        Dan

    Anyone know how to do tie-dye?
    
    Pointers for books, places to get books, dyes, supplies, etc in the
    Boston/NH area greatly appreciated.
    
    D!

    Tie-Dye.
    
    More properly known as Shibori (bound resist).
    
    There are courses throughout the Boston Area.  Look for "surface
    design."  You can find them at various adult ed courses, community
    colleges, and state schools.  For example, Mass Art's continuing
    education class on "surface design" begins tonight.
    
    But *beware*.  Many of these courses have explicit bans on tie-dye
    t-shirts.
    
    
    As for pointers for books, places to get books, supplies, etc....
    If you'd asked about a year ago, I would have said in half-a-second
    "Batik and Weaving Supplier" in Arlington, MA.  Believe it or not,
    people would take the T from all over Boston to come to this store.
    Very very good.  But, it's now closed.
    
    Should be able to get you a list of suppliers in the Boston area
    in the next few days.
    
    								-mr. bill

    
    Would someone post here the steps for doing the KP7 or SELECT thing?
    
    Help is incredibly unhelpful with this; I know it's in there 'cause
    I've found it before but I can't find it now.
    
    Thanks,
    
    CQ
    

    at the note type
    
    "MODIFY NOTE/CONFERENCE="NODENAME::CONFERENCE"
    
    -Jody
    

    Thanks for the help folks!  I finally got the "training studs 8)"
    off and it took everything short of a crowbar!  I yanked them out
    and it hurt.  I noticed after I got them out that they were thicker
    than normal earrings and did have a bit of a groove on the post.  
    I am so glad the ordeal is over and I'm relieved that I'm not the
    only one who's had a problem with new earrings.   
    
    Kathy

    ... as in "diagonal cutters," tool-name jargon, mentioned in in this
    file I think, perhaps a month ago...  Can't believe no one invoked
    their help this time.   :-) x 10...
    
    Not for the earlobe, of course!!  Just insinuate the blades below the
    recalcitrant thingamabob that won't come off the stud, give a quick
    CLIP, and you're free.  Minus a training stud of course, but who
    cares...?

    Are there any FOCUS wizzes in the audience?
    
    Bonnie

    Does _anyone_ have a copy of the BOSTON PHOENIX issue with the 1990
    Year in Review?  Can I get a copy of the article?
    
    The 'recycle demon' took my copy to the Nashua City Dump and is now
    powerful sorry, but ...
    
      Annie

  If the conference you're looking for has been announced in EASYNET_
  CONFERENCES for more than a week or so, there's another way to find
  it within EASYNET_CONFERENCES that may be faster than "DIRECTORY
  /TITLE=fragment".

  Within the various replies to Note 2, the conference moderators
  maintain lists of all of the announced conferences, sorted out into
  the various categories such as "BASE SYSTEMS", "LANGUAGES AND EDITORS",
  "EMPLOYEE INTERESTS", etc.  By typing "SEARCH /NOTES=2.* fragment",
  you can quickly search for your text fragment among all of the
  replies to Note 2.  And if you need the detailed information
  provided by the original announcement string, the number of the
  base note is included.

  As an illustration, I've included a typical 2.* reply below.

  Usually, this method is faster.  The only disadvantages of this
  method are:

    o That after "SEARCH" finds the appropriate 2.* reply, you'll
      need to scan the entire reply, either manually or with your
      editor to find the particular line that lists the conference
      you're interested in.

    o If your search fragment is fairly general and appears often,
      then you'll spend too long reading the reply that turns up,
      searching for the next reply, reading it, etc.

                                   Atlant


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    	This isn't a request for info or anything, but I didn't know
    	where else to put this:
    
    	On CNN and Headline News, has anyone else noticed that there
    	is an occasional "beep" sound that doesn't seem connected at
    	all with their coverage or with their videotapes or live feeds
    	from correspondants?
    
    	Also, do their VTs look familiar?  :-)
    
    	If I'm not mistaken, it appears that they are getting the "beeps"
    	from VAXmail messages while on the air.  Maybe not, but it does
    	seem that way.
    
    	It strikes me as funny in a way - I can imagine them checking
    	their mail during commercials (and possibly dropping into their
    	own NOTES conferences to unwind a bit before going back on the
    	air.)  :-)
    
    	After having worked in television production for 5 years myself,
    	and the computer biz for 10 years, I've found great similarities 
    	between television and computer folks.

	re .361,

>> What's the node::name of a notesfile in which I could ask about the
>> best Boston French restaurants?

	Searching for the obvious words in EASYNOTES.LIS I found:

	Boston			DELNI::BOSTON				 1062
	Boston Restaurants	MAY14::BOSTON_EATS			 2082
	Restaurants		ASABET::EATS				  831
	Great Beantown Fr. Food	NEMAIL::BEST_BOSTON_FRENCH_RESTAURANTS	   17

	Dan

>    Are there any FOCUS wizzes in the audience?
    
 

	There is a notes conference:

	SHIRE::FOCUS, it is European based.

	We are currently migrating from V5.2 to V5.2.3, there are problems with
	.MAS files if you have then suffixed .ISAM.

	IBI are investigating.


	PICA::BLANCHETTE is the place to report problems, he is the DIS Tools
	Project Manager.


	Hope this helps,

	Heather

    Heather
    
    i've asked my questions in the American focus conference and i have
    the Eurpean one in my note book.
    
    butthanks for the pointer.
    
    Bonnie

    Where in Nashua can I get my picture taken for a passport?
    
    Please respond by mail, thanks.
    
    D!

    
    
    
    >Where in Nashua can I get my picture taken for a passport?
    
    I had my picture taken at the Digital AmEx office (for free) in
    Marlboro.  They can't give you a passport if you've never had one
    before, but they can re-new an old one and/or give you the application
    (and take your pictures) for a new one.
    
    Is there an AmEx location in Nashua that handles Digital Travel (I
    would think there would be)...  otherwise look in the phone book.  Most
    photo stores that develop film will do it.
    
    kath
    
    

    Does anyone know the address for 'Rosie's Place' (Boston, MA)? I lost 
    track of the address after it burned and moved. (BTW- Contributions
    are eligible for Digital Matching Gifts).

    Cheers,
    	George

    
    Is there a notesfile about Austria?
    
    Carla (who's hoping to catch a celebration of Mozart this year up
           close and personal in Vienna)
    

    VNOTSC::AUSTRIA shows up in easynotes.lis...
    
    DougO

    
    Thanks, DougO.
    
    C.
    

    What is the address of the Boston Globe? 
    
    Thanks,
    D!

    135 Morrissey Boulevard
    Boston, Mass 02125

    I'm posting this for a noter who wishes to remain anonymous.  If you do
    not wish to respond in the file, please send me mail and I will forward
    it to the noter.
    
    -Jody
    
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    I need to talk to someone who reads =wn= that works in personnel, and
    knows policies and procedures VERY well, and can frankly and honestly
    give me some answers. I need COMPLETE confidence, and the abilty to
    know that the answers I am getting are solid answers.

	thank-you

	a =wn= reader.
    	

Dear anonymous noter:

  I assure you that there is no one in this corporation who can assure
  you that the answers you may be given are "solid" answers.  No ans-
  wer is ever solid -- it can always be litigated, and the results of
  litigation are sometimes *VERY* surprising.

                                   Atlant

Much to my surprise, I can still find =maggie in VTX ELF.  This makes me
wonder whether some of my e-friends, from whom I haven't heard in a few
weeks (they're usually good responders) , who are in groups that already
downsized, and who are still in ELF, are indeed gone.

I know I could call to find out, but I'm afraid to call attention to them
if they're lying low :-}
		       ^
		       |
		bitter smiley.

Does anyone know when they're going to update ELF with the l-- I mean,
Involuntary Severanced?

Yrs truly,
Bobbi_the_paranoid_in_Chelmsford(where they haven't "downsized" yet, but
are planning to)

    Someone told me last night that if you have a fuel injecion engine you
    should NOT use drygas to keep from getting gasline freeze from water in
    your fuel system, you should use something like STP's Gas Treatment.
    
    Can anyone tell me if this is so, and if so why?
    
    -Jody
    

Completeley MAS (I've heard if from various places) reply, but it seems to 
make sense:

	Fuel injectors use little needle-like devices to vaporize the fuel.
Drygas "surrounds" the water and carrys it through the system. The water 
globules are two "big" and tend to clog the holes in the fuel injectors.


						--D

Last night on the 6:00 news I learned that there is such a thing as a "war 
college." What exactly is a war college, does anyone know? Can you get 
degrees in war? Is there such a thing as a peace college?

