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Conference turris::womannotes-v3

Title:Topics of Interest to Women
Notice:V3 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1078
Total number of notes:52352

138.0. "Skin So Soft-good?/bad?" by POBOX::SCHWARTZINGE (I'd Rather Be Shopping) Fri May 18 1990 17:44

    I've read a note where some people think Skin So Soft by Avon could be
    bad as a bug repellent.
    
    What do you think?  I have used it for years for all sorts of things. 
    I told my cleaning lady to use it on the inside glass of the shower 
    doors after she cleans them and BEHOLD no more water marks or soap scum
    and now she uses it on the doors of all the people she cleans for.
    
    Would like to hear more on the bug repellent, and of any other uses you
    have tried.
    
    
    Jackie
    
    :-)
    
    
    
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138.1WMOIS::B_REINKEtreasures....most of them dreamsFri May 18 1990 18:089
    Jackie
    
    Skin So Soft has been tested as an insect repelant and while it
    is better than nothing it is only about a 1/4 as effective
    as the pure DEET products like Deep Woods Off. It can be used
    to protect a small child that you'd not want to use some thing
    like Deep Woods Off on, but it doesn't offer a lot of protecton.
    
    Bonnie
138.2pointersLYRIC::BOBBITTwe washed our hearts with laughterFri May 18 1990 18:489
See also:
    
RANGER::womannotes-v2, topic 725 - women and the outdoors

HELPME::parenting, topics 69 and 1304

BTOQA::hiking, topic 33 - Mosquito Repellants
    
- Jody
138.3Many Uses ...SALEM::POTUCEKSET TO SKI !!!Fri May 18 1990 19:2258
Pirated from another Notes Conf a long time ago.....

              -< And you thought it was only an insect repellant >-
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    Did you know that AVON'S Skin-So-Soft is more than just a bath oil?
    Just look at the list of uses we've found, "tried and true"!!
    
    1. It's a bath oil.
    2. It's an after shower moisturizer.
    3. It can be used to remove makeup.
    4. It's a suntan oil (no sunscreen).
    5. Pour a little in the water of your foot saver to help moisturize
       your feet while you relax them.
    6. It's a hot oil treatment to soften nails.
    7. It's a good massage oil for those overworked, sore muscles.
    8. ***It's a good insect repellant for people and their pets (as
       recommended in "Outdoor Life" and "Field and Stream" magazines,
       plus "dear Abbey").
    9. It helps relieve itching caused by insect bites and dry skin.
    10. Sponge it on screen and around doors and windows to keep crawling
        bugs, as well as, flies and mosquitos out.
    11. It's a wood cleaner, conditioner, and polish for natural wood.
        (cuts grease and dirt from kitchen cabinets with ease.)
    12. It removes chewing gum from hair, skin, and most non-porous
        surfaces.
    13. It removes glue and gum left from price tags and labels from
        glass, metal, and most plastics.
    14. It cleans tape marks left by bandages on skin.
    15. It cleans ink from skin and most vinyl and painted surfaces.
    16. It gently cleans HEAVY grease and oil from skin and non-porous
        surfaces (great for mechanics' hands) -- even from Ultra Suede!
    17. It removes soap scum from shower doors, shower curtains, windows,
        and bathroom and kitchen fixtures.
    18. It removes lime and hard water deposits from windows, fixtures,
        shower doors and tile.
    19. It removes tar spots from car finishes without damaging paint
        finish.
    20. It's an oil lubricant for fitting pipe joints that won't slip
        together as easily as they used to.
    21. It removes paint and stain from skin -- much gentler than
        turpentine.
    22. It cleans paint brushes easily, and leaves them as soft as new.
    23. It removes gum from carpet.
    24. It cuts grease and dirt from range hoods.
    25. It removes candle wax from furniture, carpeting, and clothing.
    26. It removes scuff marks from patent leather shoes.
    27. It removes Liquid Nail (panelling glue).
    28. Two glass bowls or glasses stuck together?  Drizzle a little
        SSS down the sides and they'll come apart easily -- no breakage!
    29. It removes "ring-around-the-collar".
    30. Wipe down vinyl surfaces in your car.  Cleans them nicely, and
        removes smoke odor left behind by cigarette smokers.
    31. Extra benefit -- while using it to clean, etc., it leaves your
        hands soft and smooth -- unlike other harsh cleaners.
    
            CAN YOU THINK OF ANY MORE?????
                               
