Conference turris::womannotes-v2

    Credit for this topic goes to Jym Dyer who is no longer at Dec.
    

        Andy  Fraser,  from Kyle  of  Lochalsh  in  Wester  Ross-shire,
        Scotland and here in the  U.S.   via various European countries
        and the Middle East which has  given  me the chance to meet and
        get to know the people of many differing societies.
        
        I'm  an  Acoustics  engineer in the Mill with a  background  in
        electronics.   I've  followed  WOMANNOTES  since  it  was first
        announced and tend to read x 99.8%/write x 0.2%.
        
        Cheers,
        
        Andy.

 What follows is a slightly edited version of my bio from Version 1.


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GOJIRA::PHILPOTT "Ian F. ('The Colonel') Philpott"   71 lines  22-MAR-1987 12:01
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 Having been here [New Hampshire] for a while I have decided to re-post my
 intro (below) and expand a little.

 Firstly the cultural thing: I am not American, I have no idea of the stresses
 and life patterns created by growing up in America in the latter half of the
 20th Century. Rather I grew up in Britain. During my early formative years I
 spent my time either with my maternal grandparents (who ran a Public House in
 Liverpool's dockland - it was here I went to school) and my paternal
 grandparents (who had a farm in Scotland).

 My "language of the hearth" is Erse [Irish Gaelic], and thanks to the d**ned
 English school system I have lost it (you'd lose it too if you got caned for
 breaking into Erse in an argument). The main heritage is an awkward style and
 a difficulty in presenting my views clearly in written form unless I go over
 it time and time again which destroys spontaneity.

 It has also given me the pedantry over words that most people develop in a
 foreign language (that one has gotten me a few flames since I found this
 conference :-)

 During early schooling I attended a boarding school (what in England is
 called a prep school - a totally different meaning to that in America of
 course). After I reached the grand old age of 8 I went to live with my
 parents (I was now considered old enough to travel, my Father being regular
 army seconded to the Diplomatic Service). Over the next few years I lived in
 (and went to school in) Israel, West Germany, Libya, Algeria, Italy, Greece,
 Japan and  America (going to school in Washington DC was fun - I even got to
 play American  grid-iron football). This has left me with a cosmopolitan
 attitude, a hatred  of xenophobic attitudes, and a difficulty in
 understanding parochial attitudes. *and* a desire to live and work in
 America.

 I have always loved travel and have now been in all 48 of the continental US
 states.

 Hobbies: I collect books, records and guns. (I also hate the idea of "trophy"
 hunting - I am strictly a target shooter.) In the past I have been "into" a
 number of active sports (Tae Kwon jitsu, Ninjitsu, and Karate, plus a few
 more exotic ones on the physical level - motor racing and rally driving as
 motor sports, and of course at school I played Rugby and Cricket)

 Professionally, I've  been  a teacher, professional photographer, army
 officer, and a  database design consultant in my time... I'm now a Principal
 Maintainability Engineer in CSSE/BSG/SwEET based in Spit Brook Road, Nashua,
 NH. I am the "layered product liaison officer" for the DECwindows program.

 Why did I ramble on? because I wanted to say that I am a complex mixture of
 all the things my upbringing, heritage and cultural background make me.

 If I offend, it may be because I didn't understand, or that I didn't express
 myself correctly. Feel free to tell me why I erred (preferably by mail -
 educating Ian is boring to most of the readership, I think).

 ciao,

 Incidentally though I *was* a Lieutenant Colonel my "the colonel" nickname
 dates back to my teenage days, and has to do with a role I played in a "Wild
 West Show".

   =========================================================================

 Since the above was written I got married: I will from time to time enter
 notes for my wife, designated by the signature "/. Ann .\" - I'll put a short
 bio in the women's intro for her.

 /. Ian .\

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TLE::FAIMAN "Neil Faiman"                            15 lines  12-MAY-1986 11:14
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    I'm a software engineer with the Technical Languages and
    Environments group at Spitbrook.
    
    I'm interested in this conference because (like Dave Butenhof)
    I have a wife who is a woman, and a daughter who some day will
    be one
    
    	[aside... anyone want to start a note on gender stereotypes 
    	in childraising?]
        
    and because I believe that "women's" issues overlap strongly
    with other issues of personal freedom.  I expect to be primarily
    a reader rather than a writer in this file.
    
    	-Neil
    
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    
    ... and because I've learned some things from reading here that
    I didn't expect to learn when I started ...
    
    	-Neil (1988)

    Currently still in read-mode, I am encouraged by the sense and 
    support this able community has demonstrated.  May it long continue!
    
    I'm a single man in my late 20s.  At present, no plans to father
    any children, I'm still looking for my SO.  My parents split up
    while I was in high school, and while the years following that
    were difficult, I'm finally coming around to think that we're all
    better off.  My father and I have agreed to disagree on that one.
    
    I've just joined Digital as a software specialist in California.
    
    DougO

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WCSM::PURMAL "Big is more than small is less"        19 lines  18-JUN-1987 18:57
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    Hello,
    
    My name is Tony Purmal and I'm one of the small number of west coast
    DEC employees.  I am a software engineer for the Software Services
    Engineering/Pacific Systems Group located in Mountain View, CA.
    
    I'm married to Lesely, a unique and wonderful woman.  We have an
    almost two year old son named Colin who is also unique and wonderful.
    
    I am in this conference to listen and learn, and when I feel as
    if I have anything pertinent to add I'll do so.  I have read about
    half of the base notes in the conference and at least 25% of the
    replies so far.  I am going to get the unseen notes down to zero
    before you see any replies from me though.  I have been informed,
    saddened, appaled, amazed, encouraged, puzzled, and angered by the
    notes that I've read so far, but I feel that the notes have been
    worth my time.
    
    ASP

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    Update 6/9/88
    
    Things haven't changed that much for me, but things around me are
    growing at an astounding pace.  There are many more DEC personnel
    and facilities out here, and our group is growing too.  We are
    "living" in the Cupertino building until our new building in Mountain
    View is completed in August (we hope).  I hope to continue to read
    and learn and sometimes write in this conference.
    
    ASP

    Well, I never introduced myself in the previous version, but what
    the hey.
    
    I'm Jerry Boyajian, currently Third Shift Supervisor in F&A/DIS
    (or whatever they're calling it this week) Operations in Acton
    (Nagog). Since the bulk of my job is to recover from the mess
    when things go wrong, I get to spend a fair amount of time in
    Notes.
    
    Why do I read this conference? Well, I was pointed here by someone
    who thought I might be interested in a particular discussion, and
    I ended up staying when I found a number of interesting topics.
    Mostly, I'm interested in "what makes women tick", to endeavor
    to understand their point of view. To that end, I tend to mostly
    just read, though I'm not above pontificating when the spirit
    moves me.
    
    My interests include reading and collecting books (mostly science
    fiction) and comics, watching movies, listening to music, and
    playing guitar. I'm also a bibliographer of semi-professional
    standing. Last, but not least, I love to drive. I've been known
    to drive (with one other person switching off on the driving)
    from Boston to Minneapolis and back again just to attend a party.
    My personal best for non-stop (except for pit stops, of course)
    driving is 26-1/2 hours. My latest educational project (into which
    I'm not putting near as much effort as I should) is to learn to
    read Japanese.
    
    To paraphrase writer Anne McCaffrey, "I have brown hair and brown
    eyes; the rest is subject to change without notice."
    
    --- jerry

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FDCV03::ROSS                                         24 lines  12-AUG-1987 14:22
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    Since I have been reading many of the notes in this conference,
    and lately have taken to writing in a few, I guess it's time for
    me to introduce myself, also.
    
    My name is Alan Ross. I am a Business Systems Consultant in the
    US/DIS group in PKO3. I've been with DEC for almost 9 years, live
    in Sharon. 
    
    One of the main reasons for my reading notes in this conference
    is to get more of a sense about women's feelings, both as they
    relate to men and to society in general.
    
