Conference turris::womannotes-v2

    hi. count me in as an old-fashioned type -- i've never had those 
    experiences either (i already _know_ i look great in purple <grin>).
    however, i hear that getting a facial is a _wonderful_ treat and
    that it definitely beats doing chores.
    
    liz

    I've never had either either :-)....I would love to have my
    colors done tho, because I still have a poor sense of what
    looks good on me.
    
    Bonnie

    IMHO:
    
    Having your colours done is OK, I guess.  I went with a bunch of
    friends and was told that I looked best in Black, Red, White, and
    mossy green [there were others too, but these were my best].  This
    I already knew.  Afterward, the four of us went out and ordered
    champagne and potato skins and those cure little cheese toasts and
    any other genteel junk-food we could think of.  Then we took the
    T back out to Alewife and called it a night.  Over-all a very nice
    evening.
    
    On the ther hand, having a facial [or better still the full-body-works]
    is heavenly pampering not to be missed.  A friend of mine with more
    money than she could spend treated me to Elizabeth Arden once. 
    It was even worth not laughing at the little pink towels and the
    "life-members".
    
      Ann
    
   

    
    You oughtta try Dawn Vino::Evans for a facial. It really is quite
    a treat and sooooooooooo relaxing.

    
    AM, a satisfied customer.

    re: .4
    
    Can she do them over the network?

    --bonnie

    A friend of mine bought that book a couple of years ago about colors,
    "Color Me Beautiful" ???? or whatever it was called.  Everytime
    I went shopping with her around that time she would comment on all
    the clothes I looked at saying things like, "Oh, no, you can't wear
    that color!"  "Let's see, with your coloring, these are the only
    colors you can wear!"  Unfortunately, that type of comment makes
    me want to buy something that I'm not supposed to look good in just
    because I can't stand being told what to do.  I feel like life is
    constricting enough and I should at least be able to wear what I
    want even if I wind up looking like hell in it.
    
    As for the facial, I actually find that sort of thing boring.  If
    I had so much money I didn't know what to do with it, I might have
    one done in the hopes it would make me look young and gorgeous.
     But, since money is tight there are other things I'd rather have.
    
    I'm not trying to put down this sort of thing.  It's just my opinion.
     
    Lorna
    

    
    re: .5
    
    Bonnie, I wish!
    
    am

	 well, I had my colors done a few weeks ago...I had always
	 thought I looked good in yellow but when she did my colors
	 and explained why some where good and some were bad...I saw
	 exactly why yellow was perhaps one of the worst colors for
	 me!

         I think its okay to get your colors done...especially if you
         are in a high visibility position, where you want to look
         your best, but, if you do, *have them explain* why these
         colors are for you or not for you...so that you can go into a
         store without carrying around a huge book of "swatches" to
         compare too.  I can now go in and pick out something that
         "really" looks good on me.... 

	 kathy

	 (Have you ever had someone tell you that you look tired or
	 pale when you are feeling fine?  Wrong colors...)

    A good color analysis will take into account your personal
    preferences.  There are thousands of shades of color out there,
    not to mention prints and plaids and stripes and tweeds, so it's
    usually pretty easy to find colors that you like that like you,
    too.  
    
    Often you can continue to wear a favorite color if, for example,
    you use it as an accent color, tone it down with a different
    color, or keep it away from your face. 
    
    --bonnie

    I have never had a facial, but I did treat myself to a pedicure
    the day before we got married.  I wasn't sure what to expect, but
    it was *wonderful*.  It lasted about two hours.  It spanned lunch,
    so the operator left my feet soaking in one of those vibrator baths
    and went out for a sandwich for me, which I ate while she massaged
    my feet endlessly.  I know, I know, I always thought "What can be
    so great about getting your toenails polished?"  But believe me
    it was totally relaxing; I was so mellow when I left there I could
    hardly walk!
    
    I don't usually treat myself to such luxuries, and so I've never
    had one before or since -- but it was worth every penny!
    