D.

    RE:  .379
    
    All military officers go through what is called their
    "Profession Military Education"
    
    Captains go to Sqaudron Officer School
    
    Colonels and Generals go to   "WAR COLLEGE"
     In the Air Force, it is called "AIR WAR COLLEGE"
    
    I think there is another school too, but I can't remember the name of
    it.  I think it is for senior enlisted folks.
    
    NICK
    

    for enlisted folks, there are NCO academies.
    
    We had a sergeant who was disliked by his battery commander and the
    Capt figured he'll never pass the NCO academy so I can get him busted
    as unfit to be a non-com.  Sent the Sgt to the NCO academy and the Sgt
    made honor graduate so the 7th Army Commanding General pinned another
    stripe on him (Honor Grad gets automatic promotion).
    
    So the result was quite the opposite of what the Capt had figured.  But
    the battery had no slots for an SSGT with that MOS so the SSGT got
    transfered anyway and the Capt didn't have to deal with him anymore.
    
    ed

    
    RE:   .379
    
    I forgot to answer some of your questions!
    
    
    No, you do not get a degree in War.  But you don't get promoted if you
    don't go.  Actually, I think you are assigned to go, so you have to.
    
    I don't know if there is a peace college.  Maybe for the Peace Corps?
    
    NICK
    

    To expand a bit on what Nick said, there exist three levels of
    professional training in the science of military tactics and strategies
    available to a career military officer.  Within that branch of the US
    armed forces with which I am familiar (USAF), the first level school is 
    called Squadron Officer School, and is offered to certain officers with
    between 3 and 10 years commissioned service.  The second level school
    is Air Command and Staff College, and is offered to certain officers
    between 8 and 15(? thereabouts) years commissioned service.  The final
    level is the Air War College, and only offered to very senior level
    officers being prepared for command responsibilities, or for positions
    as intelligence analysts or planners which require understanding of the
    commander's role.
    
    The purposes of these schools is to teach military officers how to do
    their jobs, which are certainly unique in many respects, and require
    skills not needed nor taught anywhere else.  As institutions, these
    academies are sites of developmental theories for waging war, usually
    called 'doctrines'; the current 'best guess' and accepted plan of how
    to conduct any given type of operation is probably a product of lab
    exercises and research of the students and instructors at these schools.
    
    Or so I was given to understand, during my past as an active duty officer.
    
    DougO

    Paint thinner is not alcohol, it's some fractional distillation product
    of petroleum.  Might not hurt, but it won't dissolve water and I'd
    prefer not to have it in my gas tank.

    Denatured alcohol is ethyl alcohol that has been "denatured" to make it
    non potable.
    

    My fading memory is showing: what exactly is "denatured alcohol"?  200
    proof?  190 proof?  The 200 proof stuff is pretty expensive.
    
    Jim

    If anyone can think of a better place for this, please let me know.
    
    I'm considering developing a training exercise for my group on sexism
    in language. I have some info, but need relatively current examples
    (last year or so).
    
    My mailstop is ZKO3-2/Z04.
    
    I would need the source of the example.  I know about MS. magazine and
    its No Comment section, but I'd like some computer related, and local
    type stuff too.
    
    You can also send me mail if you want more details.
    
    Thanks,
    
    judy 

    
    How does one clean the terminals on one's car battery without danger of
    harm to oneself?
    
    -Jody
    

    
    
    RE:   cleaning your nodes
    
    Easy as pie!  It is also extremely fun to watch the chemical reaction:
    
    Take some baking soda (or is it baking powder?  The stuff that comes in
    the box that you put in the frig.)
    
    Mix it about with an equal amount of water
    
    Pour it directly on the terminals
    
    Watch it fizz for a minute
    
    Wipe in off with a paper towel.   (This is not dangerous to do, as long
                                       as you don't do something like touch
                                       both nodes at once or try to start
                                       the car as you're  doing it.)
    
    
    There is also a spray available at auto-parts stores.
    
    
    NICK
    

    Get some disposable rubber gloves - battery acid is nasty.
    As long as you don't accidentally bridge the gap between
    the psoitive and negative terminals there is no real risk.

    >As long as you don't accidentally bridge the gap between
    >the psoitive and negative terminals there is no real risk.
    
    DANGER! That is not true.  If you bridge the gap between the positive
    terminal and any part of the car that is grounded you can cause a
    spark.  Assuming of course that the ground (negative) cable is still
    connected.
    
    BTW, it is safest to use eye protection when working near a battery.
    
    Mary

    I should add, the reason you don't want to cause a spark is because
    the battery emits gases that can explode.  Hence the need for eye
    protection.

    Also if the battery has filler caps (pretty unlikely these days) make
    real sure not to get any baking soda in the battery.  Wear gloves
    definitely and some eye protection wouldn't hurt.

    
    Ok, can someone tell me what the yucky green stuff is?  
    I gave someone a jump start recently and it's disgusting
    looking.
    
    CQ

    re .395 Ouch, you got me, you're 100% right.

Coca-Cola works for a quick fix on batteries, too.  Pour on the non-diet kind.

      Carol

    re .398 The green stuff is a corrosion product from the
    copper in the wires. 

    
    Hmm.  Really?  I'll have to check it out when I go out to my car.  It
    looked like it had ben put there purposely for some reason, it was a
    greasy looking stuff and I _thought_ it was green.  I've seen the green
    corrosion stuff before but I'm pretty sure this was different.
    
    CQ

    My dad used to put petroleum jelly on the terminals after cleaning
    them.  Mine have greasy stuff on em, I think its supposed to retard
    the corrosion.

The 'green stuff' is copper sulfate (sulphate), and/or sulfite,depending on
how long the reaction has been going on, resulting from the reaction
of the copper in the terminal wires and the sulfuric acid in the battery.

    Uh, there is something I don't quite understand here.  What is the
    voltage of the battery?  If I remember correctly, it is only 12 volts,
    and that is no where near the danger level.  So what gives here?  Of
    course, the acid inside is a different story.
    
    Eugene

    
                   A little basic electronics....
    
                       E=IxR which is Ohms law.  With E as voltage and
    I as current and R as the resistence, we can calculate for I as it is
    the only "movement" in electronics and as such must be present to
    "hurt" anyone.  Thus the formula would be I=E/R.  Since E=12 volts,
    R is the variable. As the resistence (R) goes up the current (I) must
    go down.  Voltage is the "electromotive force" that "pushes" the
    electons....the medium that it "pushes" it thru, has resistence to
    that push....the resultant movement is the current.
    
                      A good way to understand this is thinking of a water
    cooling system.  The pump that "pushes" the water can be thought of as
    voltage.  The diameter of the water pipe can be thought of as the
    resistence.  The resultant movement of water is like the current in an
    electric circuit.
    
    
    Dave 

    re .407,
    
    The body has a natural resistivity and that is quite big.  Without
    a sufficient voltage, it simply ain't gonna "hurt".  That is why when we
    talk about the danger of electricity, we always talk about it in term
    of voltage.  The danger threshold for human is about 50 volts.  When I
    worked in the lab in college, I routinely handled things below 30 volts 
    without any protection, and most of the time, I didn't feel anything.  
    I once also experimented extensively with a voltage source of around 
    25 volts.  I tried it on my palm, on the back of my hand with varied 
    distance between the two electrodes (to hopefully vary the resistance).  
    I even managed to create little sparks on my skin when the electrodes 
    got close enough, but nothing much beyond that.  I am perfectly willing
    to put my hands on the battery if you demonstrate to me beyond any
    doubts that the voltage is indeed 12 voltage. :-)  I was got my hand
    on something about 500 volts (Like I said before in another note, I 
    wasn't safe in any lab :-)).  Fortunately, it was DC and my hand got
    "bounced" right off the source.  If it had been high frequecy AC, I
    would have been in big trouble.
    
    Eugene
    P.S. Carbon batteries are sold regularly without any problem.  Yea,
    they got only 1.5 volts, but that is just the point.  Voltage is what
    determines what is and isn't safe, mostly that is.

    RE: .408
    
                        Under "normal" circumstances  you are *very*
    correct and I have the same expierence....but under different
    circumstances...ie feet in water...as little as 6 volts have been known
    to kill someone.  Also there is the persons health to consider.  A
    "game" that had its player hold two "plates" and vary the voltage to
    see how much they could stand took a few lives before it was outlawed.
    Heart problems and the such are the things to watch out for.  You *MAY*
    discover you have a "health" problem as you are dying.
    
