Conference turris::womannotes-v2

    Is anyone flying from DECUS to Washington? If so, when is your flight?
    Maybe we could coordinate flights.
    
    I just heard that United has a flight from LA to Dulles to Manchester,
    NH for $179.
    
    G

    
    
    i secured several rooms at the Holiday Inn "Capitol", which is 2
    blocks from the smithsonian metro stop. the room rates seem reasonable,
    and i didn't know how long they might last at this rate......so....
    
    if anyone is looking for hotel accomodations friday november 10
    thru monday november 13 (or sunday the 12th) for $72.95 (plus tax),
    send me mail. [i think they are all 2double bed rooms]
    
    these reservations will be available until 11/3, or until all the
    spare rooms (4) are spoken for.
    
    
    ~robin
    

    Here are some details about the Mobilization for Women's Lives:
    
    The mobilization will be held at the Lincoln Memorial, from noon to
    4:30 on Sunday, November 12.  It will not include a march.
    
    On Monday, November 13 there will be a lobby day to contact your state
    legislators.  
    
    Any group of 20 or more can be classified as a delegation.  All
    delegations must register with the Mobilization office no later than
    October 20, 1989 by calling (202) 331-0066.  
    
    Special seating is available for the differently abled.  There will be
    signers for the hearing impaired.
    
    There is no special request to wear white.  But as usual, the colors of
    white, purple, and gold will be used on the banners.  You can't go
    wrong with those colors!
    
    See you there--in the crowd!
    
    judy

    NH NOW is sponsoring buses that will leave from three different NH
    cities.  You can board the bus at Manchester, Portsmouth, or Hanover.
    The buses will leave on Saturday evening, on November 11 and will get
    into DC early Sunday morning.  The buses will leave DC after the
    mobilization and get back into NH in the early hours of Monday morning.
    
    The buses will cost $55 a person.  If you are interested in a flier for
    the buses, please send me mail.
    
    Thanks!
    
    Judy

    See 685.152 for details on 
    the San Francisco March,
    Sunday 15 Oct 89.
    
    DougO

    Well, as long as its safe to jump in the water ....
    
    Boston NOW will be having a Mobilization/Rally organizers meeting this
    Thursday, September 21, at 7:00 p.m.  It will be held at 100 Arlington
    Street, which I have it on good authority is right next to the
    Arlington "T" stop.  These meetings will be held every Thursday evening
    from now until November.
    
    The purpose is to find people willing to help out in calling other NOW
    members, distributing leaflets, helping organize transportation, form
    political action committees ... you name it.  We explain what it is
    we're doing and help you decide how you'd like to help out.
    
    If Boston's too far away, the Worcester NOW chapter meets every Tuesday
    evening at 7:00 pm in the Worcester YWCA (ask at the desk, as we tend
    to float).  These tend to be more "workie" type get togethers.

re: .7 (Jim Mackin)

>    Boston NOW will be having a Mobilization/Rally organizers meeting this
>    Thursday, September 21, at 7:00 p.m.  

Just fyi - according to my calendar, this conflicts with Gloria 
Steinem's speech "Democracy and Feminism in the 90's" on Thursday, 
Sept 21, at 8pm at Clark University's Atwood Hall.
    
>    evening at 7:00 pm in the Worcester YWCA (ask at the desk, as we tend
>    to float).  These tend to be more "workie" type get togethers.

Oooh - NOW meetings where you "float" at the YWCA at "workie" type get
togethers :-) ?  That sounds like fun!

How did =wn=ers stay in touch and organized during the march in April?  

Did many people stay in the same place?   Are there any such plans for
this November?
							nancy b.

>How did =wn=ers stay in touch and organized during the march in April?  

We registered as a delegation. There were set areas for bunches of delegations
to meet, and officials to help you find your delegation area. Then, you
recognise other womannotes, or the banner.
	Mez

    Is someone bringing the banner to DC for Nov 12?
    
    I'm coming straight from DECUS, I don't know which flight yet.

	Does anyone have information about NOW in LA and if they will
	be sending people to DC on the 12?

	Greta is out there and would like to go to DC with a group
	for LA if possible.

	_peggy

    <-- I was under the impression that Maggie had the banner. If not
    she may know where it is.
    
    Anybody else going?
    
    Kate
    

    yes, Maggie has the banner and if we have a contingent then the banner
    will be there too!

    I'm driving down on Saturday and coming back Monday.  My husband is
    coming with me this time.  Are any other Womannoters going?  Should we
    all try to meet someplace?
    
    Suzanne

    
    my roomie and myself will be traveling to d.c. fri and returning
    on monday.  is NOW organizing by contigent for this demonstration
    like they did the march in april? if so, i hope we get enough of
    a =wn='ers group together! 
    
    ~robin

    
    I'll be there again, staying with my sister who lives in Arlington.
    I didn't get a chance to meet up with any womannoters last time but
    would really like to this time.
    
    Phyllis
    

	It looks as though I will be there with a friend.

	I am on the Mobilzation Planning Committee for the
	Greater Lowell NOW Chapter but I am planning on being
	with the =wn= contingent if there is one.

	Has someone agreed to do what ever needs to be done
	to get us as an official delegation?

	_peggy

I'll be there - arriving Friday and leaving Monday...

john

    I plan on going, but don't know how or when, etc. yet.

    I'll be there.  You'll recognize me by the sign I'll be holding.
    
    Regards,
    
    Ken Arndt

    Are you not going to join our group then, Ken?  
    
    						=maggie

    
    OK, I'll get us registered as a contingent again.
    