    							Pat

    I've never had the colors done, but my sister treated me to a facial
    once at a salon and I must agree, it was divine!  Sooooo relaxing,
    and my skin felt wonderful afterward.  If I had the bucks to do
    it again, I would in a minute.
    
    Barb

    	I think this conference has just enlightened me to what I'm
    going to give my wife for Christmas. "The Works".
    
    	So I won't be shocked when I go out to purchase a certificate,
    can some one fill in the prices of a facial, a full body whatever,
    a pedicure??
    
    	Also, please excuse my ignorance, but what happens at a facial,
    or a full body, that is so relaxing etc???
    
    Thanks for the ideas and the info.
    
    Ken

    I never had a facial, but I had my colours done.  1st the bad news:
    I love earth tones (browns, rust) and they are not mine.  But now
    that I think of it, all of the worst pictures of me are of me in
    earth-tones.  Now for the good news:  purple IS my colour!  And blue!
    And yellow ISN'T!  Now THAT made me very happy!
    
    K.C.

    These little luxuries--facials, having your colors done, manicures,
    pedicures, massages are all WONDERFUL!  It is just another way to
    be good to yourself and re-affirm that you are a terrific person
    and DESERVE this pampering.
    
    Ken (right name?), if you give even one of the above as a gift,
    she will love you for it!
    
    The most luxurious thing I ever did for myself was a total body
    massage--from my scalp to my toes.  It was the *best*.  I have never
    felt so completely relaxed, plus your skin feels great right down
    to your bones afterwards.  I wish I could get one every week!  However,
    I am very fortunate to have married a man who "does feet", and is
    that great.  I think I'd take a foot massage over even a hot fudge
    sundae...sigh....
    
    Jane

    RE: .14
    
    Massage isn't a "luxury". It is a good part of a health-care program.
    The unfortunate perception of massage therapy as a luxury (I think)
    causes many people to only have massage when they have "mad money"
    and feel they can pamper themselves. Which doesn't begin to deal
    with those who don't feel they deserve to be pampered, and so never
    have massage.
    
    Besides keeping the musculature in tone, massage speeds recovery
    from over-exertion and injury, and can help folks with back problems
    to keep the problem under control (along with good chiropractic
    care, osteopathic care, etc.)
    
    Every cell in the body depends on the blood circulation for
    nourishment. Massage increases circulation, and benefits all the
    muscles and all the organs, as well as bone and other connective
    tissue.
    
    Please don't view it as a luxury, to be dabbled in only ocassionally.
    It's a real method of maintaining health.
    
    --DE
    

I'm a massage therapist - graduate of Bancroft School of Massage, in WOrcester.


Massage increases circulation and so moves nutrients to the muscles, organs,
etc., while it moves toxins AWAY from those areas. It helps to relax by
releasing those toxins, bringing the nutrition, encouraging the muscle
fibers to straighten and relax, and providing a "time out" space in
which one needs to do nothing, and no expectations are placed on the person.
There's also a theory that there are some endorphins released during massage,
which also contributes to the relaxation. 

Over the long term, massage helps re-educate the person to understand what
a relaxed state feels like - people often don't realize that their muscles
have become chronically tight in certain areas, for example. They simply
don't feel the tightness as abnormal anymore. As they learn to feel what
a relaxed, and not (literally) "up-tight" body feels like, they can sense
the tightness as it happens and take steps to become relaxed and reduce
the stress.


YOu should expect to pay anywhere from $25-75 for a full-body massage,
and about the same for the type of facial I described. (A beauty-parlor
facial done by a non-therapist, I can't speak for, although there are
massage therapists who work in beauty parlors.

Be sure to ask the therapist if they are an AMTA (American MAssage Therapy
Association) member, a graduate of an AMTA-approved school, or licensed
in Mass. Any one of those criteria should ensure your getting a good therapist.

In Eastern Mass I can recommend some good therapists,and of course, there's me.

IF anyone has more questions, I'd be glad to answer them via mail.

--DE

    RE: colors
    
    I "had" mine done, and I've been glad. While I always knew that
    tans made me look like I ought to be in a pine box, I never really
    knew what looked good on me. I turned out to be a "summer", so I
    should wear pastels, and many of the colors that were suggested
    I had never worn before.
    