                       I guess the whole moral of these notes is to have a
    healthy respect for electricity and don't play with it unless you are
    trained and have a *VERY* good idea what will happen before you do it.
    It is also a very good idea to have someone standing by to assist if
    you get into trouble.
    
    
    Dave

    First of all, Copper Sulfate is blue, as are most copper compounds.
    The green stuff is more likely Lead Sulfate, or a Sulfate of tin
    or whatever else the lead battery terminals and cable terminals
    contain as an alloy or impurity in the lead.  The main functional
    reason you might want to clean battery terminals is to insure
    good contact between the battery and cable terminals as the 
    battery ages and provides less power.  Oxidation at the contact
    point adds resistance and reduces the power available to turn
    the starter.  For a thourough cleaning, I use the aforementioned
    terminal cleaning tool.  Remove the clamp by lossening the nut & bolt,
    use the wire brush on the tool to reem out both cable clamps, then
    use the other end of the tool to abrade the battery posts.  This
    should scrape off the oxide and some of the lead.  Use a small brush
    to sweep the ground-up debris off the battery.
    
    Sodium BiCarbonate or Coke will also help remove corrosion, but must
    then be flushed with water.  Cleaning by abrasion is best, and should
    be done once a year, just before cold weather.
    
    Secondly, a charged battery contains a great deal of energy as well
    as Sulfuric Acid and lead along with Lead Peroxide.  Shorting out
    the battery terminals for more than a fraction of a second will
    cause the release of the energy as heat, the acid will boil, and
    a steam explosion will result.  As the battery case bursts and a
    cloud of Hydrogen gas is released, a chemical explosion may also
    result.  However, this will be a minor problem to anyone just
    soaked by a cloud of hot Sulfuric Acid mist.  Hooking up cables
    backwards during a jump start is the most common cause of serious
    battery accidents.
    
    Finally, if your hands are sweaty and not callused, it is possible
    to feel a 'tickle' at your skin as the 12V discharges thru your
    body.  Its' never bothered me a great deal, but is probably some-
    thing you would not want to do for a period of time.
    
    One more thing.  Traces of the acid or corrosion products will
    dissolve most vegtable-based fabrics.  Not right away, but in
    the next wash.  If you carry a battery, use a rubber strap, or
    gloves.  If you must support it against your body, use a newspaper
    or something to protect your clothes.  People who do this on the
    job use rubber aprons and rubber gloves.
    
    Any questions?????......mwr
    

    It ain't the shock as much as the possibility of explosion.  I already
    mentioned that.  If you create a spark you may get an explosion.

    re: yucky green stuff......
    
    	There is a green gel that is used by electricians to protect the
    conducting properties of wire in an exposed enviroment. Some garages
    also use this stuff to protect terminals from exposure to the elements
    and provide good contact during the winter.
    
    	I use it on my ground wires for my swimming pool.......
    
    	It's basically harmless. Feels messy but cleans up easily.
    
    Ken

    Is there something different about "Goldfish" food as opposed to
    generic fish food?  Or is it a ploy?
    
    I have a large amount of the stuff left over after the demise of my
    goldfish, and now that I'm bring up my tank again with non-goldfish
    types I'd like to use the rest of it up.
    
    Do fish get poisoned by using the "wrong" type of food?  I'm not sure
    about fish diet so I'm kind at the mercy of the marketers.  And I've
    inadvertenly wiped out enough fish as to not trust my instincts about
    what's good for them.
    
    LIsa

    Lisa,
    
    I asked about this at the pet store. Goldfish are vegetarians while
    tropical fish are ominvores, they need some animal protein as well.
    
    We have a neon and a zerbra that have survived two winters in an
    unheated tank with several goldfish, eating largly goldfish food
    however. But I think they may make up the animal protein deficiency
    by eating some of the stuff that has passed once through the
    gold fish.
    
    Bonnie

    
    Lisa,
    
    Press KP7 to add VWSENG::FISH.  All of the questions you could think of
    to ask (and probably plenty that you didn't think of!) are answered
    here - the file is a wealth of info for pet fish.
    
    							/Rita
    

    I need directions for someone who gets lost easily to the
    MRO facility where the Women's History celebrations are
    going to be held tomorrow, including how to get to where
    they are once I'm in the building!
    
    Bonnie

    Here's a question for veteran NOTES users: I know that when I'm reading
    a string in NOTES, if I hit the comma in the number keypad I'll skip
    right over all the remaining responses in that string and to the next
    unseen response in a different string.  The NOTES software marks the
    responses I've skipped as "seen," so they won't come up again as I
    proceed with my reading.
    
    But what if I want to skip to other strings (to see what's there), then
    come back to read the skipped responses at a more leisurely pace?  Is
    there some magic key that will move me to the next unseen without
    marking the remaining responses in the string seen?
    
    Thanks.
    Karen 

Karen:

  Explicitly read another "safe" note, then <NEXT UNSEEN> off of that.
  For example, suppose you're reading 22.3.  Read 1.L.  You've probably
  read it already.  Then Press <NEXT UNSEEN>.  The <nill> rest of the
  1.* string will be set seen and you'll skip to the next unseen note
  in the conference.

                                   Atlant

    karen
    
    you can set a marker at that topic and then go back and read it,
    or just write down the number where you stopped reading and go
    back and finish up the string, or you can use the comma key to
    check out another topic and then the hyphen to return to the
    one you were reading ....
    
    one thing I do is to reopen the conference, that often allows
    me to read through several other shorter notes strings before
    getting back to the longer one.
    
    Bonnie

    Don't wear jewelry when working on even low voltage electricity.  A car
    battery will provide enough current to turn a ring red hot in a time
    close enough to zero as matters.  Ditto the chain around your neck, or
    a watch band.  I found a nice watch once in the engine compartment of a
    used car.  Melted spots on the band and case told the story, someone
    fooling around and getting watch between live wire and something
    grounded, EEEYOW!, slinging watch to unseen spaces...
    
    J

    kids, too.  Don't let kids wear jewelry.  They are so heedless when
    they play.
    
    I still have the ring I wore as a kid; it was given me by my g'ma.  I
    was jumping down from the top of a 6' chainlink fence I'd climbed.  The
    ring got hung up on the little prong at the fencetop, but I was already
    airborne.  Lucky for me the ring was big enough that it merely scraped
    me bloody, but it came off.  My (other) grandmother as a kid was not so
    lucky, she lost 2 joints of her ring finger.
    
    We won't get into kids, long hair, and pierced earrings.

    re .422, .423, besides, the jewelry could be damaged, and that's what I
    would consider to be true heartbreak!!
    
    Lorna
    

    Lorna, you are so right!  I took my bike home, mom doctored up the
    finger, then I took my bike back and got the ring!  I wore it
    continuously until finally I couldn't get it off.  Had to pay a jeweler
    $1 to cut the darned thing off my finger.

    .425 reminded me of this time when I was with my Mom and Aunt in a
    jewelry store (my Mom was getting a ring reset).  This older man and
    his wife came in and raised holy hell about how one of the tiny
    diamonds (in the point range it looked like) had fallen out of the ring 
    when they had cut it off her finger.  Apparently it was her engagement 
    ring that she had worn for 40 years, and her finger had swollen up 
    around it in her later years so that the ring had to be cut off.  
    Apparently the finger was VERY swollen so that it was difficult to 
    even get the cutters to it.
    
    Guy: She's had that ring 40 years and nothing's ever happened to it!
    
    Jeweler:  She's had the ring 40 years! Isn't it about time you got her
    a new one!
    
    Guy grabs wife and storms out of store.  We laugh.  Maybe they didn't
    have the money for a new ring, but it seems that after 40 years of wear 
    AND having the ring cut off that one of the diamonds might have fell
    out.  It was just unbelievable the stink this guy put up about the
    diamond chip.  His wife just sat there.
    
    Lisa

    Derek Whorlow asked me recently by mail if I could tell him
    'who killed Laura Palmer?' He is from Australia and it seems that
    one of his sons has a bet...
    
    anyway, I've never even watched the show Twin Peaks, but told him
    I'd swallow my pride ;-} and ask the question for him here.
    
    Bonnie

    Well, I'm not going to reveal it here for all the world to be
    spoiled by, so I'll mail the answer to Bonnie to pass on to
    Derek.
    
    --- jerry

    see also:  BIRDS::TWIN_PEAKS
    
    

    I don't care. I'll tell. Nobody will believe it anyway. It was.....
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    David Lynch.
    
    
    or else it was ........
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Bob the Owl posessing Laura's father.
    