    Because I feel women are not as afraid of opening up as are men,
    I think a more complete picture of us complicated humans -  and the
    gamut of our hopes, fears, anger and other emotions -  will be obtained
    by reading, and sometimes writing, notes in this conference.
    
    I recognize that some topics are "women only" issues. In these I'll
    try not to intrude, unless I feel I *really* have something to say,
    which can add value to the discussion. If I do seem to be an intruder
    at these times, please let me know.
    
      Alan
    
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Updated: 10 June 1988

    Not too much to update, other than I will have been at DEC almost 10 
    years (on 5 September).

    Reading back some of the comments I made in my debut intro, I didn't
    realize, then, how phrophetic a couple of my thoughts might turn
    out to be......

      Alan         

    In an effort to help you understand me, and vice versa...
    
    	My name is Mike Boutcher. I'm a four-year employee of DEC and
    am currently the US Central Area Environmental Support Engineer
    out of Chicago. I started as a field service engineer with accounts
    at the steel mills in Gary, IN and the Commonwealth Edison nuclear
    power plants, then worked my way up. Prior to Digital I spent 8
    years in the US Naval Nuclear Power field as an electrician, chemist
    and reactor plant supervisor aboard submarines, aircraft carriers
    and as an instructor at a nuclear power training unit in Idaho.
    
    	My personal life involves my loving wife Terri, our two boys,
    Chris and Aaron (2yr and 3yr old), and our two cocker spaniels,
    Gypsy and Lady. 
    
    	I'm still a conscientious objector to the FWO strings and am
    anxiously awaiting the outcome of the upcoming meetings. I really
    do enjoy relating to experiences of and about women. The female
    is so complex and interesting that I sometimes wonder what they
    need to prove. The more I read, the more I learn. The more I ask,
    the more I learn. I love to learn, teach me .......

>    I'm Bob Early, an avid notes follower, and an occasional contributer.
    
>    Currently, have been at CSS/NSG in Hudson NH for over a year now,
>    and are an injuneeer by training, but am an avid "mountain person"
>    by choice.

    Since this original posting, I've been at CSS/NSG for 3 years. But
    still hike and camp (in the mountains).
    
        
>    I also moderate PYRITE::HIKING, which is primarily for hiking and
>    camping, but notes on environmental and conservation issues are also
>    welcome.
    
    It is now LDP::HIKING, and is oriented toward Hiking and Backpacking,
    and is moderatoed (primarily) by someone else now.
    
>    For the occasional "woods wanderer" and "casual hiker" there are
>    now many notes regarding personal safety for both yourself and
>    for children, particularly in the western US.
    
>    "Kudos" to Maggie for the splendid introduction in 1.x. 
    
>    Bob
    Bob is now Bob_+_three   ;^)
     

    I've been reading =wn= since its inception, have learned a lot, and met
    some really neat people. In real life, I talk a lot and try to stir up
    trouble. In this crowd, however, it's hard to keep up with the pace and
    the level of discussion, so I'm frequently surprised to find myself
    being relatively quiet when there's an interesting discussion going on.

    Although this is womannotes, and men are in some sense guests, I've
    never felt that way. I understand that it's nice to have a "safe"
    support group (not just for women), but because I've considered myself
    an ardent feminist for a long time I've never felt like an outsider
    here. 

    During the history of =wn=, I've stopped reading for various periods of
    time. Generally, that's been because I've gotten tired of reading
    meta-discussions (discussions of how discussions will be handled). 
    I've never been able to leave completely, and I've always slogged
    through the hundreds or thousands of notes that were unseen upon my
    return.

    I've been at Digital for 7 years and 6 days now (not that I'm
    counting), and it's gone by pretty quickly. I currently work in the AI
    Technology Group, although I'm actually working with the VAX SPM group
    up in Nashua instead of being with my own group in DLB. I'm waiting for
    two unofficial job offers to become official, hopefully sometime this
    week. I could be in LKG (in NaC) or MLO (in the Human Factors group) as
    of 5 July.

    In my first introduction, I stated that I'd learned a lot about
    feminism from various women in my life. Margaret (another old womanotes
    reader) has taught me a lot about that, and about other things as well.
    We're going to be married in September after living together for 4
    years and being together for 2-1/2 years before that.

    					-- hs

    Dana Charbonneau

    WRU # 741
    
    W_N V1 # 7.80 (I think)
    
    I'm a Warehouser working in SPO, Springfield, Mass., USA
    
    Here because women* fascinate me
    See, Bonnie, I'm learning :-)

    	Hi.  I'm Doug Gordon (7.30 in =wn= V1) and the more things change
    the more they stay the same...
    
    	I'm still with ISWS, still working in TWO with MEIS, and
    considering branching out into other things.  I'm still a hopeless
    Notes addict and have been reading =wn= since Aug of 86.  I've been
    to one =wn= party and enjoyed myself and meeting some of my fellow
    noters.
    
    	I tend to read a lot more than I write.
    
    	My views and opinions have been influenced a lot by this conference
    and I would hate to see it vanish.  I hit next-unseen a lot, but
    I re-read the important topics.
    
    	Glad to be here...
    
    						--Doug

    
    Steve Mallett
    MLO3-2/T91
    223-5435
    HANDY::MALLETT
    Educational Consultant (local title: NPO Self-Paced Instruction Developer)
    New Product Operations (formerly Maynard Plant); part of 
    	Small Systems Manufacturing
    
    I've been with DEC 11 years, mostly in manufacturing Materials,
    but in real life I'm a musician.  I enjoy =wn= for pretty much
    the usual reasons - it's interesting, informative, fun, etc.  And 
    besides, as far as I'm concerned, it beats the hell out of esoteric
    software discussions.

Still hanging in there...  Still crazy after all these years...  Still a
'Devil's advocate'... 

If you want really want to read about me, try WHOAREYOU 760.0.

Jim Baranski

    
    
    Been with DEC for just under a year now and have been reading
    WOMANNOTES for about 3 months.  I work at DTE on Virginia Road in
    Concord MA as a Systems Analyst.
    
    I find the WOMMANNOTES very enlightening and very interesting. 
    It's always good to hear other slants of interest and the more we
    all better understand where we're all comming from the better off we'll
    be. The best thing I like about WOMMANNOTES is the frankness and
    the openness of its participants.   I for one have been more of
    a read only member, but hopefully in the near future I will 
    write something.

    Stephen Allen
    

    Hello past, present, and future womannoters! I've been a read-mostly
    regular since roughly the beginning, I think. Intro 7.20 in V1,
    for those who care to chase down pointers.
    
    Besides my agreeing with the concept that "the file is oriented to the
    needs and wishes of women", as =maggie so nicely put it, I'm also a
    *really* slow writer and my own worst noting critic. So, I keep pretty
    quiet. You'd think all this might cut down on my putting my foot in my
    mouth, but 'taint necessarily so :-) 
    
    I don't presume to call myself a feminist, but I'm generally in
    sympathy with feminist ideals. Besides this conference, I get a
    wealth of exposure particularly from a wonderful sister (the
    blood-related kind.) I'm fond of Women's Music, as it's called
    (as well as pretty near every other flavor.)
    
    Other interests include cars (preferably Italian and red), auto
    racing (Viva Ferrari!), and the usual variety of outdoorsy stuff.

    I work in an engineering group in Laboratory Data Products at MRO,
    and live in Westford, MA (by myself, unless ants and the odd mouse
    count as residents.)

    Chuck

    Do you really care about the rest?  

    
    David Cohen - reading this conference for a couple of months - read
    only at the moment.
    
    Work in Basingstoke UK (CSC) and have been at Digital for 5.5 years!!
    
    I'm single, with no current partner.  I've enjoyed reading so far!!!
    
    David.

    My name is Steve Lionel - I'm a Principal Software Engineer with
    the Technical Languages and Environments group at Spit Brook Road
    in Nashua, NH (ZKO).  I am also the host-co-moderator of
    the HUMAN_RELATIONS conference and a co-moderator of MENNOTES, as
    well as ten other conferences of assorted varieties.
    