    I was always taught that fat ladies should wear navy blue, black,
    and brown. None of which are "my" colors. Now I wear lots of pinks,
    light greens, rose colors, and I get lots more compliments even
    though the "wear navy and vertical stripes" people would say I look
    fatter. Humph.
    
    I'm glad I had it done, even tho it seems like such a Yuppy thing
    to do, and I almost hate to admit having done it!
    
    --DE
    

    
    
    I have only had one facial, and it was a disaster, I was allergic
    to what ever they used and I swelled up and broke out in a rash.
    
    My colors, I have had done. Most people don't understand what it's
    all about.  It is not to dictate to you what you should wear, I
    is to help you wear the colors and shades of colors that are the
    most complementary.  In most cases there is a full complement of
    colors for every one, the exceptions are black and white.  Take
    red for instance, There are true reds, orangey reds and blue reds.
    One  is going to look better on you than the other.
    Yellow is one of the most difficult colors to wear, most skin tones
    will take on the color and it isn't flattering. This is also true
    of some greens.   Some times even when you ger the sample swatches
    of "your" colors, there are colors in there that are not flattering
    to you.  
    
    I am a winter, we are supposed to wear the bright true colors with
    some pastels, black and white. I mostly wear red red, silver grey,
    charcoal grey, black, white, and this year purple ( ok! Bonnie?)
    In the summer I throw in a little pastel yellow.  My daughter is
    a fall, which is very unusual for blacks, but she has green/hazel
    eyes and dark auburn hair which plays stronger than her skin tones.
    She looks great in olive, tan, maroon, and black and white. 
    
    As I have stated in the past, I work part time in a department store
    and I have had many many customers come back to me to let me know
    how many complements they got on an outfit that I convinced them
    to buy because of the color . Most times it is the first time they
    have worn that color or shade. Also if the color is real uncomplemtary
    I tactfully tell them that also. 
    
    Lorna, don't look at this process as another mandate, but as a "guide"
    to help us to look better.  If you like blue, wear blue, but why
    not wear a shade that plays up your positive attributes.
    

    re: .6  
    
    I too bought the book "Color me beautiful, it not only goes into
    clothes, but covers shades of make up that flatter you.  I just
    read through the different chapters and adapted what they had to
    say about my coloring ot my own needs.  I just didn't go out and
    buy all my new colors, but when I did shop I started to replace
    things one at a time of colors that weren't so hot for me to one
    that were.  I liked it and it did not cost me an arm and a leg.
    
    As for massages, facials, pedicurse, they all sound terrific and
    they can certainly be an ego boost.  I definitely try and treat
    myself to a facial every so often, or even if it is just getting
    my eyebrows waxed....makes you feel special.......maybe I am due
    for one now, guess I'll get the telephone book out...
    
    
    
    TammyG

    RE: allergies to products
    
    Herbal products are usually non-allergenic. I do a facial with
    herbal products and haven't had clients with problems - neither
    has my instructor, who does Facial Rejuvenation work almost
    exclusively.
    
    Facial Rejuvenation is a (trademarked?) process, created by a woman
    who lives in Mass. I employ some of the techniques, but am not
    trained in the entire process. If you have a particular interest
    in facial work, and you come across a practitioner of Facial
    Rejuvenation, try it - it's really wonderful.
    
    If you ever discover an allergy to some product, be sure to remember
    what it was, and if possible narrow down the ingredient. Then,
    never forget what it was, and always check with the practitioner
    to see if they use the product or the ingredient.
    
    --DE
    

    I've never had a facial or had my colors done.  Other people who
    have gone tell me I'm a autum and I'm not real crazy about those
    colors.  They must be right though because more than one person
    had mentioned it.  
    
    I'd love to have a facial.  I was wondering, do facials help with
    those little blemishes you get on your face.  I have nice smooth
    "German" skin and have always gotten complements on my skin but
    I can see the tiny bumps myself.  
    