    
    Phil

    REQUEST FOR INFO
    
    Well, right after I said I would be read-only, I've got
    a question.
    
    
    I'm writing a story where I want the main character (a divorced woman with 
    a baby whose ex-husband has taken off) to be financially responsible
    for his debts from the marriage. Is this plausible? And, can it 
    only happen in community property states?
    
    Thanks,
    
    	june

    re .432,
    
    As far as I know, it is a very plausible scenario.  As a matter of
    fact, if your business partner takes all money out of the bank and goes
    to South America, you are stuck with the debt. Of course, you can
    report to FBI and try to get the guy back, but meanwhile, you are
    responsible for the debt.  Of course, if bad comes to worse, one can
    always declare bankruptcy (with chapter 11-14 depending on your need).
    
    Eugene

  The only implausible part is the baby whose ex-husband has taken
  off...

  JP

    If during the marriage most of the debts were contracted in her
    name (E.G. on her charge accounts, a joint account that he overdrew
    just before departing -- assuming it had overdraft protection, if
    he had her PIN for her American Express cash program, if he used
    her gas card for gas and money to flee with, etc.)  
    
    A joint account is much like a legal partnership.  The one
    who is left behind holds the bag.
    
    She could even be a well-paid professional woman and still be saddled
    with staggering debt by an ex.  
    
    The difficult part is that a smart woman, as soon as she realizes
    that the marriage is on the rocks or the husband is flakey, closes
    all joint accounts to cut/limit her losses.  Then, depending on
    how long it takes to divorce, she could well be solvent by the time
    the decree is final, if she winds up with enough free and clear
    property.
    
    The husband might disappear with mucho bucks from the joint accounts
    and get a quickie foreign divorce so she only disocvers she is holding
    the bag when it is too late.                     
    
    June, more details if you write me.
    
    Are you doing a book?  I hope so.
    
      Margaret

Does the Grill 62 restaurant in Maynard still exist? I can't find it
in the phone book.

If not, is there another restaurant in that location?

Kathy

    1) No
    2) In the works, not yet open (as of last Wednesday)
    
    Don't know the name of the new restaurant

Thanks, Herb.

Kathy

    As of last week, Ciro's was to replace Grille 62 [like in Chelmsford
    and Merrimack[almost Nashua].
    
    As of this morning the sign had gone missing.
    
    This better not mean that Ciro's won't open ... there are seventeen
    people who've threatened to do me harm if it doesn't ... as if _I_ have
    any control over the events
    
      Annie

Well, Annie, if it does open, I hope it's outstanding, 'cause Maynard's
got a bunch of pizza joints already!

Kathy

Ciro's makes pizzas, but is by no stretch a "pizza joint". If a Ciros opens in
Maynard, and Maynardians have any taste at all, most of the other "joints" will
shut down.

(What? You've never tried a walnut and pineapple pizza?)

    
    Any idea where the small animals notes conference has gone? I have not
    been able to access it for several weeks.
    
    I have it defined (as in the conference listing) as IOALOT::SMALL_ANIMALS
    and keep getting "file not found" when I try to open it. My local node
    is able to connect to IOALOT. 
    
                         thanks 
    
                                 seals
    

    The small animals conference died when the man who was system
    manager for IOALOT took the  buy out. The entire conference was
    erased. Kristy Gleason has been in class and I've been so busy
    with womannotes that we've not restarted small_animals. Anyone
    with the disc space available for us to restart?
    
    Bonnie

    Can anyone point me to DECwindows notes documentation?
    
    Eileen
    

    Eileen,
    
    It is in the Bookreader.  Open the shelf (and book) for VAX Notes, then
    read chapter 7.
    
    Hope that helps
    
    E Grace

Does anyone know of a restaurant in the Chelmsford/Burlington area
(preferably near Route 3) with a decent selection of vegetarian
entrees?  Italian restaurants are probably out, as is anyplace else
where the cuisine is heavily reliant on tomatoes and/or cheese.

	Sharon

    DECwrite.....WHY!!!!
    
    what I want to be able to do is to write macros that are really little
    programs, ie have "if then else"  or "do this till you don't find
    'string' anymore".
    
    I think you can't do this...
    
    if you know different, or can confirm this, please send mail...
    
    thanks -- Sara

    Help! 
    
    I lost the envelope I was supposed to use to send my tax return in. 
    Can i just send it normal mail or do I need the special envelope?  What
    address to I sent it to?  (i am making a payment)  Who do I make the
    check out to?
    
    D! who has never had to *pay* the government at tax time before

    No, D! you can use any envelope.  Just send it to IRS, Andover MA.
    
    E_Grace_who_is_also_a_tax_preparer

    *blush*
    
    
    No, ~robin, I'm just your ordinary, run-of-the-mill adult child of
    alcoholics.  Actually, until this past year, I was an accountant, so
    .... no! You are right!  I *am* multi-talented, and it is about time I
    started valuing that!
    
    
    E Grace

to put your SS# and Form # filed ON the check - pay to IRS.

Barb_who_has_strange_hobbies_taxes_being_one_of_them

    An accountant once told me that tis better for you to use your own
    envelope rather than the IRS's pre-labeled, because you are less likely
    to get audited this way.  So I have always used my own envelope.  May
    be an example of "urban mythology" but what the heck.

    And always send your returns in registered return receipt requested.
    This has saved me from having to pay a penalty several times, and was
    of particular relief the year the Acton post office put a bunch of
    returns into a mail bag which then sat in a corner until June.
    
    
    Liz

    re .453 (IRS auditing & which envelope)

    That definitely sounds strange, because everything I've heard
    about what triggers an audit requires that they've already looked
    at the return (which means the envelope is history).

    I entered note 285.150  and got a message
    
      "The window is not mapped to a buffer"
    
    That session is currently hung up at the Notes> prompt.
    
    What happened?  Should I just disconnect?
    
    J

    I believe the approved response is a gleeful "QAR it!", meaning
    that you should record the error, anything else about your session
    that you can copy into a file, and then do a quick
    
    DIR/TITLE="not mapped"
    
    in the DECWINDOWS conference.  If you find an answer, don't QAR it.
    If you don't, either ask there, or *do* post a QAR, depending on
    your confidence level.
    
    					Ann B.
    
    P.S.  Yes, just disconnect.  The note was entered just fine.

    Thanks...
    
    

    
    	For lack of a better place....
    
    	Does anyone know of a good and relatively inexpensive seamstress
    	between Nashua and Raymond NH?  I have a dress that I need taken
    	in and I'd rather go on a recommendation than picking someone
    	out of the phonebook.
    
    	Thanks!
    
    	JJ
    

    
    
           >>I have a dress that I need taken in...
    
    
    Way to go, JJ!   (*8
    
    
    E Grace
    
    
    That is, of course...

    
    	E Grace (I'm probably gonna get hollered at for this but.. =) ),
    
    	I've never had a problem with weight.  I just fell in love
    	with this dress, it was on clearance but was one size larger
    	than I wear.  But I bought it anyway, I had to have it! =)
    
    	Thanks anyway though!  =)
    
    	BTW - I've had a few suggestions sent to me so I think I'm all
    	set.  Thanks to those who sent mail!
    
    	JJ
    

Where in the nashua area can I get a watch battery replaced on a water-resistant
watch?

All the jewelry stores in the mall said that it required a special tool to
do, which they didn't have, so they would have to send the watch out to 
somewhere else and it would take a couple weeks. i can't wait that long.
(It is the water-resistant part that makes it difficult, as I understand it.)

D!

    !D
    
    Why don't you try calling Cardin's on Main Street in Nashua?
    I've had lots of good luck with them. They've repaired antique
    stuff for me, and they're quite reasonable.
    
    	june

    What is the name of the restaurant at Val d'Isere off rt.101 near
    Exeter, NH?  What sort of food do they have?
    
      Annie

    Does anyone know a place to get reasonably priced lycra workout
    pants Northwest of Boston (Burlington area)?
    	Linda

    I bought mine from Marshall's. A lot cheaper than waht I've seen in
    malls
    
    manisha

    I don't know about "reasonably priced" - I think there's a Capezio
    outlet somewhere near Burlington/Woburn.  There's a Caldor in the
    Burlington Village mall.  The Burlington mall went kinda upscale when
    it got it's second floor, so I'd avoid there.  There's a Bradlees
    somewhere around there.  The Bradlees/Caldor kind of store don't often
    have the TOP notch stuff, but it's pretty good.  Parklane Hosiery near
    the international eating pavilion type place in the Burlington Mall may
    have some stuff on sale....
    