    I'll see if we can be registered as coming from "planet, earth"
    but if we can't be, I'll put us down as from Massachusetts, OK?
    
    CQ

    If you want a form to fill out, I've got it and will be happy to send
    it to you.  Please tell me where and who to address it to...
    
    You need to do this by October 20, so there is plenty of time.
    
    judy

    I'm planning to come to Washington to participate in this march.
    
    DougO

    
    I may have one but I'll let you know!
    
    Thanks
    
    CQ

	I'll be there.  Flying in Saturday, early evening.

	I've found the perfect earrings to wear at the march 
	at an accessory store in a mall.  They are dangly
	wooden coathangers about 3 cm long.  Am thinking 
	about using red fingernail polish on part of them
	to make a more definitive statement...

						nancy b.

    I'll most likely be going, but I'm not sure of my plans. One of
    my housemates and at least one friend are also planning to go,
    so I may be making travel/lodging arrangements with them. I'll
    try to link up with the =wn= contingent, though.
    
    --- jerry

    I really like the idea of the red fingernail polish on part
    of your coat hanger earrings . . . how about a little fetal
    head, hand or foot as well???  
    
    

    Umm, can we stop this now?  Both suggestions *really* turn my stomach.
    It's a difficult topic to begin with, lets not throw gasoline on the
    flames.
    
    
    For what it's worth, I'll be there!  I'll be driving down and staying
    with my parents in Maryland -- if anyone is going to the Gaithersburg
    area, I'd be more than happy to carpool.
    
    Pam

    
       Pam and Ken - please accept my apologies re: earrings.
    
       It was a half-sarcastic/half-serious/half-disgusted-at-the
       situation reaction to the fact that the USA Today/MTV effect
       is influencing how news is reported --> being visual and 
       strong imagery is more important than ever.  
                                		      nancy b.
    				 

    <--(.26)
    
    Nancy, where did you get the earrings, exactly?  Perhaps other people
    might want to get a pair for the trip too.
    
    						=maggie

    on a related subject,
    
     Justice Stevens (Stephens?) has removed himself from considering the
    abortion case. This is considered significant, since he always affirmed
    the constitutional right to an abortion. What impact do you think this
    will have?
    
     The Doctah

                          <** Moderator Response **>

    I don't think this is the correct string for anything but rally-
    specific planning/information.  
    
    						=maggie

re: .31 (=maggie)

>    Nancy, where'd you get the earrings...they sound like something quite a
>    few of us would like to buy for the trip.

	Accessory Lady, Natick mall, $7

        Darn it, I thought about picking up a couple of pairs but
        wasn't sure if others would think it a clever idea (I did :-)
        or gross (as .27 and .28 did).

        						nancy b.

	What are some ways we could effectively get across our message
	{my interpretation of which is 'abortion should be safe, legal,
        and funded'} at the rally, in addition to a banner and chants ?

	Remember, 
         *   brainstorming means no idea is dismissed as dumb or unreason-
             able; analysis takes places after all ideas are received
         *   the more visual, the more effectively your message will
             carry in a rally-type situation given today's media
             (recent example - the protesters of MA cuts in mental 
             health funding carried caskets at the State House last 
             week creating a very effective message for both the Boston
             Glob and the local newscasts to carry)

							nancy b.

    
    if i can afford the plane fare and my concert the night before finishes
    early enough, i will be there (but it's rather expensive, so don't hold
    your breath)
    

    Is anyone coming from DECUS? I have a United flight departing LAX, 
    arriving Dulles at 8:45 or so. 
    
    G

    Barbara b. and me are coming from DECUS, but we're going from Orange
    County to BWI.

	The Greater Lowell Chapter of NOW will be sending buses to
	Washington, D.C. - leaving Saturday night and coming back
	on Sunday night.  Tickets are $55.00.

	For more information:

		 contact Greater Lowell NOW
			 P.O. Box 8754
			 Lowell, MA 01853

		 call   (508)251-0568

	The Worcester Chapter of NOW will be sending buses to
	Washington, D.C. - leaving Saturday night and coming back
	on Sunday night.  Tickets are $45.00.

	For more information:

		 contact Worcester NOW
			 One Salem Square
			 Worcester, MA 01608

		 call   (508)755-3645

    Boston NOW is arranging for trains, buses, and planes to get people
    down to D.C. for the November 12 mobilization.  The following are a
    summary of what's up; for additional information call Boston NOW at
    (617) 782-1056 or (617) 782-4059.
    
    Buses: $50 round trip.  Leave Boston: 9:00 pm, Saturday November 11
    			    Leave Washington: 7:00 pm, Sunday November 12
    
    Train: $80 round trip.  Leave Boston 9:30 pm from AmTrak, South Station
    			    Leave Washington: 9:30 pm, Sunday November 12
    
    Plane: $130 round trip. Leave Boston: Sunday morning (call for details)
    			    Leave Washington: Sunday evening
    
    Tickets:
    
    Tickets will be available starting October 3. Hotel arrangements and
    alternative travel plans can be made through Nan Susman at Twin City
    Travel, (508) 537-6015 or Vicki Ferguson at GET Travel in Washington
    (1522 Connecticut Ave. NW, Washington D.C., 20036  1-800-228-0861). 
    Tickets are available by cash, check, Visa/Mastercard (call Mondays and
    Wednesdays between 10:00 am - 1:00 pm) from the Boston NOW office.  Bus
    tickets are also available at Out-of-Town Tickets, New Words Book Store
    in Cambridge, Arborway Video and Sound in Jamaica Plain.