    I am a single father to my 4-1/2 year old (at present) son who lives
    with me half-time, also in Nashua.
    
    I have long been interested and supportive of women's rights and
    was an early member of the first WOMANNOTES conference.  Though
    I may have disagreements with some of the policies of this conference,
    I do support its purpose and have done what I can to further its
    success.  I hope that people don't mistake concern for hostility.
    
    Although recent events have discouraged me from participating as
    much as I would like, I am going to try to at least follow the
    conference so as not to lose out entirely.  I consider many of you
    my friends, and I only wish prosperity for WOMANNOTES.
    
    				Steve

    
    NAME: David Joseph Royer II
    NICKNAME: Dave
    JOB: Instructor at BUO, PRIOR: Field Engineer in L.A. and Michigan
    
    Married the second time around to my best friend.  I am 9 years
    older than Lee Ann and we have a grand time together.
    
    I am 47, 48 in September.
    
    We have a total of 6 children mine, hers and ours.  Now all ours.
    
    I find teaching to be so much better, I wonder why I have not
    been doing this for years.  I came here in November 1987.
    
    I enjoy dogs, cats, other animals.  Especially Great Danes, Dalmations,
    in the canine field; black or white cats.  really would like tiger
    or panther.
    
    enjoy all kinds of music, and read scifi as personal name indicates.
    
    Sports,  Tigers, Pistons, Red Wings, and Lions fan.  
    
    Previously spent 12 years in the Navy where I met and married
    my first wife.
    
    Dave
    

    My name is Pat Wilson and I work for Facilities in Denver, CO (DVO).
    I've worked for DEC for 8 years.
    
    I am very happily married. Nancy and I share a house with two cats
    and two dogs.  We both like camping, hiking, hunting, and competitive
    shooting.  We are also both Wiccan.
    
    Blessed be,
    
    Pat 

    greetings:
    
    Steve Lokietz (pronounced LOW-keets) is my name and I so far have 
    read only some of the introductory material to this conference.  
    My read to write ratio will of course depend on what I find in 
    the topics.
    
    I'm single, never married, live by myself in Westchester County
    (commute to lower Manhattan where I work as a software specialist
    in presales for the banking sales people; been with DEC 1 1/2 yrs).
    
    I'm looking forward to 'listening' to what's said here, contributing
    my own thoughts and feelings as appropriate, and learning and growing
    in the process.
    
    Steve

John Wray, ex-pat British national, enjoying myself here in greater Boston
for a while. I've had this conference in my notebook for a few months now,
but so far have been in read-only mode. Since it appears that the next
WOMANNOTES party in this area is going to be held in the house where I live
(the "Home for Impoverished Digits" that David Wittenberg runs), I thought
I'd better introduce myself here, to save time then. It also might encourage
me to write something in the conference.

    I'm a dectag with time on my hands, so I read notes...
    
    I just found this file, and it looks real interesting, so if no
    one minds, I'd like to read along...
    
     /\
    /--\ndy

    Hi my name is Douglas Duverger 
    Great note file

    Ken Upton - - Sr. Safety Engineer  APO (Andover, MA.)
    Been with DEC 3+ years.
    Married 14-1/2 yrs.
    3 Children - 2 Females 13 and 9 (birthday party tonight at Chuck
    E. Cheese) and one  5-1/2 year old male.
    
    Added Womannotes today. Why? Because I like to hear from a different
    viewpoint. I was also a supervisor of 45 woman ages 18-66 five years
    ago. It was probably one of the most personally rewarding times
    of my business and personal life. I learned more about women and
    the way that they think and react in those 2 years than I could
    ever thought I would. I'm no expert by any means but some of those
    employees still call and write to this day, so I guess I must have
    impacted their lives too.
    
    Just so that I'm not misunderstood if I should reply to a note or
    six. I'm a firm believer in equality in all aspects of work and
    life. I'm not an advocate of anyone being more equal because of
    race, creed, sex, or national origin. In the event that I should
    offend that may the reason, also I tend to be somewhat direct and
    try not to make my responses warm and fuzzy.
    
    I hope that my replies will be of value and that my questions aren't
    too stupid.
    
     

    Hello,
    
    I'm 23, started at DEC about 3 weeks ago, just graduated from
    Northeastern in Boston, working in Stow.
    
    I consider myself a humanist (a title I just made up), which I 
    believe encompasses much of feminism, so I'm interested in this
    file.  
    
    Although this file is new to me, the concepts are not.  Aside from
    my own opinions that I help since I can remember, I've taken a course
    entitled:  History of Women in Modern Europe. 
    
    Thanks for putting this in!
    
    Kerry Bellerose

        Hello,

        My  name  is  Roger  Carter.  I just deleted all the stuff about
        where I work and such because I don't think it is  important. I
        would like to become more sensitive to wimmin's issues. 

        I want to ask a question, but I want to be polite to the
        readership and introduce myself first. 
        
						Thanks
        					Roger M Carter

    I've been  trying  to find my muse for this entry for a while, and
    haven't  found  it, so I'll introduce my self anyway, as I've been
    rather active of late.  If I find my muse, I'll expand this a bit.

    I'm David  Wittenberg  (Witt  to my group as we have a plethora of
    Davids  here.)  I work in Secure Systems, which is a good place to
    use my mathematical training, which greatly influences all aspects
    of  my  thinking.  Outside  of work I sail, bicycle, read, and try
    desperately to keep up my house.

    Politically, I'm  a  strong  believer in civil liberties and civil
    rights.  I'm  moderately  feminist,  thinking  that  much  of what
    feminists  are fighting for is obviously correct, but wishing that
    they  would spend less time on trivial fights in order to have the
    energy to fight the major issues.

--David

	Tom Cross
	NPO (at the Mill)
	1.5 years working for DEC - 5 years before consulting with DEC!

	I am a single parent with two kids (Sarah, 12, and Ben, 10) who
	live with me full time. I live in Millis, Ma and commute about
	45 minutes.

	I am interested in all points of view on the subject of the
	human experience.

	I am mostly a reader, but may make comments from time to time. I
	also am in MENNOTES and HUMAN_RELATIONS.

	Looking forward to learning something.

	tomc

     
    John L. McClelland
     
    I have been with DEC for three, two in customer Ed Services, one
    on the District Network Team.  Worked on PDP8s in early 70's, started
    with VAXen in '79.
     
    I have been on a journey of self discovery since '80, am still in
    process.  Some has been smooth, most pretty rough.
     
    I am a read_only noter, learning to understand the rest of the world,
    and appreciate the differences.
     
    John

    Hi, Jim Flis here.
    
    I'm here to help myself understand the others who so affect my life.
    
    I participate in the following non-work related conferences:
    
    Mennotes, Human Relations, Friends, Star Trek, Model Rocketry,
    Naturism, SF, Space, Aerospace, Parenting and Poetry.
    
    The work related ones would be too long to list.
    
    I work in Government Systems Group in Merrimack as a Project Tech.
     I have been with DEC for 11.5 years.  I have been married for 11
    years (Kathy) and have a 6 year old son (Joey) and a 3 year old
    daughter (Jennifer).
    
    I am currently read only, to become familar with the content and
    flow of this conference, before I enter into the discussion.  Shouldn't
    be long.  Quite pleased to see conferences of this type, hope to
    learn, and perhaps provide a lesson or two.
    
    TTFN
    jim
    
    

    Hi there...
    
    I'm a coop student out of Washington, D.C., working as a 
    programmer analyst at Acton (Nagog) until Christmas, 88.
    
    Why am I here?  Women fascinate me.  They're a source of never-ending
    joy/frustration/hope/anxiety....
    
    22, blonde, 6', single, and looking.  Hope what I learn here helps 
    me in my search.
    
    Bill Millios

    
    Charlie (Cal) Calcagni
    
    I'm mostly a reader, but enjoy adding a comment or two once in a
    great while.
    