    -Jody
    

  
  On the DECwindows OOTB calendar application, how do you make an 
  entry for, say, every Tuesday of the coming calendar year?  
  Or an entry for every other Tuesday?  There must be a way to do 
  this but I couldn't find it in 15 minutes of poking around in 
  menus and HELP.

  JP

Make the entry in the first Tuesday of the period you want. Then double-click
on the selection bar to the left of the entry to pull up an options box. 
One of the fields in the options box is "Repeat", with default "none". Click
and drag there and you'll see all kinds of repeat options.

  Thanks!  Works great and I now see that I could have gotten here by way
  of the Entry menu.

  JP

>    Does anyone know a place to get reasonably priced lycra workout
>    pants Northwest of Boston (Burlington area)?

There is a dance-wear store in the Burlington mall that sells them for about
$20-25.  TJ Maxx (there is one on Rt 4/225 in Bedford) sells some that aren't
quite as nice but are serviceable for about $12-14.  Any sportswear store
will sell them, too.  You would probably even have reasonable luck at
Bradlees or similar stores.  (There is a Bradlees across from the Burlington
mall.)

D!
 

    
    
    I buy a lot of mine from Marshalls.  Beware, though....while they have
    a lot of good quality stuff, I got some pretty crappy quality stuff the
    last time I was there.
    
    A good brand name is Moret.......I work out quite a bit, and I go thru 
    Lycra leggings like they are going out of style, so I don't want to be
    paying $20+ for a pair (even the good ones wear out quickly). 
    Marshalls, TJ Maxx and such places usually have them for around
    $12-$15 (My favourite unitard is from Caldor.....)
    
    
    kath

can I ask a silly question?  is lycra better than cotton sweats or tees for some
reason?  I know it's shimmery etc but does it confer some benefit besides how it
looks?

    
    Not in my opinion.
    It's synthetic, doesn't breathe with your skin, gets slimy when
    you sweat....
    
    Give me cotton any time.
    'gail
    

    there's a lycra/cotton combination which breathes better than
    lycra/nylon, but not as well as regular cotton.  Lycra, however, does
    have COMPRESSION in its favor, and hides a multitude of
    sins...er...pounds.  You get my drift.
    
    Lycra is sleek and some think it sexy.  I usually do aerobics in cotton
    T-shirt and shorts, but do dance practice and weightlifting in lycra.
    
    -Jody
    

I (sometimes) climb in Lycra because it looks HOT.


	-- Charles

    
    
    Actually, the name Lycra usually refers to the cotton/matte-looking
    variety.
    
    The name Spandex usually refers to the shimmery kind.
    
    
    I wear cotton Lycra all the time.  Wicked comfortable.  Spandex is hot,
    doesn't allow my skin to breathe, and I usually get yeasty infections
    if I wear it too many days in a row to the club......
    
    
    
    kath

    RE: Lycra/SPandex
    
    I believe one is a generic term and one is a trade name. 
    
    (I think "spandex" is the generic, but not sure)
    
    --DE
    

    .465
    
    I just sent my memory out to have it repaired, but I think the name
    of the restaurant is something about swans...  The Black Swan?
    Maybe this will tickle someone else's synapses.
    
    We stopped for lunch -- the menu had lots of soups, salads,
    sandwiches (I had a very good crabmeat croissant with melted
    cheese, and 3 large glasses of iced tea -- we were coming back
    from Maine last July).  The menu tended towards lighter, casual
    fare (especially given the season) and the place was decorated
    with lots of light wood, tile, and some plants.  
    
    At the back of Val d'Isere, there's an ice cream/candy shop.
    That's where we had desert...  
    
    Now, if someone can remember the real name...
    
    Ron

    RE: Lycra/Spandex
    
    Lycra is Dupont's trademark for its spandex product.  I think that
    Dupont may be the patent holder on spandex too.
    
    Most garments that contain spandex only contain about 10%, the
    remaining tends to be nylon, polypropolene, polyester, cotton, wool,
    etc...
    
    The elastic material provides great support for the muscles.  Plus, if
    they are well developed it makes it easy to flaunt them.
    
    Rich (a cyclist)

    I need help finding 3 Cheers Restaurant.  It is located next to the
    Boston Tea Party Ship, at 290 Congress Street in Boston.  obviously.
    
    I have an eeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkkkkk (ahem) audition there Wednesday
    night for The Mystery Cafe, and I *definately* do not want to get lost!
    
    
    
    E Grace

    
    Do you know how to get to the Computer Museum/Children's Museum?
    
    It's right next door.
    

    Thank you all for the directions and the good wishes!
    
    E Grace

    How can I make my mouse select things under UIS?  I've seen other mice
    do it, on the same cluster! 
    
    Thanks,
    
    
    Rachael

	Click MB2 to start the selection, then click it again to end it.

	MB3 will then do the paste to the current location of the cursor.


	(Logicals in SYS$MANAGER:UIS$VT240_SETUP.COM determine the behavior
	of UIS.  The relevant logicals in this case are UIS$VT_ENABLE_COPY 
	and UIS$VT_ENABLE_PASTE, which need to be defined as TRUE to allow
	cut/paste)



	-Andy

    I am looking for the lyrics to a song called "Satin Doll".  It's not
    really "the right thing" to post full lyrics in a notesfile, but if
    someone could mail them to me if they know them, or know where to find
    them, I'd be grateful.  The song is on an album called "Steppin' Out"
    by a group called "Puttin' on the Ritz" (now just shortened to "The
    Ritz") and they sing much in the style of Manhattan Transfer.  I've
    been trying to figure out the lyrics for 5 years and figured it might
    just be easier to ask!
    
    thankqueue!
    
    -Jody

If that's *the* Satin Doll then any big band style lyric book should have it.
Is it the one with "speaks Latin, my Satin doll" as a lyric? liesl

    When is Secretary's Day?

    Wednesday, 24 April
    
    
      -HA

    phew I did not miss it, Thanks!

    Thanks for beating me to it Heather. Now I can say that everyday is or
    should be secretary's day. They really run this company and never get
    enough credit. 
    
    PJ
    
    ps. I looked up at the screen and saw a typo that said secretart's day.
    Good thing I caught it or I might be dead by now. Really, it was a
    typo. I love our secretaries.

    Yes PJ, I agree 100% - There is just nothing to compare to a great
    Secretary!!!!  They don't get nearly enough credit for all that they
    do to make our lives easier!
    
       -HA

	Does anyone know if the Sony VR297 monitor uses the 100dpi or the 
	75dpi DECwindows fonts?



	Thanks,

	-Andy

	Does anyone know if the Sony VR297 monitor uses the 100dpi or the 
	75dpi DECwindows fonts?

You can work it out. First ask the server how big the screen is in pixels. Then
use a ruler to measure the (visible area of the) screen. Do the division, dpi
is "dots per inch" so if the screen is 1024 pixels wide, it should be 10" wide
for 100 dpi or 13" wide for 75 dpi. This is just to get a rough estimate. For
the "truth" you need to look at the specs for the "pitch" of the screen which
tells you the dot size (in fractional inches) to get dpi, take 1 over the pitch.

	-- Charles

    
    The Sony VR297 is a 100 dpi monitor, 1024 by 864, 16 inch
    (diagonal) monitor.
    
    Theoretically, you can run both 75 dpi and 100dpi fonts on it.
    What gets loaded depends on what gets defined in the decwindows
    startup com files.
    
    
    Eva

    
    
    Wanted:
    
    Info on Mary Kay Cosmetics
    
    
    I would like to take a look at getting involved with this org in the
    Boston area.  Any contact info would be greatly appreciated.
    
    Thanks
    Michele

    Please remember that negative comments do not belong in the file.
    
    Bonnie J
    =wn= comod

    Like an idiot, I said I'd post an article in here, in response
    to a particular topic, and now I can't remember what the topic
    was. I can't even remember the author's name. The article
    is from the Utne Reader on "A Peaceful Woman Explains Why She
    Carries A Gun". 
    
    Any clues out there as how to find my reply?
    
    	june

    You made you offer in note 56.46.
    
    					andrew

    re -1: Ooh! look!! A demi-millennial note!!!
    
    					andrew

    Who publishes the Utne Reader, and how much does a subscription cost?
    From the extracts I've seen here, it sounds most interesting -- more
    interesting than their junk-mail ads made it sound.

    - .1
    
    The Utne Reader is published bimonthly by LENS Publishing Co., Inc.,
    1624 Harmon Place, Suite 330, Minneapolis, MN 55403, tel (612)
    338-5040. Yearly subscription - $18.00 in U.S.
    