    "Operation Rescue" is planning a counter-demonstration in Washington
    D.C. on Saturday, November 11, the day before the Mobilization for
    Women's Lives.  They intend to try and shut down *all* of the D.C. clinics
    that day.
    
    It seems only fit that we give them a proper welcome.  NOW is
    organizing a counter-demonstration and we're urging everyone to come
    down a day early and show O.R. and the media who's really the majority!
    The Boston NOW office is organizing buses down to Washington D.C. that
    will be leaving on Friday, November 10 at 9:00 pm.  Cost for a round
    trip ticket is $55 and will be leaving D.C. at the same time as the
    other buses on Sunday night.
    
    For ticket information, call Boston NOW at (617) 782-1056 or 782-4059

  Northern California and Beyond...

                   PRO-CHOICE MARCH AND RALLY
        TO PROTECT WOMEN'S RIGHTS & SAVE WOMEN'S LIVES

          SUNDAY, OCTOBER 15, 1989, San Francisco, CA
       Sponsored by NOW and Bay Area Pro-Choice Coalition
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

We did it again.  We took to the streets of San Francisco yesterday, for
an assembly, a march, and a closing rally...to gather our strength, to show
it, and to make our statement.  This was the first big rally in California
since the Webster decision was announced.  Last April 2nd, SF marched with
some 25,000 people.  Yesterday, some 60,000 people joined us!  It was huge!

As before, (see 325.217) we assembled from 11AM onwards in Justin Herman Plaza
at the Embarcadero end of Market Street.  This time, they had an official
march count sign-up sheet, and we were continuously urged to be sure to get
signed in.  Many organizations had buttons or tshirts or bumper stickers to
sell, and lots of leaflets were flying around.  The line ups included college
groups, political groups, women's organizations, gay and lesbian groups, 
educators, health-care providers, clinic defense groups...many others, I can't 
recall them all!  We stepped off around noon.

Due to construction on Market, we detoured up Pine for several blocks, then 
turned back towards Market along Kearney.  This was novel, because Pine goes
between many big tall office buildings and the noise was tremendous.  It was
fantastic shouting our chants in that echo chamber!  It became a little tough
just before we turned onto Kearney because Pine starts climbing (this *is* SF)
and it was harder on our elderly marchers, and those pushing strollers, etc.
Getting back to Market was only a mixed blessing, because with that many people
in the street, you can't see very far in front of you and the trolley tracks,
potholes, street gratings, manhole covers, and curbs were treacherous.

The signs seemed to me to be much more varied this time; many, many individual
efforts.  (I'm drawing a blank on the words, sorry.)  The Clinic Defense group 
had a huge multi-section placard which was most impressive.  My voice quit 
about two-thirds of the way along the route, and mine wasn't the only one; but
we had lots of help and the noise and energy levels were maintained.  I was in
the NOW section, more or less staying within sight of the Palo Alto banner the
whole trip.  We got to the Civic Center Plaza about 1:15...passing donation 
collection points and a row of porta-pottys (18 or 19; lines looked to be 
about 4 or 5 deep at that time.)  The weather was cooperative most of the day;
mostly sunny, an occaisional cloud, intermittent breeze; until around 3, when
the clouds stayed and it got chilly.  The Civic Center Plaza was lined with
groups collecting petition signatures, selling shirts and buttons and stickers,
and with some food available at the back end.

Our speakers included California Representatives to the US House of 
Representatives Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi, both instrumental in
defeating the Hyde Amendment and finally getting last week's funding
bill (to fund abortions for pregnant victims of rape and incest) passed
after 10 years of defeats.  They told us that the House is waking up;
that the groundswell of support raining into their mailboxes since Webster
has shocked many of the complacent members.  They warned us, though, that
our opponents will work to defeat Pro-Choice members and candidates through
means direct and indirect; we *must* make certain that our Pro-Choice
legislators *know* that they have our support.  The politics of this fight
are going to be long and probably dirty; make your views KNOWN to your reps!

Other speakers included the Lieutenant Governor of California, the State
Attourney General, former SF mayor and now gubernatorial candidate Diane
Feinstein, Norma M(?) (sorry I can't spell it; she is also known as Jane
Roe), Pat Norman, and a host of others; teachers, labor leaders, Hollywood
activists, city and state elected officials, leaders from NOW and Planned
Parenthood and coalitions statewide, the son of Alan Cranston (who read a
statement from his father), and many others.

We had some musical entertainment from a group known as The Ultras, and an 
educational presentation (!) from Fat Chance Belly Dance, which was well 
received...as well as something I won't even pretend I understood, which 
seemed to be about armed women fighting in Mexico 75 years ago, alongside 
men, done to martial music, with dance, rifles, and costumes.  As an 
alternate to the speeches the entertainment was needed...though unusual.

Local TV coverage slotted the story 2nd (behind the Bay Area World Series
Game 2 as lead) or 3rd (behind the Series and the Tokyo Stock Market report).
Coverage was mostly favorable, though one station gave OR the chance to
comment, despite the fact that the Pro-Lifers didn't even show up to oppose 
us this time.  Balancing that, they pointedly mentioned that early police
estimates of 30,000 were never raised, and reported that the organizer's
count was 60,000.  Hopefully they'll report it when the signatures are 
counted.  They did include numerous camera angles of the gathering filling
the Civic Center Plaza, from very high up; fewer street scenes than I'd
have wanted, but a couple.

OK, folks.  The political battle lines are being drawn in the states and
at the national level.  Rallies were held last week in Florida, and in
several other states on Sunday (though Trenton is the only one CNN covered).
I think Los Angeles is next week; and I know DC on November 12th is less than
four weeks away.  Do what you gotta do.  Hope to see you in DC...