    I've been with DEC for a little over two years now, and plan on
    making it a lot longer.
    
    I'm in "WHOAREYOU" 680 something.
    
    Right now I'm Manage a Technical Support Group here in Maynard,
    but looking to move to a location closer to my home.
    
    Why am I here.. I LOVE women, all women, especially my wife who
    has made such a change in my thinking. I'm looking to increase my
    awareness of women and perhaps gain a better understanding of why
    some things happen.
               
    Cal.
    

    
    	Hello.
    
    	I'm Guy Novello. I've been with DEC about 2 years.
    	My marriage has been going strong for 8 years. I have one son
    	and another child on the way.
    
    	I was the youngest of three boys. I always wished I had a sister.
    	I didn't start learning about things from a female's point of
    	view until my late teens.
    
    	I've learned a great deal from this notes file. 

    
 Hello,
    	I'm Jeff Huson, and I've been reading this conference for about
    two years, and since I finally responded for the first time last
    week, I thought I would introduce myself.
    	I work in Marlboro, and have been with DEC for 12 years. I'm
    married, and have 3 children. Sara 12, Heather 8, and Joshua 5,
    1 dog, 2 cats, and an aquarium.
    	I perceive myself a survivalist, but have been told I have a
    very dim view of life, something I inherited from my father, who
    is the same person I get my never smile, emotionless personallity
    from. In fact it's sometimes so bad the kids ask me why I never
    smile, and I say I don't know.
    	My hobbies include coin and stamp collecting, hunting, fishing,
    camping, and being involved with all my kids activities.
	I'm in this conference to understand if there is anything I'm
    missing by being the way I am, (which my wife Gwenn refers to as
    cold, hard, and heartless) and if I could gain something by having 
    feelings or showing emotions which I rarely do, steming from childhood 
    parental teaching. BTW I don't think I'm missing anything, but others
    do, so I read and try to understand, and keep everything inside
    where it belongs.
    
    							Jeff

    Hi everyone,
    
     My name is Ben Tyler. I am a Quality Auditor at GSO. I've ben with
    DEC for 5 years now. I have just started to read the conf. on the
    hope of learning more about how a women feels.
    
     I am divorced. My hobbies are Chess, reading, and playing with
    my kids. I spend a lot of time at yard sales and the Jocky Lot.
    (I Love junk!) I a hopless romantic and still believe in Love.

    Rumi Sheryar Gonda      Software Engineer 
    Been with DIGITAL for two years now.  
    
    Reason for being in this and other similar conferences,
    am interested in learning from other peoples experiences
    views, opinions so as to form my own views, opinions, and
    to avoid the pitfalls of life described here.  Am recently
    beginning to ponder about the philosophical aspects of life.
    
    For more personal information please see WHOAREYOU note 957
    or FRIENDS note 2.307.
    
    Because I am very shy in front of people I am not fimiliar with
    at first I have difficulty expressing myself at a personal level 
    and also find it difficult to start a friendship.  (Trying to
    overcome this :-)
    
    NOTES utility is a great tool for me because it allows me to 
    discuss things without being self conscious.  It is my third eye
    to the world.

Hi!!!

	I'm Larry Magoon.  I'm a single parent with a son from my second
marriage who is seven, and two children from my third marriage of whom I do not
have custody.

	I've been with DEC 7 1/2 years. I currently work in Southern NH
(Spitbrook) as a customer services maintainability engineer (VMS and layered
product support).

	I'm very concerned about women's issues, but unfortunately don't have
time to do much about them other than to do my best to treat women fairly and
to stand up for women when I get the chance.  I try to be a good example of
what a man should be.

					Larry
					  ~

	Introduction.


		Michael Kowalewicz, Software Engineer working in (what month is
	it? 8{) WMO right now.  I've been with DEC 11 years come this fall.

		I've been a read only for a while, but now that I've finally
	gotten to 'no new notes', I may enter a reply now and then.  

		A little background ..  I grew up with my mother and 4 sisters
	until she remarried.  The family added a silent step-father and 
	another sister.  The note on the child who became " the man of the
	family" strikes quite close to home.   Maybe in 48hrs I may enter
	something.


			=wn= is great!

    Hello,
    
    John Reed (Columbia, South Carolina)  Haven't seen much from the Carolina's
    reflected here. I am single, and 29 years old.  I have been a read-only
    member for some time.  I am trying my best to decipher what life's
    all about, and this is a very good forum for topical information
    about the biggest questions in my life.
    
    Listening, and hoping to understand.
    
    JR    
    

    Before replying, I guess I should introduce myself.  I've been
    a 'read only' noter in this conference for some time now....
    I read most of the notes in the first edition of this notes file
    (and that took some doing) after being directed to it by
    Meigs (Glidewell).  I share her enthusiasm for the discussions
    and now keep up pretty regularly.

    I still am not comfortable with the role that men should play
    in this conference.  So I've been 'read only', although often
    quite tempted to join in.  I won't reply often but when I do you'll
    know it was important.

    Some background.....I joined DEC in 1970 and worked in a variety
    of jobs in Engineering.  The company has sure changed a lot since
    those days.  I think that would be an interesting NOTES conference!
    In about 1980 I moved from hardware to software engineering and
    began working mostly from home, with plans of marrying my SO, Judy,
    and raising a family.  We spent the next 5 years racheting ourselves
    up the infertility medical spiral.  I have a lot of information to
    share about a variety of high-tech infertility treatments, but in
    our case nothing worked.  The alternative for us was very clear:
    adoption.  Since then we have adopted two wonderful children,
    Robin and Molly.  My main reason for replying to this conference
    is to share our adoption experience.

    We now live in Western Mass, northwest of Amherst, on a small farm
    and have a dog, a horse, and about 75 sheep.

    Hello, I'm Charles Haynes. I'm a programmer for Ultrix Engineering
    doing workstation software in the Western Software Laboratory.
    I'm about 6', 170 lbs, have waist length black hair and an earring.
    I like to cook, but I like to eat even more. I rock-climb, ski,
    whitewater raft, read, and like to talk to people. I have two cats,
    Abyssinians. I've been married since Sept 1987 to Janice Comstock.
    Before marrying we lived together for 11 years. I'm a native
    Californian and it shows.
    
    I'm a strident feminist.
    
    	-- Charles

    I am Mark Metcalfe to most; others occasionally delete the explitive.
    
    A software writer (a person who writes computer manuals) for Digitial 
    for 2 years, and for Wang prior to that for 2 and a half years, 
    I am an occasional noter who leaves notes alone for days and weeks 
    and then wastes nearly a whole day on notes when things get slow.  
    It makes one feel guilty which makes one think this should be in 
    true confessions.
    
    I added WOMANNOTES-V2 because I am a person who wants to know why
    people are the way they are.  Getting into the thoughts of women
    is of particular interest to me because of my wife, three daughters
    (who are fast approaching puberty) and a newborn son.  You see,
    I am the traditional male role model in the family structure but I am 
    open to modifying my behavior if it improves relationships.  My 
    familial relationships are exemplary, I think, but the biggest room 
    in the house must always be the room for improvement.
    
    I appreciate the ability to browse in WOMANNOTES-V2 and I hope to
    convey (when and if I make replies) that people with "traditional"
    ideals does not necessarily connote close-mindedness but another
    difference to be valued. 
                                                                 
    I am not (like -.1) a strident feminist, nor do my ideals often
    seem to align with what I percieve to be the feminist point of 
    view, but that's okay, because the feminist ideals often do not 
    seem to align with what they percieve to be my point of view.  
    
    My point:  there are three sides to every coin (the edge, you know) 
    and, more aptly, there are many facets to a diamond (or issue).
                                                                
    Will be checking in from time to time.

    
    	   Hello one and all.  I thought I'd better check in here before
    	I began any serious noting in this community.  
    