    D.

    My wife recently received a subscription to this magazine, and it's
    very entertaining, it reminds me of The Whole Earth Catalog.
    We both love it, much better then Time,Newsweek,etc.....f

    
    'Utne' rhymes with 'chutney' and means 'far out' in Norwegian.
    
    D.

Does anyone have or know where to get the U.S. population by age.
specifically how many under 10-12 and how many over 60? sources
would be a help.
Thanks in advance.
Amos     MPGS::HAMBURGER

From a 1991 world almanac:

	Population Distribution by Age, Race, Nativity, and Sex

Percent Distribution (in 1980)
< 5	7.2
5-19	24.8
20-44	37.1
45-64	19.6
> 64	11.3

There is also a table of world population, and the following about U.S.
residents (I've summarized):

	Resident Population by Age, Sex, Race, and Hispanic Origin, 1989
	(in thousands)

	Male	Female
<5	9598	9155
5-9	9321	8891
10-14	8689	8260
15-19	9091	8721
20-24	9368	9334
25-29	10865	10834
30-34	11078	11058
35-39	9731	9890
40-44	8294	8588
45-49	6601	6920
50-54	5509	5866
55-59	5121	5605
60-64	5079	5788
65-69	4631	5538
70-74	3464	4549
75-79	2385	3648
80-84	1306	2422
85 >	849	2192

This table is from the U.S. Census.

For more details, I suspect that you should look in "The Statistical Abstract
of the United States." I don't know when information from the 1990 census will
be available.

	-- Charles

                     <<< Note 30.505 by GEMVAX::KOTTLER >>>
                              -< it also says... >-

    
    'Utne' rhymes with 'chutney' and means 'far out' in Norwegian.
    
    
    Oh?  ...this is new to me!
    
    PerS,
    

    I have copied some post script files from a public area to my own
    account.  Now I'm attempting to print them off on a ps printer that is
    attached to our cluster.  I used the following command, but the printed
    material, or rather the ps tags, have not been converted so the
    document is useless.  What am I doing wrong?
    
    Command used: print/queue=xxxxx file.ps
    
    Send help to ICEFLO::LERVIN.
    
    Thanks!
    

    Does anyone know where to find the Site Code Listing on VTX?

RE -2:

You need a parameters qualifier
print command should look like this

print/que=yourque/PARA=DATA=POST filename.ps

Bob

    re .511 (site codes)
    I say "VTX MTS" then pick the menu item for "Valid MTS Site Codes".
    Actually, that only covers sites that have MTS service, not all sites,
    but it's always worked for me.

    Re: .514-
    Hello-
    the %! Is not needed on lps40's or lps-20's.
    
    % - in post script is a comment-  
    Extract the following that is in between the ------------ and see.... 
    it prints a diamond, without any %!. 
------------------------------------------------
72 612 moveto

288 0 rlineto  % Side one
0 18 rlineto   % Side two
-288 0 rlineto % Side three
closepath      % Side four

fill

486 396 moveto
-180 180 rlineto
-180 -180 rlineto
180 -180 rlineto
closepath

stroke
showpage

---------------------

    Also- the PostScript Programmer's Reference Guide
    and  Learning PostScript, a Visual Approach
    
    are good sources on the PostScript language.
    
    Cindi

>    the %! Is not needed on lps40's or lps-20's.

>    % - in post script is a comment-  


	True, but some PostScript client software (on ULTRIX, for example)
	uses the %! to determine whether the file is a PostScript file.

	So, if you printed your PostScript example file (without a leading %!)
	on an ULTRIX machine, the raw PostScript commands would be printed, 
	not the interpreted diamond.



	-Andy

    Actually there is a notefiles for PostScript for those that really
    want to get into it.  The suggestion of using the explicit datatype
    qualifier is the best way to go.  
    
    There are a large selection of printing client qualifiers that
    are handy like N-up printing (more than 1 logical page per sheet)
    which is a dandy paper saver.
    
    Allison,
    
    PS: I might as well admit it, I work for CSSE as LPS40 product
    	support engineer.

    Thanks for all the help, both in the file and off-line.  I am now
    on the right track!
    
    Laura
    

    Anyone have any absolutely wonderful silver polish to
    recommend? I bought a small silver coffeepot/chocolate pot
    at an auction, and I can't get the tarnish off with 
    my regular polish.
    
    Thanks,
    
    	june

Re .519:

A good way to remove a heaavy layer of tarnish, and save some sore fingers.

Get an aluminum pan big enough to hold the pot, or at least a good portion of 
it. Fill with water, bring to a simmer, add a couple tablespoons of baking
soda and a tsp of salt. Immerse the pot, or as much as you can in the hot 
solution. Voila, tarnish gone.

WARNING: The aluminum pan will get pretty black, but easier to scrub than
polishing the silver. Or use an old pan.

    Re.  .519
    
    Either toothpaste or lipstick  - both work great to remove tarnish 
    on silver.
    
    C.
    
    

    re -1: 
    
    Be careful -- most toothpaste is mildly abrasive, enough that it
    might scratch the surface of the silver.

    G'Day D!,
    
    	Take a look at ANCHOR::NET$LIBRARY:EASYNOTES.LIS   	I don't
    have a copy at the moment so I can't look up the travel files for you.
    
    	A holiday is in the wind eh???
    
    David.
    

    D! The master conference is on TURRIS::
    
    and for those of you who are notes neophytes, to get a copy of
    the list, go to the dcl ($) level and type "Type
    anchor::net$library:easynotes.lis" (be sure you have your printer
    on. ;-) ).
    
    BJ

    PLEASE copy it after hours, though.....otherwise it bogs down their
    networking.
    
    -Jody
    

    Does anyone have a modem in their office and the software to hitch up
    to another personal computer?  I need a huge favor.

...
>    the list, go to the dcl ($) level and type "Type
>    anchor::net$library:easynotes.lis" (be sure you have your printer

Nit ... you don't really need your printer on to use TYPE.

PRINT, yes...

You can also copy EASYNOTES.LIS to your own system if you reference it 
frequently. I find it handy to have a DCL symbol defined in my LOGIN.COM -

	$ FINDNOTE :==  SEARCH mydisk:[mydir]EASYNOTES.LIS

so I can easily find notes on topics ... e.g. type

	$ FINDNOTE DECNET

    um, Paul,
    
    if you want a *copy* if it you do :-)
    
    and if you use Print around here, it goes in the printe queue and
    ends up down at the main print out center.
    
    Bonnie

(Following a nit down a rathole, sorry ...)

Do I infer you're referring to a terminal with a printer attached to a printer
port? TYPE normally displays the file on your terminal screen, and nowhere
else, unless you've got a local printer locally connected. In my neck of the 
woods, that's not the norm. I assumed that in most sites, if you want hard copy,
you use PRINT, go down to the lab or other main "print out center" and collect
it. (Usually with a white stripe down the middle where there's something on the
drum not transferring toner...)

(In my case, if I *really* want to be sure I get a copy of something, I go home,
download it with ZMODEM, and print it out on my LaserJet.)

    re:  a few back
    
    Easynotes.lis is also on VTX.
    
    Just typle, VTX EASYNOTES and follow the instructions from there.
    
    Sheri
    

    Paul,
    
    yes, most of the office set ups I'm used to have printers attached.
    
    Bonnie

    I remember someone in this file offering (or knowing about) a New
    Hampshire firearms protection course for women.  This file's huge -
    where can I find out about this course, again?
    
    Thanks
    Laura

    Laura,
    
    The course is described in 82.94.
    
    The nerdly question is:  How did you find out, Ann?
    
    First, I did a directory (of basenotes only), looking for the word
    "firearm", thusly:
    
    Notes>  DIR/TITLE=FIREARM
    
    I didn't use the plural "firearms" because then I might have missed
    a reference.  (Using partial words in DIRs and SEARCHs is a good
    way to compensate for the bad spelling of others.)  If I had not
    found what I was looking for, I would have done a complete directory
    of replies and basenotes, and it would have taken nearly forever:
    
    Notes>  DIR/TITLE=FIREARM *.*
    
    Fortunately, I found Notes 82 and 83, and the title of 82 looked
    best.  I then did a directory of the last twenty-mumble replies:
    
    Notes>  DIR 82.80-82.104
    
    and found the correct note immediately.  (Then I read forward to
    make sure that no later reply corrected the information it gave.)
    This, dear writer, demonstrates why you too should give meaningful
    titles to your most profound work:  Your gems should not be mislaid
    either.  :-)
    
    						Ann B.