DougO

    
    Registration of Women of Note as a delegation is in progress...
    
    So, I assume it's the same this time as it was last time -- find
    a facilitator and ask where they've put us on the grid.
    
    And hey!  My 74 year-old mother is going to overcome her fear of
    flying to meet me in DC for the rally.  She wanted to know how come
    "we (the general public) don't hear about these things (rallies
    in support of choice)" and had a few choice words about the president.
    
    Now, where can I find a light-weight folding chair...
    
    See ya there,
    
    CQ

    I'm going to be there but, alas, probably won't be with the =wn
    delegation this time.  I'm going down on Friday evening to either help
    get things organized for Boston NOW or do some sightseeing.

    I just received a bunch of info from NARAL of NH - some of it may be
    duplicate information...
    
              MOBILIZE FOR WOMEN'S LIVES NOVEMBER 12TH, 1989
    
    Join us in this historic mobilization to keep abortion and birth
    control safe and legal!
    
    Buses will depart from three locatons: Portsmouth and Manchester at
    10:00 pm., and Hanover at 9:00 p.m. on Saturday, November 11, and
    arrive in Washington, D.C. early Sunday morning, November 12.  THe
    mobilization starts a noon.  Following the mobilization, the buses will
    leave Washington between 5:00 and 6:00 p.m.  and arrive in New
    Hampshire early on Monday morning, November 13.  Rest stops have been
    planned along the route.
    
    Unlike the last trip, the buses will leave from one departure point
    only.  The seats to a particular bus will be sold on a first-come first
    server basis.  If you want to sit with your friends, order your tickets
    together.
    
    Bus fare is $55 per seat.  The buses are non-smoking only.  Phone
    reservations will not be accepted.
    
    Additional scholarships are available.  Fill out the form below and
    send it to the P.O. Box.  Someone from NH NOW will be in touch with
    you.
    
    In the spirit of the suffragists, please wear gold, purple or white.
    
    Reservations must be made by October 31.  No refunds will be made.  You
    will receive a confirmation notice with final departure information
    approximately one week before the mobilization.
    
    FOr more information, please contact Pat Murphy at 742-6181 or Judy
    Blachek at 888-3298.
    
    --------
    
    Join NARAL-NH at send off rallies Saturday, November 11th.
    
    If you cannot make the trip to Washington, show your support for the
    Mobilization by joining us for a rousing send of 1/2 hour before bus
    departure time in...
    
    Manchester:  Rally at 9:30 p.m.
    
    Portsmouth:  Rally at 9:30 p.m.
    
    Hanover: Rally at 8:30 p.m.
    
    Conway: Rally at 7:30 p.m.
    
    
    

    Anyone who wants to take the bus mentione in the previous note and
    would like the order form - please contact me since I won't be using
    mine.  I'll be in Baltimore for the weekend visiting family but I plan
    on being at the rally with my husband and mother-in-law!  Does anyone
    have any more info on the WN delegation?

                       Redwing Productions Presents
    
                The Washington Sisters with Melanie Monsur
    
                                   and
    
                              Deidre McCalla
    
                       In a concert to Benefit the
                 Feminist Health Center of Portsmouth And
                NH National Abortion Rights Action League
    
    $13.50 Adv., $15.00 Door
    General Admission
    Unitarian Universalist Church
    
    Friday, Nov. 3, 1989
    8:00 P.M.
    282 State Street,
    Portsmouth, NH
    
    Tickets are available by mail through NARAL-NH and FHC-P - stop by or
    call NARAL-NH office in Concord.  Please make checks payable to FHC-P.
    

    
    re: .47 more info on the WN delegation
    
    Could you be more specific?  I don't understand the question.
    
    CQ

    RE: .49
    
    Is it official yet that we have a delegation?  Who's going to be there? 
    Are we carrying the banner?  Do we as individuals have to register with
    our delegation?  What needs to be done?  Can I help?  What time do
    people plan on starting to get together?
    
    I haven't seen a lot of info on it yet so I guess I have lots of
    questions.
    
    Suzanne

    There is a Marriott Courtyard at New Carrolton MD, walking distance
    to Metro System(DC mass transit), and Amtrak station that has rooms
    available for that weekend, and is located right in the middle of
    the Digital facilities. Please post where the delegation will meet
    my wife and I would like  to join the delegation. As a resident of
    the Baltimore/Washington area, if I could help out with anything
    please let me know.
    
     
    

    
    I second that request to let us know where to meet you all!  I'll
    be going down early to spend the weekend with my sister, but this
    time I want to meet some womannoters.
    
    Phyllis
    

    
    Thanks for the more specific questions!
    
    We are not yet but will be an official delegation.  I put off
    registering us and was worried, but several phone calls to the NOW
    "action center" in DC have put my worries to rest.  There is no 
    registration of us as individuals; we are Women of Note.
    
    However, delegations will not be plotted on a grid as they were
    last time.  This means that we have to decide our OWN PLACE TO MEET.
    (I was wrong in my last note; I was assuming things would go on
    as they had before.)
    
    From the Mobilization Fact Sheet:
    
    Assemble by 12:00 noon, Lincoln Memorial Grounds.  Demonstration
    will be completed by 4:30 p.m.
    
    They request that two people from each delegation be marshals
    (to keep the delegation together).  I don't know what one has to
    do to be an official marshall.
    
    They also request that we dress in white.
    