    		The Name:	Greg Davis (aka Greg, MOSAT, Sauron, and
    				various other nasty names)
    
    		Profession:	Software Support Specialist (IV)
    
    		Location:	Houston, TX
    
    	   I'll mainly be reading the file, contributing only when
    	something really arouses my interest.  I do most of my noting
    	in SOAPBOX, so you probably wouldn't want more active participation
    	from me anyway. ;^)
    
    	   I'm a radical right-wing conservative who believes strongly
    	in individual liberties for one and all.  I also do a bit of
    	writing (fiction, mostly short stories and novellas) in my
    	spare time.
    
    	   I'll try to stay out of everyone's way.
    
    	- Greg

    hello,
          My name is Dave Dawson and I am from West Texas. I feel that
    I am less a feminist than a personist. I work in field eng and have
    for 16 years. thank you.
    
    Dave

I made the mistake of reading a few notes in here, so I guess I'm here to
stay.  If this conference takes more than twenty minutes a week to keep up
with, though, I'm out of here, as I don't consider overtime an excuse for
following personal notes files.

I've been a feminist since about age 13 or 14.  Fortunately, most of the women
in my high school were too, so I was only ostracised by half the school.  When
I was in college, though, I felt VERY much alone in my views... and my college
was over half women!

Until recently, I didn't come into contact with many women in my life.  In
college, there were never many women in my courses and often were none at all.
In the workplace, about the only women I ran into were secretaries, until
about two years ago when the group I'm in became a little less male-dominated.

I personally believe that much of male-female bonding comes from seeking
balance, and that this was necessitated by the rigid traditional roles that
males and females held in our society for so long.  I feel that we can each
reach that balance within ourselves, and that this frees us to create stronger
bonds that are based more on mutual trust, caring and commitment than on what
the other person has to offer us in the way of balance or in the context of
our own personal goals.  I believe this is at the heart of the feminist
movement, and is also why there is often such a strong bond between feminism
and the movement for freedom of sexual expression.

But there are clearly some issues that are based on real physical differences
between men and women.  Particularly childbirth and related issues.  These
issues are probably more important, because they affect ALL women in one form
or another regardless of their own personal choices on lifestyle and career.
These are also the issues that are most in need of addressing by this company,
and so I am choosing to follow this conference to see if there is anything I
can personally do to help bring about change for the many working mothers here
who are carrying the double burden of motherhood and breadearner.


				Mark

	Bob Fleischer
	Software Engineer
	BOSE Advanced Development
	Nashua, NH (ZKO3)
	Been with DEC for 10 years

I've been a "fly on the wall" in this conference since shortly after the first
version was created.  I plan to remain "low profile".  But I thought that it
was only fair to announce my presence.  (Actually, Mez prodded me into it!)

Bob

Another mostly read-only participant.  I'm one of those bleeding heart, 
pro-choice liberals, a member of NOW, and even a "card-carrying" member 
of the (shudder) dreaded ACLU (gasp!).  At the age of 32, I suppose I'm 
a little more of a "practical" left-winger than I used to be.

Jim Teague
Principal Software Engineer, VMS

    
    Here goes...  I've been reading for a while, getting a feel for the
    ebb and flow of WN.  I hope that I can add some constructive ideas in
    a supportive way (something a lot closer to my nature than battles
    of logic or flaming replies).
    
    Why am I here?  To listen to what concerns women have.  To understand
    the problems facing women in the workplace.  And to understand my own
    friendships with women (I married my very best friend, and my other 
    close friends are mostly women).  I'm not here to prove anything,
    pass judgement, or get a medal.
    
    As for particulars, I'm 36, have been married for 13 years, have an
    old house in Wilton, NH (complete with 9 cats and 4 dogs), and enjoy
    gardening, food, music, reading, and good company.  
    
    Looking forward to noting with you,
    
    Ron Brown
    Principal Software Writer at ZKO
                                                      

    Hi I'm Bill Hanley, a Product Manager in Marlboro Mass. I will 
    be 32 years old in a few weeks. (WOW) I married my lovely wife, 
    Patti, on August 29th 1987 and we are expecting our first baby 
    on Memorial day!!!
    
    I have an Engneering background and for the last 2 years I have
    learned Product Management. I also came from a family where my 
    father rarely spoke openly about his feelings. Like the father 
    in the telephone commercials.
    
    I have been a =WN= reader for quite a while now. I read more of
    V1 as opposed to V2. 
    
    I have learned a great deal about Women and about myself as a 
    Man in today's society. I am happy to say that reading these 
    notes have made life much better. It has changed my life and 
    my total perspective on people.
    
    This notes file has helped my relationship with my wife and I 
    think that I will learn much more as our family grows. :^)
    No pun intended...
    
    Thanks,
    Bill Hanley
    
    

    
    Name:       Gonzalez, Luis, R.
    Age:        34
    DEC:        10 yrs   now working for EMAS as an Operator
    Military:   4 yrs Navy
    College :   2 yrs majored in music (no degree)
    Interests:  many and varied
    Why WN?:    Maybe being informed will help (why do brokers
                read the Wall St. Journal - or do they?)
    Outlook:    I don't think women are equal to men - I think
                they're better!!!  (maybe I lived with Mom too long!)
    
    P.S.:       ANY conference moderated by Bonnie R. can't be all bad!!                           
    

Hi!!!

My name is John Heffernan and I work in NAC in Littleton MA having
been with Digital for 4 years.  I am a software engineer working on a
product called Terminal Server Manager (TSM).

I am interested in seeing clearly what role my own cultural
conditioning has in my own life.  Sometimes when I think I am aware
and "cured" of most of it; I find out that I am not.  I am
interested in living a life where all beings are seen as they are
without preconditioned thoughts due to their race, sex, or physical
appearance, political beleifs, sexual preference, or current
life situation.

Currently, I am a practizing Zen Buddhist and meditator and am
interested in so-called sprititual issues.  I am also active in the
peace movement and Native American issues.  Other interestes are
juggling, running, baking, cooking, and music.

I live in a cooperative household of two men and two women in West
Concord, MA where we have two cats (and one cardboard Flat Cat I just
purchased to round out the collection).  There are quite a few women
in my life.  I am in a wonderful relationship with a feminist.
Sometimes I have to struggle and understand where her anger on some
issues is coming from.  My boss and her boss are women and I have
three women reporting to me.  (Am I the token male? ;-)  

I have no idea what I will contribute or learn from this conference
but no doubt something will happen.

peace,
john

    After asking a question in this Note-File, (and receiving many useful
    hints), I thought I better "register".
    
    I work for SW-Licencing in Switzerland, trying to make money out
    of intangibles. I am seperated from my wife, who lives with my daughter
    in Australia (which leads to substantial phone-bills). My opinions
    tend to be middle of the road, which makes me more suitable to be
    a Note-reader than a Note-writer.

                Electronic Mail:                 U.S snail mail:
        Usenet- decwrl!galach.dec.com!morgan     Mike Morgan
        E-Net - Nexus::Morgan                    6844 Mtn. Top Ln.
        DTN   - 522-5565                         Colo. Spgs., Colo. 
        ATT   - 719 548-5565                     80919

    Haven't been here for quite a while. Thought I'd drop in every once
    in a blue moon...

    My name is Frank DiMase, I am a single parent who lives and works
    in Marlborough, Ma.  I have a 9 year old daughter who of course
    lives with me.
    
    I do not often read this file.  The number of entries is overwhelming
    and I just don't have the time to read them.  I basically added
    this Notesfile to my directory because, after being a single parent
    for so long I thought I could learn something reading here.  I work
    in an area of all men, about eight of us.  We are a separate building.
    Meeting new lady friends is quite hard working here.
    
    Best Regards to all,
                         Frank
    

    Hi, my name's Otto and I work and live in Calgary, Alberta, Canada
    (Denver of the Great White North).  I've been married almost 14
    years to a wonderful woman, and we have a 6.5 yr. old son.
    