    I had a message once.  It cost me $35. about a year and a half ago.
    I was heaven.  When my face was sticking through that little hole
    in the table you lay on, I really did fall asleep.  
    
    For that man that wants to treat his wife, Bless you.....
    
    Anna
    

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    I do color analysis mostly for cosmetics, but there is alot of
    truth to the right colors making you look your best.  This
    whole feild has been such a big hit that most of my evenings
    and weekends are taken up with doing them for my customers.
    
    I went to have mine done about 2 years ago and felt totally
    stupid paying $50.00 for what I thought I should have known
    since I began to dress myself, but I am very glad that I did
    make the investment.  I personally do not believe in paying
    that amount of money for someone to tell me I look like a
    scarecrow in white or pastel pink, but there are ways of having
    it done without paying one cent!!! 
    
    I figure that if I can save my pennies between now and 
    Christmas, I will give myself the gift of a total massage
    and facial.  What a way to end the year!  Does anyone know 
    of a good massage therapist in the Fitchburg/Leominster
    area?  I would love to take an evening off to treat myself
    to such luxury!
    
    Color yourselves Beautiful,
    
    Pat Plette
    

    I get my eyebrows and eyelashes tinted every so often, and I love
    the the treatment I get. It's very relaxing.  The only problem is
    that the dye always gets in my eyes and I can't open my eyes right
    away.  So, the last 5 minutes are a bummer, but it's worth it.

    I used to have my eyelashes tinted every 3-4 weeks for over a year
    and NEVER had any of the solution get in my eyes.  I may have been
    extremely lucky, but i don't think so.  I was the first "live" customer
    most of the beauticians worked on.  At least the first paying one
    :)   :)  
    
    I'd question the skill of anyone working on my eyes and getting
    dye's in them.
    
    
    Why did I do this...vanity of course!   I have wonderfull long,
    long eyelashes, that just happen to be blond...(another word for
    invisable)  so I either dyed them, or wore mascara that always streaked
    my glasses.  
    
    
    I'd like to second the request for any reccomendations for a good
    full body massage in the leominster/fitchburg area.  Any out there?

     I can't bear anyone touching my feet, and the thought of pedicures
    makes me squirm!!  Am I alone?
    
    Helen

	 Pedicures, foot massages, etc. are FANTASTIC!  I don't know
	 if anyone out there has ever heard of Reflexology, but it is
	 about pressure points on the feet that correspond to other
	 parts of the body...my absolute favorite way to relax is a
	 foot massage...it relaxes the body like you would not
	 believe... follow it by a pedicure and you are all set!  :-)

	 sounds so good, I may make myself an appointment right now!

	 keg

    
    I've never had a facial but, I hear they are **WONDERFUL**!  Once,
    I had a full body massage and felt too relaxed to even move off
    the table! 
    
    Yeah, sure!  It's worth burning up a Sat. morning.
    
    Hey, are the rumors true?  Can D. E. do a massage over the
    E-net?!   :-)
    
    OOOH! LA! LA!
        
    
    An occasional reader/writer,
    
    Mary
    

    I'd go for it!  A facial is marvelous and if I had the money, I'd
    go once a week.  It is relaxing and afterward your skin looks
    and feels great (they do your neck and shoulders too).  If possible,
    have a full body massage as well -- can't go wrong!  Pamper yourself.

    RE: massage over the E-net
    
    You mean if I could do that, I'd get *rich*?!?!?
    
    RE: More about massage (bored yet?)
    
    There is evidence to show that massage increases the number of
    T-cells in the body. T-cells are one kind of specialized cell
    that is part of the immune system, and help in preventing
    the development of disease.
    
    --DE
    
    
    

    Re : 25
    
    I agree ! The thought of someone touching my feet grosses me out.
    
    Personally, I won't try a facial because I am alergic to most of
    the known universe, however, I gave my mother a gift certificate
    for a facial at Elithabeth Grady a few years ago and she loved it. 
    As I recall, it wasn't too expensive either. (They did, however snag 
    her afterwards and convinced her to buy about $70.00 worth of 
    cosmetics that have not been touched since)
    

    
<    I agree ! The thought of someone touching my feet grosses me out.
    