    I'm not sure yet what I'm doing once I get to DC.  I do want to hook
    up with womannoters/DECcies/friends-of-same for the rally, so I'd
    for there to be a set meeting place.  I'd feel comfortable if thought 
    I'd be able to (at least) find the WoN at the Lincoln Memorial grounds.
    
    CQ

>    This means that we have to decide our OWN PLACE TO MEET.

Fer heavens sake, HOW? I don't know anything about the area. Who does?
	Mez

    
    My sister does - she lives there.  I'll speak with her tonight and
    see if she has an idea.  Actually, I have an idea but I have to
    check with her and make sure I'm picturing the area right.
       
    Phyllis
    

    I know the area around the Lincoln Memorial and am having a really
    tough time picturing how you could send 1/2 million people down there
    and pick enough unique landmarks for them to find each other.  3rd
    column from the right of the memorial?

    Am I missing something? are they not setting up a grid like last time?
    
    Bonnie

    
    I figured we would meet somewhere away from the Memorial but in
    walking distance.  I agree it would be absurd to try and meet *at*
    the Memorial.  
    
   

    Re.56  [as one who knows the area pretty well, myself] 
    
     '3rd column...' would be more than ample with the Women of Note
    banner in place.  It _is_ unique and it would be _hard!_ to miss.
    
      Ann

    
    Re: Bonnie, .57: Correcto-mundo!  They are NOT plotting us on a
    grid like last time.  It was just too much work, according to the
    woman I talked to.  (I did tell her they did a swell job, though.)
    
    If the banner will be there, I agree, it will be easier to spot
    than other banners.  I don't know the area well enough to discuss
    possible meeting places, but maybe I can get a look at a map and/or 
    pictures.  Do any of our reader have a working (or theoretical)
    knowledge of orientiering techniques?  Perhaps we apply some one
    or more of these techniques to the local landmarks to pinpoint our 
    own meeting place?
    
    I'm game...
    
    CQ 

    Well actually, where we met last time, on the shoulder of the hill
    to the right of the Washington monument would be a good place if the
    banner were there because it would be visible for a long way.
    
    Bonnie

    
    It's my impression that the impetus behind making Women of Note
    a delegation in April had to do with providing a way for all those
    marching to find each other.  Since that service will not be provided 
    to delegations for this rally, we don't need to do this.  I've got 
    till November 3rd or so (don't remember the exact date right now) to 
    mail in the form.  The form has a line for each member and spaces for 
    their address and phone.  I'd still like to do this, just to "let them
    know we were there".  Whoever would like to be counted as WoN, send me 
    your name, address, and phone.  (And those of you who are bringing
    or coming with non-WoN readers.  Now, I don't normally like to give my 
    phone number out; if anyone has this same reluctance, I'm sure name 
    (and maybe city and/or state) would be sufficient.  This just struck 
    me as mildly strange phobia...)
    
    Also, they sent me a really nice poster that I can make copies of.
    If anyone wants a copy, let me know.
    
    CQ

    
    I assume that the address requested is "where you live" not "where 
    you work" (i.e., mailstop).  I don't know that it makes much
    difference, but I also assume it will mean getting lots of unsolicited
    mail (which you may not want to receive at a work address).
              
    CQ

Unfortunatey, I won't be able to make the demonstration after all.
Next time for sure.  

john

    There was a board meeting of the NOW groups in the Northeast on Sunday. 
    (New York, plus the six New England states.)  The board was very upset
    to learn that National is not planning on using the grid system.  They
    are planning on putting pressure on National NOW to get them to use
    it again.  It is just impossible to think that groups will be able to 
    meet each other at other locations.  There are also may be
    counter-demonstrations in the area, which would further complicate
    meeting at other sites.  
    
    It is a much more empowering experience if friends can meet and share
    the experience together.  I can't believe that National can't work out
    the details.
    
    Also, last time I never did see the WmNote banner, even though I looked
    for it.  I think finding a group in a crowd that huge is more difficult
    than any of us might think.
    
    Anyway, if I find out what the decision is about grids I'll put it in
    here.
    
    judy
    
    

    One more thing, NH NOW is buying an ad in the NH Weekly section of the
    Boston Globe to be run on November 12.  People can sign up to indicate 
    that they are pro-choice.
    
    If you are interested in signing up for this, the deadline is November
    3.  We do ask for a donation.  If you want the form, send me mail and
    I'll get it to you.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Judy

    I'll be there with the -wn- delegation.  Post the
    instructions on how to meet and I'll find us.
    
    I'm bussing from Worcester.  I have the forms if anyone 
    else wants to order Worcester NOW tickets.  They would like 
    to receive the form by November 3.
    
    Pat

    
    I'm three names short of 20 for the delegation registration.  Those
    of you who haven't sent me mail and want to be counted as members
    of Women of Note, please send me mail with as much of the following
    information as you feel comfortable divulging: Name, (home) address,
    and phone.
    
    Thanks,
    
    CQ

    The banner will be located at the Reflecting Pool, either on the side
    nearest the Lincoln Memorial or, if the squash is too great (as Bonnie
    expects it will be), then on the opposite side from the Memorial.  In
    any event, if you go around the Pool, you will definitely find it and
    us!  We'll try to get there early, which should be easier as our hotel
    (the one Robin booked rooms at, thoughtful woman that she is; see her
    earlier response in this string if you want to join us) will be within
    walking distance.
    
    Special nametags will be made for everyone who appears on Christine's
    delegation list or who sends me mail BEFORE NEXT TUESDAY.  Please
    include (a) nickname (b) relationship to you (friend, spouse, daughter,
    etc) if for someone else and (c) node::account.  The nametags will be
    with the banner.
    