    I enjoy this conference for the open and enlightening discussions,
    and will participate as often as my schedule allows (I agree with
    Frank, even the daily entries are incredibly numerous!).
    
    I have been teased by some co-workers because of the four positions
    I've had to fill since accepting my current position, I have hired four
    women (Data Center Operators), even though it seems to be a
    traditionally male-dominated job (my answer: qualifications are
    individual not gender specific).  This conference gives me insight
    into dealing with my staff, which I greatly appreciate.  Were I single,
    separating business from personal relations might be difficult! :-) 

        Rick King
        NRO5
        Northboro Mass
    Live in Lunenburg Mass
    
    See WHoare you number 389 for more information.
    
    WHy I'm here reading... interesting reading... interesting topics...
    
                  REK
    
    PS I hate dogs too.....

      I'm father of five, husband of one of the moderators, and a Digital
    employee since 1971.   I'm pretty much the silent partner when it
    comes to noting.  
    
    

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    Dave Clark
    
    Principal Reliability Engineer
    SCO Q/R Advance Development
    
    2 women in my life - wife and daughter (3 1/2)
   
    I've been reading this notesfile for a few months - it's great!
    Whenever I've got nothing to do, I look in here and there's always
    a zillion new unread notes.     

    Welcome fellow Noters,
    
    I'm Fred Mudgett. I'm with Field Service in Baltimore Md. Gosh I
    enjoy this notes stuff.  My poor wife gets crazy from me read any
    of the notes files for hours on end. 
    
    I took two classes in college that were related to femminst issues
    so I can comfortably say I know when I've said or done something
    sexist.
    
    

Hello,

   Sorry I've not introduced myself before now.  I'm a Senior Software
   Specialist in Software Delivery in the Chicago District.  I'm
   34 and was introduced to radical politics while in high school
   during the turbulent 60's (which, as we all know, lasted until
   1972). :-)

   Many of my friends are radical feminists and some are active in the
   Gay and Lesbian movement in Chicago.  While I feel that radical 
   feminism has made crucial contributions to the movement to liberate 
   women, I believe that Marxist feminism has even more to offer, mainly 
   because the methodology can more easily be applied to understanding 
   the history of women as well as to advancing that history.  Whereas 
   radical feminists tend to view the oppression of women as deriving 
   from male domination, Marxist feminists tend to view both as deriving 
   from the material conditions in which societies develop. To me, it's 
   just a more powerful method of analysis.

   I believe that, like all liberation struggles, the freedom of women 
   must be WON; it will not be simply HANDED to them.  But I also believe 
   that the success of this liberation struggle depends on the success of 
   the broader struggle to build socialism.  I think that women will not
   be fully liberated until the working class as a whole is liberated.
   I see the democratic ownership and control of the means of production
   to be a necessary condition for the full liberation of all oppressed
   people.

   The only discussion in this conference that I have joined is that
   concerning abortion.  My views on this are fairly mature (some will 
   read 'rigid', some will read 'dogmatic', some will read 'ridiculous').  
   That's okay...I love a good political discussion.  I do try - but sometimes
   fail - not to be insulting.
   
   Regards to all, Joel Finkel

   

    Slightly updated introduction from V1 ...
    
    Name:	Paul Beck
    Location:	Spit Brook (Nashua NH)
    Job:	Consulting S/W Engineer, VMS Development, where I'm
		DECnet-VAX consultant. At DEC 12 years.
    Personal:	Have been married for about 12 years. My wife is also at
		DEC, a Senior Consulting Engineer also in VMS Development.
		I have one brother (older), two sisters (younger). I'm 40.
    Reason:	Interested in insights into people generally.

    Hi, Bob Green here, in the Facilities Department at Welwyn Garden
    City, in the UK. Found my way here via Euro_Woman; found my way
    there via Euro_Forum....
    
    I'm 33, and live in Welwyn Garden City with Doreen, our daughter
    Abigail, Paul the lodger, several cats, and some kind of dog. 
    
    I've worked for DEC for three years, and have been noting for about
    eight months, mainly in Euro_Forum and the music-related conferences,
    but decided to add Womannotes and Eurowoman to my notebook in an
    effort to understand everybody (there aren't too many female noters
    in E_F) - I came in here specifically after a note on sexist language,
    in Euro_Woman, directed readers to note 319 (?) in here, and that's
    where I'm going now.......
    
    Politically an unashamed but non-aligned socialist.
    
    Bob

    
        Name:  Shawn Labounty
         M/S:  LO2/E06 (Marlboro MA)
         Job:  Electronic Tech II
      Status:  Happy (oops, I mean single)
    
                                                       Shawn L.
    

    Hi. I'm John Skelly.
    
    A friend of mine in this conference asked me to open it and look at a
    particular note of interest to her, so I did. I set seen and went
    directly to the note in question, then did a next unseen and instantly
    found a note I had a urge to reply to. 
    
    I gave into the urge and decided I'd better introduce myself. 
    
    I work in Software Services Operations in Irvine, California. I
    actually used to be a read-only member of this conference for awhile,
    but withdrew. I don't know how much I'll participate this time around,
    but here I am for the moment, paying attention. 

    
    Greetings from the Great Northwest!
    I seem to have returned to work.  I haven't quite finished my
    dissertation, but I promise to get to work on it *real soon*.
    As of this evening there are over 12000 notes for me to read to catch
    up.  Still, I am looking forward to the task.  The only thing I truly
    missed, except a co-worker or two, was WOMANNOTES.
    
    For those that care: I am a musician (conduct the Rainier Symphony,
    etc.), work at DECwest as lead computer operator, live in Seattle with
    Lauren, my spouse (no kids), I am 31 years old, height 5'7", weight 145, 
    Social-Democrat, Quaker, member: ACLU, NOW, NARAL, RCAR and AFM,
    ethnicity: Anglo-Saxon/German/Irish, hetero-sexual, born and raised on
    Long Island, BA Univ. of Rochester, MM Indiana Univ., DMA Univ. of
    Washington in progress, and, need it be said?, a feminist.
    

    
    
    Donald Henninger
    COOP Student
    CXO3  RA90 Manufacturing
    
    Married twice, divorced once.
    
    1 adopted daughter by second wife.
    2 estranged sons by second wife 
    1 'timid' ( read that feciciously ) 6 year old from second.
    
    Currently enrolled at U of Colo - Co Spgs for second BS.  This one
    in computer science, the earlier in math.  Also, part time househusband
    and Army reserve officer.
    
    My wife, Jane, is very independent and has helped bring out me and to find
    my niche.
    
    Will either include in an existing file thoughts on situations
    involving older kids or possibly open a new one.  Major problems
    are perceptions and capricious court decisions.
    
    Don
    

   
   Re 3.3: an update...
   
   After a somewhat abrupt vanishing act from the net courtesy of the
   INS, I am back... Since September I have come back to the active
   military reserve - I am now a full Colonel in the reserve. I have
   also had a trip to Thailand courtesy of the British government...
   
   My wife and I are now in the process of putting our possesions where
   she wants them, having finally found somewhere to live - a 400 year
   old cottage in Oxfordshire, rather prettily located on the banks
   of the Thames.
   
   The bad news is that I don't have a home terminal any more, so my
   wife won't be a direct contributor any more: however I'll take home
   notes I think might interest her, and post her answers...
   
   /. Ian .\

    
    Greetings....
    
    >John Worcester,  Proto-MFG Tech III., Burlington Mfg Plant in South
    Burlington, Vermont.
    
    >Deaf, wear hearing-aid in left ear.  Cochlear Implant device in
    right ear.  Read lips.  Have 2 TTYs at home and 1 in the BTO plant.
     
    >Married 9 years w/2  beautiful girls.  Wife also deaf, but is disabled
     and has a hard time finding a job.  Children not hearing-impaired.
    
    >Home on a 10.1 acre lot on Texas Hill, (950 ft elevation) w/lots of
    snow in Huntington.  Near Sherman Hollow and Camel's Hump's X-country
    ski areas.
                       