    Wow, Ann, I may recruit you if I ever need help with pointers!
    
    You described the process really well!
    
    -Jody

    Does anyone know where the new, refurbished, 70mm release of Citizen
    Kane is playing anywhere in the Greater Boston Area now?
    
    adv(10Q)ance
    
    -Jody
    

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brattle   [40 Brattle St, Harvard Sq, Cambridge] 		  617/876-6837
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Citizen Kane                       3:15 5:30 7:50 10:00
                                  Sat,Sun mats 1:00
The Magnificant Ambersons         Fri 5/10 5:00 8:15
Journey into Fear                 Fri 5/10 3:30 6:45 10:00
L'age d'or                        Fri 5/10 midnight

    
    no, but it's showing at the neptune in seattle ;^)
    

FWIW in Womannotes at least I've found searching topic 18 by content is
faster than a title search of the entire conference...

	-- Charles (3000 miles away from IKE22)

    Does anyone happen to know the name of the Subsidiary Manager
    of Portugal? This is URGENT and I need as well his phone number.
    Any info will be very appreciated.
    Thanks.
    Regina
    From the Brazilian Subsidiary

    
    The Directory says the DTN number is 799-3111 for the operator in
    Lisbon, Portugal Subsidiary office.  You could call them and ask.
    
    code for country and city for the SITE (I don't know the manager's
    name) is [351]-(1)-658051  - I bet if you called them they could
    connect you to the manager.
    
    address is
    
    Empreendimento Torres/Amoreiras
    Av. Eng. Duarte Pacheco, Torre 1-9 Andar
    1000 Lisbon		Portugal
    
    good luck!
    
    -Jody
    

    
    
    does anyone know of a sure-fire home remedy for toe-corns?
    
    if so, please send me mail.
    
    thanks,
    ~robin

    great aches from little toe-corns grow!
    (var on "great oaks from little acorns grow...")
    
    doesn't the foot section of a drug store have little corn-pads that
    help dissolve them with some sort of salicylic acid contact solution?
    
    -Jody
    

    Yeah, but they come  back, :-(
    
    ~robin, try mole skin and new shoes
    
    if that doesn't work see a podiatrist, you may be getting a bone
    spur.
    
    Bon

    Is there a quick way to move a file from one's default directory 
    to a sub-directory without having to do $copy xxx. [me.sub] xxx.
    and then $del xxx. ?

    Rename it [me.sub]xxx.
    
    That'll work, won't it?  At least I think I've done it that way.
    
    /Wendy

Replace
>$copy xxx. [me.sub] xxx
> $del xxx

with $rename []xxx.  [me.sub]xxx.

([] means "this directory right here!")

Yes, Robin, STOP TRYING TO GROW CORN IN YOUR SHOES!


Sorry ;-)

    RENAME will work as long as the source and destination are on the same
    disk.
    
    					andrew

    Just move to UNIX and you won't have to worry about disk boundaries.
    
    
    
    You'll have accidentally deleted the files you wanted to move by now.

>   Just move to UNIX and you won't have to worry about disk boundaries.

Bzzzt. Wrong.

gilroy 41*>mv /u35/haynes/Mail /u32/haynes

mv: can't mv directories across file systems
gilroy 42*>

>   You'll have accidentally deleted the files you wanted to move by now.

:-) It's true.

	-- Charles

    so *that's* what rm -r / does...

    
    I am looking for the words to the Poem, "Walk with Grandma".  I think
    it's a spinoff from the newspaper article a while ago on the same
    topic.  It says something like... they never say hurry up, they walk
    slow, etc.
    
    Can anyone help me?  I would like to do this as a gift but can't find
    the words.
    
    I've posted it in a couple other files but haven't gotten any
    responses.  I'd appreciate any help.
    
    Regards,
    
    
    Cel

    Does anyone have a little program to create address labels.  Or is
    there a way to do it on WPS Plus.
    
    I bought the labels for a project at home and hate just trying to line
    things up.  I want to create address labels.
    
    Thanks.
    
    J

    Is there a quick way to extract the directory listing for a
    notesfile - without, of course, tying up the conference ?
    

    many notesfiles in the first few topics have a place where they put
    directories.  Like in this file you'd find the directory topic (topic
    18) and you'd only have to extract those notes, rather than "reading'
    topic 1 in a notesfile and doing a "dir/output=notesfiledir.txt"
    
    other than that, not that I can think of!
    
    -Jody
    

    Thanks, Jody. Some conferences don't bother with the directory
    note like WN. (yet another reason to love it ;-) )
    
    Dana

	If the protection on the notesfile in question allows it,
	you can do a convert/share <node>::notes$library:<file> <whatever>
	Then, open up your new local copy and do a directory.



	-Andy

    if the protection allows that, someone has done something very
    wrong... that would allow the copier full read access to the
    conference, including all the hidden notes.  and if the conf
    is member-only, well, need I say more?
    
    lt

    
    
    Is there a command that will give you the location of a node
    
    ie  MYNODE::  is located at FXO
    
    Nick
    

>> Is there a command that will give you the location of a node
>>
>> ie  MYNODE::  is located at FXO
        
        Yes.  There is FINDNODE, a .COM file that searches a large
        data file that gets updated periodically [twice a month?].
        I used to keep a local copy on my workstation but I just
        put ULTRIX V4.2 on it. (Yaaayyy!)  FINDNODE is maintained
        on node VIA but I don't remember the directory.  Anyone
        who has the update .COM file can tell you where.
        
        Dan

    VTX NODE_LOCATION		--D

    VTX NOTE_LOCATION is also a lot more typing than FINDNODE, and FINDNODE
    is updated weekly from MININODE.LST.  Why would anybody want another?
    
    :-)
    
    -d

	... because I have VTX installed for me on my cluster, and I don't
need another product installed on my lowly VS3100...

	If you're worried about VTX NODE_LOCATION being out of date, you
*can* query the Easynet Node Registration database directly.  It's also on
VTX.  Only area registrars can add/modify data, but the enquiry screen is
open to everyone.  I don't remember the precise sequence at the moment, but
I shall attempt a lookup shortly and report back....

	... oh yeah, and if you're too lazy to type VTX NODE_LOCATION, you
can define a symbol for it in LOGIN.COM [VMS] or consult the nearest guy in
shorts and a pith helmet [U*x] (does VTX even work from U*x?)...

				--Doug 

	VTX EASYNET
	Choose 3
	Choose 2
	Choose 6

	This will give you all sorts of fun info.  I don't know of a VTX
keyword to get you right to the display page.

					--D

>	... because I have VTX installed for me on my cluster, and I don't
>need another product installed on my lowly VS3100...

	*Lowly* VS3100?  I can only *dream* of 3100's... :*]


	Re: Notesfiles & protection

	Yeah, I know.  But I've seen them set up that way before,
	so I thought it'd be worth a shot.



	-Andy

    re .566,.569
    On the other hand, I don't think there's any central on-line database
    for FINDNODE.  Therefore, if you install it you get to run a batch job
    every so often to build the 15,000-block database containing all the
    nodenames and locations.
    
    Ah, well.  To each his (or her) own...
    
    workstation?

	I used to have a 24 meg VS3540 with 3 RZ55's -- a 12 meg VS3100, 1
RZ24, 1 RZ23 is a big drop... (even with my own personal InfoServer 100)

						--D

Re: .573:

While I really doubt that the good folks who support FINDNODE want us to do 
this, it does work:

Edit FINDNODE.COM and change the line:

$ define/nolog findnode$data 'here'

to:

$ define/nolog findnode$data via""::findnode$kit:

Then whenever you run it, it will access the master database in the distribution
directory.

This will only be practical if you "live" close to ZKO.

John

    Where can I get Digital stock prices on-line?
    
    D!

	VTX.

	Since your node indicates you are in ZK, where I am, you probably
	have the same setup on your cluster as is set up on mine:

	$VTX

	Then select:

		3    Worldwide, U.S., and GMA (Greater Maynard Area) News

	Then 
		1   Worldwide News

	Then
		96   Digital stock quotes

	This will give the previous day's opening and closing price,
	and the current day's opening price. The display also shows 
	the relevant Employee Stock Purchase Program prices. The next
	page gives the high, low, and closing prices, as well as volume,
	for the previous 12 working days.

					Tom_K

    For information about a _very_fast_ program to get the online quote,
    see notes 771.0,.98,.101,.103 in the INVESTING conference (on SUBWAY::).