    As with our other events, the banner will have ribbons to be signed by
    all of us.  PLEASE only use the stubby black pens that will be attached
    to the banner:  they're indelible, but the blue ones that some of us
    used in April aren't and nothing I've tried (including varnish) seems
    to be able to keep the marks from running, smearing, and becoming
    illegible.
    
    						=maggie

    
    Thank you Maggie (and whoever else was involved) for making a decision
    on where we would meet!
    
    See you all there!

    If anyone hasn't booked accommodations in DC, Robin still has ONE room
    left @ $72+tax+$7 parking if you come by car.   It's very near the
    rally site, which is an added advantage.
    
    Most rooms can support more than 2 people (in April we stuffed 5 people
    into one, I slept on the floor in my sleeping bag, very easy on the
    budget) so if you're tight for money, check around with others who are
    going...splitting an $80 room bill six ways rather than two makes it
    nearly painless. 
    
    						=maggie

    Carla, in .0 you said that NOW were expecting 1M people...are they
    still, do you know?  It looks as though our contingent will be smaller
    than last time, so I wonder what it looks like with other groups.
    
    						=maggie

    
    Hmmm.  When I talked to someone at the DC NOW office not too long
    ago, I could've sworn she said 100,000.  I felt disappointed at
    such a small number.
    
    CQ

	I mentioned the NOW ad planned for Nov 12 to my boyfriend, and he
	commented that a great fundraiser would be to have T-shirts made 
	up expressing support for the marchers (oops, mobilizers?).  I
	would certainly buy one, and wear it on that day (among others :-).

	Does anybody have any idea if such a thing is feasible?  It's 
	probably too late this time, but maybe for the next rally...

	Beverly

Good idea Beverly! And buttons, and....

Also, I think _this_ time there are 'official' mobiliziations in other places
on the same day. As the lazy slug I am, I would certainly head for the nearest.
I wonder what the nation-wide total is?
	Mez

    
    	=maggie, .0's last name is similar to mine but it's not me.
    	(Thought for a moment I was having severe memory lapses ...
    	which can never be entirely ruled out!)
    
    	Carla
    

                    
    
    	I am looking for cheap rides/accomodations for the march for
    	Susan (spouse) and myself.  We're totally broke, but really
    	want to go because we used this right this summer (long story
        made short here) and want to
    	keep it available for those who might need it in future.
    
    	Is anybody driving?  We can help split gas.  Has anybody got
    	any word on floors we could flop on?
        
        If we can't get there, we really want to do something to support
    	those who go.  Any suggestions?
    	
    	Michael McGovern
    	DTN 297-6905    
    

    RE: 77
    
    Where do you live?
    
    Suzanne

    <--(.76)
    
    [blush] sorry about that, Carla.  I started the note, thought "hmmm was
    it really Carla who wrote that, doesn't sound right", checked back and
    saw that it was Judy, not you ...and promptly typed your name again
    anyway!  
    
    						=maggie

    re .77 and anyone who needs an inexpensive accomodation:
    
    If you're a member of AYH (American Youth Hostels),
    Washington, DC has one at 11th and K streets for (I think)
    $13 a night per person.  It's bare bones accomodations -
    bunk rooms, but if you really need inexpensive, it's there.
    
    However, I suggest you call them *immediately* because they
    may already be booked up for the weekends.
    

    Okay, several people sent me corrections to the list, and I think
    I've incorporated them all.  Would you please check one last time
    and make sure I've got you and yours in the form you want to see...
    and send me mail instanter if not?
    
    They go to the printer at noon (2.45 from now)
    
November 1989 Rally in Washington DC

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	Mez

    Since Sir Reginald Ascii managed to get _his_ collating sequence
    accepted by Babbige rather than the more sensible one Lady Ada Lovelace
    designed.
    
    You should know that, Mez.
    
    						=maggie 

            re: .82 (Mez)       -< searching for hidden messages :-) >-

            > Since when is an '=' alphabetically before 'A'?

            Nerds must think alike :-).  That was my first thought too.

            Second thought was that the little nerd must have meant
            alphabetical-ascii (impressive for a manager-type, huh? :-)

            Don't feel bad, Mez, she misspelled Charles (I think it was
            Charles) Babbage's last name in .83 :-P !!!
                                                         nancy b.

    Hey, so sue DECspell!  ;')

    Here's a postscript program to make signs for people who are
    driving down and want to advertise their pro-choice commitment.  one
    sign is "Honk if you're pro-choice" and the other (you get both) is
    "Pro-Choice Rally Lincoln Memorial Washington DC noon Sunday 12 Nov"
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    I've just found that I will be going this weekend - and we have
    one or two spaces left in the car, if anyone wants to join us -
    come on, do something impulsive in a good cause.  We will be leaving
    sometime on Saturday, not sure of the details yet.  We *may* have
    a place to crash, but don't know for certain yet, if not we'll 
    probably find a place to share around Baltimore, and drive in Sunday
    morning.  The car will be starting from Merrimack, NH, with a pick-
    up in Littleton, Ma (me).  Call me if you are interested...
    
          Linda Lust   DTN: 272-7245       Home: (508)486-8568

    See you all down there!  
    
    I won't have a name tag :-( but will write my own!
    
    Pam

    The Women of Note banner is flying proudly in the sunshine in D.C.
    C-Span just high-lighted it.  You all look wonderful.
    Now lets "turn up the heat around the nation."
    