    5' 7 " 160 lbs., brn eyes/brn hair., and er, ummm... quite handsome, too.  
    I'm blushing....
    
    Interests:  Cruising on Lake Champlain in my 16 ft/80hp runabout
    motorboat.  Fishing,...on a good day.  Hiking... traveling and 
    taking the kids camping.   Hope to see Walt Disney World again
    and get tanned on the beach of the Bahamas.  Would also like to visit
    Gallaudet College for the Deaf in Washington,DC some day.   Other
    interests includes listening to music of the 60's,  teaching
    my 2 little girls how to read and write, and takin 'em out to McDonald's.
                                                           
    I appreciate Womannotes-V1 & V2... Has a lot of excellent and
    important topics.   
                                                       John
                                                                             

    G'Day All,
    
    	Having now entered a few notes I thought I'd better let you
    all know who the hell this guy from down-under is.
    
    Name: David Wales
    Job Title: Product Repair Centre Tech. III (Soon to be Field Service
               Eng. III)
    Actual Job: Anything that nobody else wants to do!
    Where: Logistics Repair Centre, Lane Cove, Sydney, AUSTRALIA.
    Time with DEC: Too long!  Actually just on 4 years.
    Interests: Computers in general especially communications involving
               computers.  Notes are great and very entertaining at
               times.
    Dislikes: The fact that no other people (that I've noticed) from
              Australia take part in this file.  You guys have all the
              parties etc and I get to read about them :-(.
    
    Happy Noting,
    
    David.
    
    
    

Hi,

My name is Gerry Fisher.  I'm a technical writer at ZKO (Nashua, New 
Hampshire).  I'm 27, tall, and thin.  I spend a lot of time working on 
gay activist issues, and I do a lot of work with a group called DECpac 
(a Policy Action Committee comprised of lesbian, gay, and bi folks).  
I like basketball, reading, and writing.

I decided to begin reading this file because, although I consider 
myself a feminist, I want to keep in touch with what is going on.  
Reading this file is one way that I intend on keeping in touch.  I'm 
looking forward to reading/listening....


						--Gerry

    Hi,
    
    I will complete 6 years with Digital in May.  I work in UK Product
    Marketing.  I have responsibility for Office Information Systems
    (includes ALL-IN-1).  Since now I have worked for 4 managers.  
    Three (including present) of them were women.  Currently in my
    group I am the only male member. Most of my contacts in other
    functional groups are also women.
     
    This conference helps me to understand needs and wants of women.
    As a result I have an excellent rapport with them.
    
    In my spare time I am involved with many activities.  The key hobby
    is practising Holistic Medicine.  I will be delighted to exchange
    notes on this subject.
    
    regards,
    Girish
     

    Hi there, My nane is Bill I work  in Andover Ma and I'm in this file
    to try to understand my girlfriend. Any other questions???
    
    
    
    Bill
    

    Well, now that I've started a topic in here I suppose I'd better
    introduce myself -- I'm a 20-year old student at the University
    of Michigan studying Economics and Scandinavian Studies.  I come
    here during the summer to work in (computer) Operations and help
    pay for school.
    			-Keith

    I've been reading this conf. now for a while with the purpose of
    learning more about how women really are/feel/whatever, so now here's
    my intro.
    
    Ben Tyler
    GSO
    Quality Auditor

    Okay,
    
    I'll come clean.
    I'm also one of the men who have been reading this conference for
    a long while now.
    I think this conference (&MENNOTES) are execellent.
    I will continue to read this conference and maybe even pop in a
    comment or two. You never know.
    
    
    By the way my name is Simon Stockman and I work for Edu Services
    Manchester, England as an Instructor.
                                         
    
    Simon...
    
    

Updating 3.83 ...

Well, VAX Decision Expert is shipping from the SDC and I've transferred to
the "Greater C Group" in TLE at ZK2-2, so we're busy (swamped is more like it)
with relocating to Nashua, NH.  (See TALLIS::REAL_ESTATE note 19.5268 or send
me mail if you're looking for a house in Marlborough, MA!)

     My name is Paul Paternoster and I'm an electrical engineer in HPS.
    I started reading this notes file after I heard a co-worker two
    cubicles down laughing hysterically at some jokes which were entered
    here. I started looking at topics in this conference and found some
    of them very interesting. Some replies have even made me better
    understand my fiance's position on some everyday issues. Thanks.
    
    

    After slowly shifting from read-only to occasional contributions,
    I realized I should formally introduce myself:
    
    Andrew Kenah
    VMS Marketing, working in ZKO
    
    6 years with Digital -- in my previous life, I was a stagehand
    for eleven years.  Current outside interests include sculpting...
    
    Unmarried, no children, friend of Bill's, humanist.

    After reading for a while I introduce myself.
    
    Josef Borkovec,
    now SWAS pre-sale, working in Nurenberg.
    
    Married, daughter 4, boy 2.          
    
    Came to Germany in 1968 from Czechoslovakia.
        
    

    Hi, 
    
    I'm Jerry Witman and have been with DEC for over 21 years.
    
    I enjoy NOTES and believe I learn from the variety of opinions in
    the varrious NOTES.
    
    Currently I'm a Customer Services Manager in Orlando, Florida.
    

    I am Robbie Smith.  I am just at Digital for the summer, but I have
    quite enjoyed and profited from the discussion here.  Other than
    being here (DEC-Boston) right now, I am a grad student at MIT.
    
    I plan on getting involved with Evelyn Murphy's campaign once the
    school year restarts.  I hope to see some of you there.
    
    Robbie

       Hi,
           I've been Read-only mode for a while, however if I start
       writing, here is who I am; 

           Name:  R. Richard Gray
           Job:   Senior Software Engineer, VRO
                  I've been with Digital for 6 yrs.
       
           Marital Status:
                  I am in the process of ending a 15 year marriage
                  I have two children

    William Colleton
            Read only 
             went threw a rough divorce after been with one person 12
              years  having hard time adjusting to single life again
              thought I would try and get some insight as to how women
              think and feel about various topics.

As I read through this "intro" note, it became apparent that a lot 
of people read for a while and then sign in.  I guess I'll do the 
opposite; I just got into this file and haven't got much to say 
about it yet.  

I started with DEC here in Northboro, Ma. a little under a year
ago.  Before that I was down south in school and basically
growing-up (I'm 26 now but I don't feel very "grown" yet).  Over
the years I have spent a good deal of time in circles of friends
who have varied in their feminist outlooks.  I myself tend
toward a fairly progressive feminist agenda, I guess, although
I have had some rather heated arguments over such things whether
Mary Daly accomplishes anything good by refusing to allow men to
ask questions at her talks, etc...  I will most likely be
read-only in here both because I think it should be a forum for
women (mostly) and also because I just tend to sit back and read
if I even have time for that.  If I see a place where I think I
have something useful then I'll throw it in. 

-GlennS.

    Name:	Marty Jack
    Location:	ZKO (Spit Brook Road, Nashua NH)
    Job:	Consulting Software Engineer, Software Business Technologies
		At DEC 12.5 years.  I've done languages, operating systems,
    		graphics, utilities, a little real-time, a little hardware.
    Personal:	40, only child, married to Barbara Bazemore (another member
    		of this community).

    Why did I start reading?  Lunchtime discussion with JimB.  Why do
    I keep reading?  It brings a smile to my lips, a tear to my eye,
    and a thought to my brain.  I will write on occasion when I believe
    I can contribute a fresh insight.  I get a lot from this file, but
    time pressures often prevent me from participating more actively.

Since I've recently entered a few items in the Gun Protection topic, 
and will probably continue to do so, I should tell you more about 
myself.

My name is Bill Doll.  I've been with DEC for 13+ years, currently am 
U.S. Area volume marketing programs manager for Computer Special 
Systems (CSS) located in MKO1.  Past lives at DEC have included PDP-11 
software product management, Telecommunications Industry Group 
marketing management, ULTRIX-32 product manager, and CSS Network 
Systems Group U.S. product marketing manager.