138.4LEZAH::BOBBITTwe washed our hearts with laughterFri May 18 1990 19:374
    wow!  Sounds like Dr. Bronner's (Bonner's?) Amazing Peppermint Soap!
    
    -Jody
    
138.5YWMOIS::RAINVILLEProphet Wanted, Prescient!Sat May 19 1990 03:1114
    
    After staining miles of wood wainscoting, Martha discovered she was
    out of this material to clean her hands, so she sent me down the
    street to borrow some.
    
    	Knock! Knock!
    			Husband answers door.
    
    	"Excuse me, does your wife have Skin-So-Soft?"
    
    	"NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS!"...SLAM!!!!
    							;-)
    								MWR
    
138.6stapler repairDLNVAX::JOHNMon May 21 1990 20:196
    
    Used it as a lubricant on the jammed electric stapler here in the
    library.  The stapler has worked like a charm since.
    
    		Ann
    
138.7Safe for llamasRAMPNT::HALVORSONWed May 23 1990 15:5410
    Skin-So-Soft tends to keep mosquitoes and blackflies from landing
    because it leaves an oily slick on your skin.  (Doesn't deter ticks,
    though.)  One of my birding buddies noticed that the main ingredient
    is just baby oil, so she's using the baby oil by itself now in
    blackfly country.  I recently learned that a llama trek company
    in Bethel, Maine puts Skin-So-Soft on the llamas during blackfly
    season!
    
    Jane
    
138.8Horses and dogs, tooDECWET::DADDAMIOTesting proves testing worksWed May 23 1990 23:583
    Many people also use it on horses and dogs.  See the CANINE and
    EQUITATION notesfiles for details (sorry, I don't have the node names
    for these handy).
138.9NEED HELP!POBOX::SCHWARTZINGEI'd Rather Be ShoppingWed Jun 06 1990 19:2114
    
    
    HELP   HELP   HELP  I know I read somewhere in these notes that SSS
    either wasn't good for children or wasn't effective, or something, and
    it wasn't in this file.
    
    Has anyone else read it?  It was under a different topic entirely. 
    Someone has contacted me via mail and I would like to help them out
    with where it is.
    
    Thanks
    
    
    "j"
138.10not very effective, apparentlyCUPCSG::RUSSELLWed Jun 06 1990 21:3173
    I pulled this off the net last year.  Poked around some and found it
    again. (I MUST clean my files out sone of these days...)The net headers
    are intact, but I've moved them to the bottom of this reply to make it
    easier to read.
    
    Since this is off a bulletin board/newsnet, I did not check to see if I
    could post it.  I've asterisked the company name mentioned in the
    posting so as not to even seemingly bash another company.
    
    ---------------------------------------------------------------- 
    Please no flames - I am just passing on information given to me by my
    allergist.
    
    In my last visit, we got on the discussion of insect repellents and I
    mentioned **** Skin So Soft as a  recommended and easy way to ward off
    bugs.  He handed me a May 19, 1989 copy of a newsletter called 'The
    Medical Letter" which is published by The Medical Letter, Inc, 56
    Harrison St, New Rochelle NY, a nonprofit publication. This particular
    issue contained information on insect repellents with specific
    information devoted to **** Skin So Soft.  This following paragraph is
    taken directly from the newsletter:
 
    "SKIN SO SOFT - A commerical concentrated bath oil, **** Skin So Soft,
    has come into wide use as a "folk medicine" mosquito repellent.  This
    product contains di-isopropyl adipate, mineral oil, isopropyl
    palmitate, dioctyl sodium  sulfosuccinate, fragrance, and the sunscreen
    benzophenone-11. In one study, the bath oil did repel Ae. aegypti, the
    mosquito carrier of yellow fever (LC Rutledge et al, Mosquito News,
    42:557, 1982) but, according to Medical Letter consultants, Skin So
    Soft may protect against mosquitoes for as little as 10 to 30 minutes,
    and the safety of repeated, widespread application of the concentrated
    bath  oil to the skin is unknown." 
 
    My allergist added this additional information - The first 2
    ingredients of Skin So Soft - di-isopropyl adipate and mineral oil have
    been  combined have been  known to cause brain damage and liver damage
    in children.  The  problem comes in when these 2 substances are
    directly applied to the skin (as opposed to being used in the bathtub) 
    they are obsorbed by the body.  The body has on way of getting  rid of
    these 2 substances and the levels just keep increasing in  the body. 
    Sounds like the same principal of alar in apples. Bottom line, he
    strongly cautions against using Skin So Soft as an insect repellent for
    the above reasons.
 