    	Judy
    
    

    For those who wanted to go, but couldn't, here are a few of the more
    original or amusing slogans (there were others that were more
    blunt/shocking, but I won't enter them here):
    
    "Not every sperm deserves a name!"
    "U.S. out of my uterus"
    "Contraception not contra aid"
    "BOONE, N.C.:  Good ol' boy for CHOICE"
    "Don't count my eggs before they're hatched"
    "Free Barbara Bush"  (I like it but nobody else seems to think it's
    				funny!)
    and ... my favorite ...
    "No, Mr. Quayle, ROE vs. WADE is not two ways to cross the Potomac"
    
    
    Seriously, though, folks, it was a peaceable, orderly gathering of
    people.  A few chants, some songs, a lot of posters, and a LOT of short
    speeches.  I got there around 11:15 and stayed until 2:30 -- I'd
    estimate I heard about 20 speakers and 4 singers in two hours!  I was
    on the Mall until 4:00-4:30, and saw that there was a march at the end.
    
    All ages were represented (one slogan said "Republican Grandmother for
    Choice"; one tot wore "A Choice").  Lots of college students, some high
    school students.  Lots of people from California who roared every time
    their state was mentioned!  Both men and women were there.  Speakers
    were _mostly_ women.
    
    Interestingly enough, I didn't see ANY counter-demonstration at the
    rally itself.  Did anyone else?  Did anyone watching TV coverage see
    any?  What happened Saturday?
    
    Pam
    
    P.S.  It was really nice to meet people from the notesfile and put
    faces to names!

    
    Another good one I saw:
    
    "Get your rosaries outta my ovaries."
    
    And for Nancy b:
    
    "Gun owners for choice: Bear arms, not unwanted children."
    
    Some people from Wisconsin were spotted with a sign reading:
    "Cheeseheads for Choice".  That got my funny spot going.
    
    I heard there was a counter-demo over by the ellipse, but neither
    did I see or hear any counter-demos.

    re:.90
    
    I think that was "Dan Quayle thinks Roe vs. Wade is a debate on
    how to cross the Potomac".
    
    I also liked "Dan Quayle's mother didn't have a choice".
    
    --- jerry

    Mez & I had the "HONK if you're PRO CHOICE" sign on her car and
    collected quite a few enthusiastic honks both going down and coming
    back.  We also got a few serious glares, frowns, and thumbs-downs.  But
    the most nervous-making was when we were passing thru Hartford on the
    way back and suddenly heard right behind us the pull-over-and-stop
    *woop* of a cop's siren. With hearts in mouths we swiveled our heads
    around to find a young cop in an unmarked car grinning and giving us
    the we-shall-overcome clenched fist.
    
    It was really a swell rally.  Our community fielded about 40 people and
    most of us stuck around for the final group picture with the banner
    (well, pictureS really...I musta had 6 cameras draped around my neck at
    one point) and then went back to the hotel for a beer and unwind.
    
    Speaking of pictures, one of the funniest things for me was to see how
    many random people came up just to stand in front of our banner and
    have somebody take their picture!  Kinda neat, albeit weird.
    
    						=maggie 
                                        

    Some of my favorite banners:
    
    From Santa Cruz, epicenter of the earthquake:
    
    	The earth may tremble
    	We shall not be moved
    	Santa Cruz County
    	Still stands for Choice.
    
    In the MIT delegation:
    	Nerds for choice
    
    There were many more student delegations than in 
    April.  I saw banners and shirts from MIT, Tufts, 
    Tufts Medical School, Wheaton College, Wellesley, 
    Smith, Berkeley College of Music, Yale, SUNY Albany, 
    Clark University, Holy Cross, Vassar, Mount Holyoke, 
    Bennington, Harvard Divinity School,  and many others
    that I can't remember at this instant.  I spoke with
    students who had held fund-raisers to pay for the 
    busses.  It's good to know that the next generation
    is aware and mobilizing with us.
     
    Pat
     

    
    from seattle:
    
    WOMEN'S RIGHTS ARE WHAT WE'LL GAIN
    THAT'S WHY WE'RE MARCHING IN THE RAIN
    

>    April.  I saw banners and shirts from MIT, Tufts, 
>    [...] and many others that I can't remember at this instant.  I spoke with
>    students who had held fund-raisers to pay for the 
>    busses.  It's good to know that the next generation
>    is aware and mobilizing with us.

*sigh*  I'll bet RPI wasn't among them.

As much as I loved RPI, one of my major disappointments with the school
was its combination of apathy and conservatism.  I just know that they
would never get a delegation down there, let alone get enough money through
fund-raisers to fund it!  I was so looking foward to being in the heart
of America's socially concious and activeyouth, but, at least in Troy, NY,
the student activism of the 60's in long gone.  It is good to see that 
at *some* schools at least *some* people are willing to stand up for something,
still.

(We had an abortion rally once to which about 20 people showed up.  We
had an apartheid demonstration that got about 100 - many from neighboring
schools.  We had a Take Back the Night rally to which about 50 people
showed up.  This out of a school of 5000.)

D!

    Some more signs
    
    "I would die for my mothers right to abortion."
    
    "3 Generations for pro-choice!"  Grandmother, mother and daughter.
    
    The cutest 10 year olds were holding signs
    
    "Future Feminist - here by Choice"
    
    "Rights are given to fetuses until they are born female."
    
    "Wombs of the world unite for rights."
    
    "Bush...stay out of mine."
    
    "Get the pentagon out of my panties."

    
    Other schools I saw represented in addition to the ones Pat mentioned:

    Bowdoin, SUNY Binghamton, SUNY Plattsburgh, UC Berkeley (*big* banner),
    University of Minnesota, Wesleyan, and UNH.  It seemed like a big
    percentage of the delegations were from colleges.
    