       Now there could be a cosmic reason for this. A friend of mine
       hates having her neck and shoulders massaged (something I'll
       NEVER understand) and someone told her that was because she had
       been beheaded in a former life. So, maybe you've formerly been
       defooted. :*) liesl    

    re .31
    
    or defeeted?
    
    
    ugh!

    ....or as per Stephen King's "Misery".......HOBBLED
    
    pat 

             
    or 
    
    "...for the agony of thee feet" 
    
    yuk yuk !

    re:  33  HOBBLED!  Yuck, ewwwwwww, grose!!!
    
    
    I had my colors done by my aunt.  (nice gift!) 
    Another good thing about having them done, is to have a
    more coordinated wardrobe.  More separates can be worn
    together and look great!  I was always buying something
    so different, it wouldn't match anything else.
    
    Plus I know I look good in "my colors".  Peace of mind.
    
    color me summer, too!
    
    theresa.

    My sister started art school in denver recently.  she is taking
    a color theory class and one of the things they learn is that color
    stuff as .-1.  I am color blind and we have discussed with her teacher
    about making me a color wheel that will show me what colors go together
    and what is an obvious clash.  Being one of maybe 3 officially color
    blind women in the world, I don't get much help on what matches
    and what doesn't.  I have had people tell me I "really shouldn't
    wear those colors together" when it is too late to do anything about
    it.  also I design sweaters but haven't done much with different
    colors cause I am always scared of what I would end up putting
    together. so this will be a real treat!  the teacher told my sister
    that the color wheel is actually quite easy to put together.  I'll
    let ya'll know.
    
    vivian

    
    RE.36
    
    I don't understand how a color wheel would help a color blind person.
    Isn't color blindness the inability to determine certain colors?
    For instance I went to school with a boy who was blue/green color
    blind, I understood that he could not see those two colors but instead
    saw them as varing shades of brown.

    I am severely color-blind, in the color blindness test, I can see
    3 of the 16 cards.  however, the colors I see are not what you see.
    I cannot tell shades, values and tones.  Nothing clashes.  the color
    wheel would then have colors with complimentory or non-clashing
    colors there.  this would then enable me to where say red, (or as
    I see red) with another color (as I see it) and not worry about
    putting nausous visions together.  I love very vibrant colors but
    am nervous about what colors to wear with what colors. the color
    wheel would then let me wear vibrant colors and not clash.
    Did I explain that right?   in high school, my art teacher
    always was amazed at my unusual use of color, he told me I was soooo
    bold to put the combinations together that I did. I didn't have
    the heart to tell him that what I see is not what he saw and I thought
    I was putting all these complimentary colors together!  
    
    vivian

    The most girl type fun I had was on a Sunday afternoon at my
    sister-in-laws house having my colors done, complete with facial,
    and skin care as well as make-up. There is a company out of Colorado
    or Texas (someplace down there) called BEAUTY CONTROL.  They have
    a whole variety of Beauty consulting available. I was very impressed,
    because it DID look good, it wasn't major expensive, and they weren't
    pushy, plus, it was designed to everyones needs, not just what they
    thought it should be.
    
    GO FOR IT!!  It does make a difference when it comes to color, it
    is really obvious on most people I have seen who have had it done.
    I had 3 parties after the one I went to.  It was amazing, how good
    the ladies looked with proper color, and make-up applied with the
    right hand.  They teach you everything you need to know, we even
    had a REDO party to talk about new tips, colors, etc.
    
    Good skin care is never a mistake!

    
    re: .39
    
    > There is a company out of Colorado or Texas (someplace down there)
    
    Excuse me? ;^)   COLORADO is "someplace down there?"  So, is 
    Minnesota "out east somewhere?"  :^) :^) ;^) :^)
    
    
    Sharon (one of the few COLORADO natives who has learned to like
            Texans . . . )
    
    
    

    Minnesota is in the northern Midwest area.....so Colorado and Texas
    ARE down there somewhere.  Don't take it personal, its just a saying.