Hi D!,

The answer to your question depends a little on the timeliness of
the information you want. If yesterdays quote is all you need, VTX
or one of the quote programs is good enough. If a price good within
a few hours is what you want, the quote programs, or the touch tone
stock system will do. If you want a quote good to within 15 minutes,
you need a better source of quotes. Most brokers provide 15 minute
delayed quotes as a free service to their clients. If you want real
time quotes - the price as of the last trade, you need a broker that
can give those to you, or a subscription to a quote service.

Why do you care?

Knowing you somewhat, and from the tone of the question, I would
guess that you are looking for a quote good to within days or hours,
and the quote program, VTX, or investor services
touch tone system is what you want. But most "casual" traders shouldn't
be trying to trade on very short term swings anyway. If what you're
doing is trying to decide when to sell your ESPP stock, well... my
advice is don't try to time it on a time frame of days or hours. Its
not worth the trouble.

	-- Charles

    D, if you have youur 4-digit personal code, (like a bank machine code),
    you can dial DTN 223-1880 and get hourly updates on the stock value,
    sell stock, and any of a number of transactions and informational stuff
    about the ESPP. I use it to sell DEC stock and to follow the ups and
    downs of DEC stock on particularly volatile days. Just dial the number
    and follow the instructions, touch-tone phones only. (Yes, we still
    have dial phones at my house and I'm not sure of the number to call
    outside of DEC.
    
    PJ

Thanks Charles.  Actually accurate within a couple of days is fine.  I
can't sell because I don't actually have any stock yet, just started
putting money into it and was wondering what the prices were at.  I don't
really play the investment game, I doubt up-to-the-minute prices would do
anything for me.

Thanks,
D!

    You can also just type VTX AYOSTOCK at the dollar prompt and get
    information about recent history, ESP purchase prices, etc. 
    
    At the bottom of the screen is a couple of lines of information
    regarding the most recent stock prices.  It is updated (usually) more
    than once a day.
    
    This works in Marlborough anyway.
    
    E Grace

    If you read the Vogon News Service (subscription requests I think to
    CASEE::VNS, not sure though) they have the stock for the day on
    weekdays and they also have the 85% figure for the first day of the
    stock period, supplemented by the 85% figure for the last day of that
    period, and whichever is lower, when the end of the purchase period
    rolls around.  They also have news of the world, computer articles,
    sports, and Vogonballs....
    
    -Jody
    

    VOGON is available through VTX - menu path (from here) is 1 2 15.

    
    While I remember, a friend of mine from outside Digital
    said that he used to get VNS, but can't or doesn't any more.
    He wanted me to look into this for him.  So, how does one on
    the outside of Digital get VNS subscription? (He's on the Internet.)
    

Send mail to CASEE::VNS - if Marios thinks you're a live one, he'll add
you to the list.  (This means, humor aside, that I'm unsure what his
criteria for outside-DEC subscriptions are.  I do know that some people
out there get VNS, vecause some of the submissions to my VOGONballs
column come from places like Harvard and Dartmouth.)

-d

D! if accuracy on the order of days is what you're after, another possiblity
is your local newspaper. Digital is listed on the New York Stock Exchange
(NYSE) and listings can be found in almost any paper's business section. That's
how I keep track when I'm not trying to pay close attention. If you have
money in the SAVE plan, you can also follow your SAVE investments there too. If
you don't have money in the SAVE plan, you should consider it unless you are
living from paycheck to paycheck.

Funds A and B (the Fixed Interest and Institutional Money Market) funds aren't
listed, but funds C, D, and the new fund E are. C is listed under Vanguard
Windsor, D is (closely) approximated by the Russell 2000 index (not in most
papers, get a Wall Street Journal or Barrons for this one) and fund E is the
Vanguard Institutional Index fund (which closely approximates the S&P 500)
Vanguard Funds will be in the Mutual Fund section, the Russell 2000 and S&P 500
will be in the section on market indices.

There's more about this than you ever wanted to know in SUBWAY::INVESTING.

	-- Charles

    .585, .586, I sanitize VNS (basically, I remove all the Livewire
    articles, and read it all to make sure there's no Internal Use
    Only or whatever it's called now) and forward it to a former Digit who
    missed it...  is that not kosher?

Re: .588

What you're doing is perfectly all right, Sara.  We've had a few flaps
in the past over confidential things that got out - some years back,
when there was still a Letters to the Editor column, some individual
was posting VNS verbatim to a large Boston BBS, and discovery of that
fact led to a not insignificant uproar.

-d

    I need a copy of the issue of Digital This Week that has the
    article about what Ken Olsen said at the State of the Company
    meeting.  This issue came out in the last month or so.
    
    I am in ZKO.  I need it no later than noon on Thursday, 20-June.
    If anyone in ZKO still has this one kicking around, please let me know.
    
    Yes, I tried the library.

    
    	I need Mez's phone number!
    
    	If someone has already informed her of the party, please
    	send mail to let me know.  I can't find her # and it also appears
    	to be unlisted.  
    
    							nancy b.
    

Well, I have searched everywhere I know - most of VTX including Easynotes -
and I cannot find any information on IDEF Modelling.

Can anyone help with some info?  I would be most appreciative.

Barb

    A copy of this year's (July 1991 through June 1992) is hidden in
    the Digital Telephone Directory.
    
    					Ann B.

    I'm in ZKO. Does anyone know of a scanner I could use?
    
    Thanks.
    
    Eileen

    A friend of mine asked me if I know anything about VAX Project Manager.
    
    I  told her I'd ask here to see if anyone out on the net can help.
    
    Bonnie

    
    Bonnie,
    	What did your friend need to know?  I'm currently the writer on
    	DECplan, the next generation of DEC's project management products.
    	I was originally hired to write the docs for "VAX PM V2.0" but
    	that turned into DECplan.  A lot of the VAX PM developers are still
    	in the group.  Feel free to give your friend my name and I'll try
    	to help.
    
    	Ron

    How does one set/change ones mail print default ?
    
    REK
    
    I know I should know this but brain-drain today....

    at the mail prompt:
    
    MAIL> 
    
    type
    
    SET QUEUE queue-name
    
    Then [cause we believe in "trust but verify"]
    
    SHOW QUEUE
    
    or SHOW ALL
    
    ed

    
    
    How do I extract a note from this notesfile, and put it in my VMS
    account so that I can print it out later?
    
    And how do I extract a note out, and then put it back in when I'm done
    editing it in EDT?
    
    Jamd
    (what?!!! Surely you're not suggesting I read a manual or something??!!)

    EXTRACT filename.ext  to get a note out of here into VMS.
    
    REPLY filename.ext  to put an externally edited file into Notes.  Has a
    /NOEDIT switch available if you don't want to run it by one last time
    before posting.
    
    Alison

    When you are at the notes prompt and are reading the note you want
    to extract type:
    
    EXTRACT (or SAVE) /NOHEADER (this removes the file header, title etc.)
    
    You will be prompted for a file name (you can use my.txt or any
    appropriate name).
    
    Then you will be prompted for the number of the note you want to
    save.
    
    If you are extracting your own note at this point to edit it, don't
    forget to delete the original.
    
    Once you have the note extracted, 
    
    type SPAWN
    
    this gets you to the DCL level ($, or login or main directory level).
    
    At this point edit the text that you have extracted.
    
    When you are done, return to the DCL level and type 
    
    LOGOUT or LOG, this will return you to the conference you extracted
    the note from at the place where you were when you spawned.
    
    Type REPLY my.txt (the name you gave the extracted file) and your
    text will be entered as a reply.
    
    If you read through the notes help section you'll find a lot of
    useful information. To access this type HELP at the notes prompt.
    
    Bonnie

    Does anyone have a Farmers Almanac in their office and if so could they
    tell me when the sun sets and rises on Saturday the 13th and Sunday the
    14th.  
    
    Thanks
    

        re .-1, ... if it matters, for roughly the latitude of
        Portland, Maine, USA. :-)
        
        Dan

    re .-1, ... and for those that might want to rise and meet the sun on
    that hiking trip.  ;-)
    
    J

   How exact do you need?
   
       Portland(city) Maine 43:39'n 70:19'w

   Allison

From the Old Farmers Almanac:

		Sunrise		Sunset
Sat. 13th	  5:11		 8:21
Sun. 14th	  5:12		 8:20

Times have been adjusted for Portland, ME, and for DST.

Ben

    Hi!  I need some excellent directions to the Aquarium in boston from
    PKO in Maynard...we have a couple of vistors here testing from St.
    Louis!
    
    thanks!
    
    Kim