    For the record, I have nothing against the **** Company.  I  as a
    general rule, like their products.  As I have seen Skin  So Soft
    mention in both misc.consumers, and rec.pets, I thought I would post
    this information on to others who might be smearing Skin So  Soft on
    themselves, their children and their pets this summer. 
    
    ----- John Allred 
    BBN Systems and Technologies Corp. (jallred@bbn.com)
 
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138.11FDCV07::HSCOTTLynn Hanley-ScottThu Jun 07 1990 18:263
    Thanks to .10 (and Jackie!) -- this is the article I read somewhere on
    the net recently..
    
138.12Be carefulHARDY::EVANSOne-wheel drivin'Thu Jun 07 1990 19:456
    Just a general note to folks to always *know* what you are putting
    on your skin. Putting something on your skin is only one step (and
    a small step at that) from putting it in your mouth.
    
    --DE
    
138.13Skin So SoftCSC32::DUBOISThe early bird gets wormsFri Jun 08 1990 17:273
We used the lotion, not the bath oil, and it worked fine for us.

        Carol
138.14FDCV07::HSCOTTLynn Hanley-ScottFri Jun 08 1990 17:354
    Skin So Soft Lotion??  Against bugs?
    
    that's a good idea -- I hate the oily-ness of the bath oil.
    
138.15JJLIET::JUDYYork beach boogyin with the bandFri Jun 08 1990 18:5411
    
    	I also received that this week and today I received
    	another message saying that that is an old report and that
    	some medical lab did some research and found nothing wrong
    	with it. And pooey!, wouldn't you know I just deleted the
    	darn thing before I read this note?
    
    	I guess each person will have to use their own judgment.
    
    	JJ
    
138.16Demented in Nashua :-)HUGS::KRISTYRock-n-Roll WoobieFri Jun 08 1990 23:394
    My family has been using it for the past three summers (somtimes full
    strength and sometimes very watered down) and none of our brains have
    completely rotted away - of course, if they have, we wouldn't know
    it... :-) :-)
138.17sorting out the differences between DEET and SOSULTRA::ZURKOI have an attitude opportunityWed Jul 25 1990 19:47159
Here's a note from HIKING on the subject (x-posted with permission)

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                     -< HIKING and BACKPACKING Conference >-
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Note 281.25      Black Flies .. Control, Remedies, Cures, Helps         25 of 27
AHIKER::EARLY "Bob Early T&N/EIC"                   150 lines  13-JUN-1990 10:48
          -< Avon Skin-so-Soft, DEET, and Hints on using Repellants >-
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    13-JUN-1990
    

From: schwalbe@pinocchio.Encore.COM (Jim Schwalbe)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Skin-So-Soft warning (and other "insect-repellants").
Summary: Avon's Skin-So-Soft warning
Keywords: insect repellant,DEET,R-11,Skin-So-Soft
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Date: 24 May 90 20:15:52 GMT
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Well this will teach me to get my facts straight before I make a posting.
If anyone is interested in insect repellants and possible bad effects 
from some of their ingrediants, please read on.  Otherwise, spare yourself
from reading this rather long posting.
 
I must apologize to the net for making a statement a while ago about recent
reports as to some deleterious effects of Avon's Skin-So-Soft when applied
directly to the skin as an insect repellant.  I stated that my wife informed
me (she is a Toxicologist for the state of New Hampshire) that Skin-So-Soft
contains an ingrediant which is a neurotoxin and is absorbed into the 
bloodstream when applied directly to the skin and that this has been shown
to be especially bad with young children.  As it turns out, I got my facts
confused.  What my wife was referring to was DEET which is not an ingrediant
in Skin-So-Soft, but it is in other insect repellants.
 
Here's where the confusion came in.  Several months ago, someone made a 
posting to this newsgroup about Skin-So-Soft.  I printed out the note
but do not have the header with the posters name so I don't know who I'm
quoting here (perhaps you will recognize this and speak up).  In this
article, this person quoted "The Medical Letter", May 19, 1989, The Medical
Leter Inc., New Rochell, NY saying that "the safety of repeated and widespread
application of the concentrated bath oil [Skin-So-Soft] to the skin is
unknown".  This person also stated that his/her allergist said that
Skin-So-Soft which contains di-isopropyl adipate and mineral oil which
"when combined have been know to cause brain damage and liver damage in
children".  The only thing my wife has been able to turn up on this is that
di-isopropyl adipate by itself has been shown to have "low acute oral
toxicity".  Not much help.  I would conclude that that the issue with
Skin-So-Soft is still open.
 