    My favorite was up by the Washington monument - seen as we were
    leaving...
    
          Look at this day - God must be Pro-Choice!
    
    
    And it was gorgeous
    
    Linda

    Has anyone mentioned the nouveau-monument on the grounds of the
    Washington Monument?  It stood about 12' high, 18' across, and 6'
    deep, looked like marble, and was engraved with a phrase which I
    can't for the life of me recall...something like this:
    
                         DEDICATED TO THE WOMEN 
                          WHO LOST THEIR LIVES 
                          IN ILLEGAL ABORTIONS
    
    It had six photos and life-stories of women who had died, with flowers.
    
    We won't go back (to those days).
    
    DougO

    It was modeled after the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Arlington, and
    was so exact I had a lot of difficulty figuring out if it was actually
    made out of marble or not.  It could have been a permanent monument...

    RE: 100
    
    I think it said:                 
    
      DEDICATED TO THE WOMEN
       WHO LOST THEIR LIVES
       IN ILLEGAL ABORTIONS
    BECAUSE THEY HAD NO CHOICE
    
    It was wood made to look like marble - quite impressive. Strewn
    with flowers and funeral wreaths, it was quite moving.

    I'm finally caught up enough from it all to spend some time here.  
    
    I've talked to a lot of people who went to both the April march and
    this rally.  Most seem to have preferred April, since they felt more
    involved by marching.  Comments??
    
    I liked this rally better, but for somewhat of a selfish reason.  I got
    to be one of the people carrying the state flag/NOW state banner.  (We
    took turns.)  It was really terrific to be so close that you could
    actually see the speakers.  I got some great pictures, or at least I
    think so...I can pick them up later today.  
    
    We also got some celebrities to sign NH NOW pennants to auction off at
    our next fund-raising auction.  We got Peter and Mary of Peter, Paul,
    and Mary to sign one.  Kay Weaver on one. Ronnie Gilbert and Pete Seger
    on another.  Molly Yard and Ellie Smeal on another.  I can't remember
    the rest.
    
    Did anyone go to Kennebunk who would like to report on that rally?
    
    And did everyone from NH see NH NOW's full page signature ad in the
    Boston Globe  NH Weekly section?  If not, I have it in my office in ZK.  
    It was so exciting to realize that we got enough people involved to
    afford a full page ad.  And we've had a good response from it with
    other people wanting to get involved too.
    
    judy

Just wanted you all to know that I *saw* you (I saw the banner) on TV
Sunday!  I was so excited I screamed!

Way to go!

       Carol

                          <** Moderator Response **>

    Now that a member of the minority faction has expressed his perception
    of the Rally, let's don't get into an argument about whether he's wrong
    or right:  let's just keep the string for memories of the experience
    (and, perhaps, comments on memories shared by others on your side of
    the issue).  
    
    Thanks.
    
    						=maggie

    re: .105 and .106
    
    .105 really belongs in string 183.  I would urge mods to move it there.
    Also, when will 183 be re-opened????
    
    Thanks,
    Nancy

183 was open ever since I got back.

	Mez

    I just deleted my note at the end of 183 which may have caused the
    confusion.
    
    Bonnie

    I don't know how Ken knows (in .105) that the people attending the
    pro-choice rally were not poor.
    
    NH NOW had about $2000 donated to help those who could not afford to
    go otherwise.  We gave that money (in varying amounts) to about 50
    people.  Do poor people wear a label or have some obvious characteristic 
    that I don't know about?
    
    I too think that .105 should be moved.  It is inflamatory and there are
    plenty of places to discuss this topic.  This note is not one of them.
    
    Judy

The discussion about moving .105 is not in processing. Judy, you might consider
putting paragraph 1 and 3 there, and leaving 2 here.
	Mez

    
    My mother is poor.  She was there with me because I paid her way.
    
    CQ

	I was thrilled to see so many young (under 40) women and men
	at the rally, I was also thrilled to see so many old (over 42)
	women and men there.  Since we were all there for a peaceful
	rally in support of women's lives, I did not expect anyone to
	tell me explicitly what I need to do to be counted.  And since
	my daughter was there with me - she is no longer a student,
	she no longer has a job, and she managed to loose most of her
	belonging over the past month and only had $20.00 in her pocket
	I guess she could be called poor - or maybe I should be for
	having to supply her with food and shelter and hand-me-down
	clothes to wear.  But then I have a good paying job at DEC
	and of course I am not poor so she couldn't be either or 
	maybe if we take an average of her income and mine (not my
	son's he is a student and doesn't count) then we both could
	be poor.

	Anyway I digress.

	I don't judge the worthliness of a cause by the "types" of
	people who show up at rally but by the behavior of those
	people when they are in groups that number more than 10 people.

	Peaceful interaction speaks louder to me than any retoric
	or harangue on action.

	BTW - I really liked Evelyn Murphy's speech.

	_peggy

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			Who was that string of women, linked
			arm and arm "Singing for our lives"
			gloriously.

    yo, Marge! should I be insulted too! mega :-)s!
    
    Bonnie

    Well, we know how old Peggy is now, don't we? :-)
    
    			Steve

			>Who was that string of women, linked
			>arm and arm "Singing for our lives"
			>gloriously.

      i suspect some not-so-local "gentle, angry people" ?

      ~robin
  
          p.s. justine, did =maggie give you back your commemorative
               name-tag yet? folks that i (or you) hadn't met before couldn't 
               figure out *who* i was without looking r e a l close(-;