What I confused this with is what my wife told me about the compound DEET.
This is quoted from "Public Health News", May 7, 1990, N.H. Department of
Health and Human Services, Division of Public Health Services, 6 Hazen Dirve,
Concord, NH  03301, titled "State Health Officals advise caution in using
insect repellents" by Amy Juchatz, Toxicologist (my wife's boss).
 
    "CONCORD - The New Hampshire Division of Public Health Services (DPHS) is
    issuing an ALERT to consumers regarding two insect repellent ingredients:
    R-11 and DEET.  R-11 is being voluntarily withdrawn from the market by the
    manufacturer due to health concerns.  DEET, which may be used alone or in
    combination with R-11, has been associated with health effects in young
    children.
    Last week it was announced that McLaughlin, Gormley King Company (MGK), the
    sole producer of R-11 has voluntarily halted production and sales of R-11
    and is requesting that the United States Environmental Protection Agency
    cancel its registration.  This action is due to reports of birth defects
    and tumor formation in laboratory animals.
    Although no reports of adverse symptoms in humans have been received, many
    bug repellent namufacturers who use R-11 as an ingredient in thir insect
    repellents have voluntarily withdrawn their products from the market.  Not
    all manufacturers have done so, however, and a limited supply of products
    containig R-11 may still be on store shelves."
 
[I'm skipping some stuff here but it goes on to say that the real name for R-11
is "2,3,4,5-Bis(2-butylene tetrahydro-2-furaldehyde)".]
 
    "The DPHS is further advising parents who use DEET on children to excercise
    caution.  There have been reports of serious neurological problems in
    children associated with frequent and excessive applications of insect
    repellents containing DEET.  These symptoms which have been observed only
    in children (not adults) using DEET consist of headaches, restlessness,
    crying spells, mania, staggering, rapid respiration, convulsions, and
    coma".
 
[More stuff skipped here...]
 
    "Products containing DEET have a public health benefit of reducing spread
    of diseases such as Lyme Disease, carried by deer ticks.  Therefor, the
    DPHS is not recommending that the public avoid DEET-containing products,
    but instead recommends that the following precautions be taken:
	1. Use all repellants sparingly (1 to 2 times a day).
	2. Avoid prolonged and excessive use of DEET-containing products,
	especially on children.
	3. Avoid using products that contain mor than 30% DEET on children.
	4. Apply insect repellents on clothes rather than bare skin when
	possible.
	5. People with acnes, psoriasis, or other skin problems should also use
	DEET products sparingly.
    Last summer, similar recommendations were issued byt the U.S. EPA and the
    state departments in Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, and Michigan.
    Since R-11 will no longer be available, health officials are concerned that
    people will be more likely to use products with a high percentage of DEET
    (greater than 30%)".
 
As a side note, I do remember hearing recently that studies have shown that
"products containing 30% DEET have been shown to be at LEAST as effective
against insects as those containing 95-100% DEET".
 
Now, from the "Concord Monitor", p. D6, Thursday, May 10, 1990 under the Health
section, a quoted story by Sandy Rovner of the Washington Post (excerpts).
 
    ".... two of the best-selling bug repellents, Cutter's and Deep Woods Off,
    have been removed from store shelves."
 
    ".... they and other products containing a possibly dangerous chemical,
    popularly known as R-11, have been voluntarily recalled by their
    namufacturers."
 
    "New formulations of Deep Woods Off - the only Off product that contains
    R-11 - and various Cutter's lotions and sprays that contained the offending
    chemical, are scheduled to be on store shelves soon.  Both will sport
    labels stating "new formulation"."
 
    "According to tropical disease specialist Martin Wolf, the physicaian who
    runs the Washington-based Travelers Medical Service, DEET occasionally has
    been associated with nervous system problem, allergies, and other ills,
    especially in small children.
    According to Wolf, there is a superior tick and mosquito repellent on the
    market, although it is not widely available called Permanone, or
    permethrin ....."
 
So I hope that staightens out any confusion I may have caused.  I hope this
information is helpful to people.
 
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