I'm 47, married, and have two daughters, ages 24 and 25.  Since my 
wife operates her own antiques and collectibles business in a downtown
area of Manchester, N.H. and both daughters are living independently 
on their own, I have a strong interest in their personal safety, and 
in women's safety issues in general.  I have personally made the 
commitment to incorporate firearms into my own personal and home 
protection strategies.  I am an advocate of the similar use of fire-
arms by women (and men) who have examined their own feelings on this
topic and who have concluded that they are morally comfortable with
the use of justifiable lethal force.

I'm an NRA-certified instructor in Basic Pistol Marksmanship and in
Personal Protection.  I'm also professionally-trained in defensive 
shooting techniques and tactics and in the moral, ethical, and legal 
parameters of the use of deadly weapons and lethal force.  I am a 
civilian member of the American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers 
(ASLET) and conduct women's safety classes involving instruction in 
firearms in conjunction with the Manchester Police Department several 
times a year.

I look forward to continued participation and lively interaction in
this conference.

    Bill

    Hi.  I'm Dave Brown, I work in the Mill in the area of standards,
    Chief Engineer's Office, Corp. Product Safety, etc.  I'm 57, married
    for 32 years (very happily!).  Our three children are now 31, 24
    and 21.  We have two grandsons, 9 and 6, who happily live nearby.
    
    I read notes a fair amount (womannotes, soapbox, blacknotes, Digital,
    and several conferences dealing with physical disabilities).  I seldom
    write to notes, but am starting to.
    
    Outside of work, my interests are reading, crosswords, boating,
    hammocking in the back yard, and sculpture.
    
    I find I learn a lot from notes, and noting is one good way to avoid
    the isolation that this electronic communication environment can
    produce (talking to the tube with impersonal business memos all
    day is not conducive to generating close working relationships with
    fellow workers).  Noting brings feelings and new ideas into my day.
    
    dave

    Bud Luebkert
    
    Going on 14 years with DEC.  I plan implementation of new courses
    for customers in the US.
    
    I have been married 18.5 years.  It is important to me to state
    that this has been to the same woman although all has not been roses
    and smooth sailing.  We have 5 children: 4 boys and then a girl.
    I like to go camping and so do my children until last year when
    my oldest found other things.  My wife joins us sometimes, but mostly
    she enjoys the freedom of our absence.
    
    Like Churchill, I was a Liberal at 21 and was a Conservative by
    the time I turned 35.  According to Winston, this means I have both
    heart and brain.  I have not outgrown being extremely idealistic,
    which has me continually fighting for causes and possibly tilting
    at windmills. 
    
    I believe that listening is a nearly extinct skill, and that this
    is the reason for most strife in the world today.  Lack of listening
    or empathy, shouting and name calling, and attacks and put downs 
    bother and sometimes anger me.  (See, I slipped into one of my 
    windmill CAUSES again.)
    
    
    Comment: Idealism hurts a lot, so I'd like to grow out of it, settle
    down, and enjoy life.
    
    Why am I here?  Because I hate sexism, racism, or any other
    -ism that results in decisions which disadvantage or benefit
    any person based on these unless it can be shown that sex, race,
    or whatever is a legitimate factor (eg employment criterion). I
    believe very firmly in equal pay for equal work, although this is
    sometimes hard to determine <eg between different jobs=subjective>.
    I believe in Right to Life vs Pro Choice, although I contend that
    there was an earlier choice in most cases and I support the freedom
    to make that choice or an adoption choice later.  And where else
    but here could I expect to find all these issues discussed hopefully
    between individuals who respect one another even if they hold different
    views?

Hi,

I've enjoyed reading this conference for some time, so thought it's about
time to sign in.

I'm Wes Mallory from DLB5 in Marlboro, Mass. I've been with Digital for
six years and have been known to support women's issues during that time.
I work for the Artificial Intelligence Operations group, am 45 years old,
married and a grandpa.

Wes

    My name is Michael McGovern.  I am a technical writer in the CUP
    group, presently located at MR04.
    	
    I'm trying to learn so much about all human issues (I'm as much
    a humanist as a feminist) and hope to be enlightened by what I read
    here.
    
    I sign myself MM after I get going...

    
    Robert A Holt
    
    SW Engineer, Independent Software Vendor Gp., Mt View, CA.
    
    Just keeping an eye cocked toward the proceedings (someone
    had to go and writelock SOAPBOX this weekend)...

    Roger L. Oakey
    
    I've been in here for awhile now, so I might as well introduce myself.
    
    Software Engineer (Diagnostic) for high end disk sybsystems in Colorado
    Springs, Colorado.
    
    Married, divorced and remarried (got it right this time!)
    
    My first wife gets the credit for opening my eyes to the issues facing
    women these days and correcting some of my learned sexisim that I
    wasn't aware of...
    
    With one note as an exception, perhaps Mr. Holt and I can converse here
    without going for each other's throats :-)
    
                               Roak

Just when you might have thought I was gone for good...

I'm back.

Now all I have to do is read 4500 no0tes, and hope that they aren't too long 
(since Notes V2.0 with a DECwindows interface takes a while to suck in long 
notes "over the pond" :-)

See yo'all down the notin' trail...

/. Ian .\

[PS: note my new personal signature... my wife thinks Tsingtao Dhum matches my 
personality, and who knows - she may be right!- it means "Black Lion" if you are 
curious.]

    Might as well throw my name in the hat too !     8^)
    
    Jerry White (.aka. "Scary")
    
    Just checking in from time to time, trying to figure out women out.
    
    
    
    .... I don't think it can be done !      8^}
    
    
    
    				Jerry

    Hello, my name is John Barrett.  I am a Coop student at Northeastern
    University.  My Major is Criminal Justice and I am currently working
    at Lmo2 in Industrial Security.
    
    I am 22 and learned a lot about Feminist issues from my older sister
    Jane, who encouraged me to explore all sides of these important issues
    and to think independently.
    
    I am interested in learning more about issues in this file, and part-
    icipating in the discussions.
    
                                                        John Barrett

    Labels on the package: 31, VMS Engineering, lower middle class
    background, white (literally), hetero, pretentious (: >,).
    
    I'm here for purely selfish reasons: most of my friends have been women
    and I seem most comfortable in social situations in which women
    outnumber men.
    
    I'm aware of some of the paradoxes involved in being this sort of
    "feminist man" (lesbian acquaintances at Bryn Mawr pointed out a number
    of them to me, artists such as Yvonne Rainier in "The Man Who Envied
    Women" have pointed out more) but have found no way to completely
    resolve them.  I hope to be fairly quiet while working out what it
    means in terms of noting.
    
    Ray

        Daniel V. D'Eramo
        Decision Expert Development
        Artificial Intelligence Technology Group (AITG)
        DLB5 (Marlboro, MA)
        
        Dan

    Hi!
    
    I'm Jim Bay, and I'm a software engineer in Hudson, MA.  I've been in
    Mass. since '89, DEC since '83 and Earth since '56.  I'm into a little
    of everything, mostly stuff thats tests your inner strength, including
    skiing, scuba, flying, sailing, etc.
    
    I've been noting ever since I got an Enet account back in my days in
    Software Services, and I keep up as best I can.  I can't promise to
    read everything in here before posting, but I'll try to make a
    qualitative effort.
    
    I am not a feminist, but I am a humanist, which is in the right
    direction.  I find people to be fascinating, in general, which is one
    reason I read notesfiles like HR.  I have trouble understanding men
    most of the time; with women its pure SWAG.
    
    I don't have any great expectations of discovering profound meaning
    here, but with luck I'll leave with more than I came in with.  On a
    good day, I might even give something useful in return.
    
    Nice to meet you!  Come see me anytime!
    
    Jim
    

    Hello =wn=,
    
    After more than a year of occasional read-only visits it's about
    time I signed in. I'm Ad Vissers and I work for the Central Response
    Group in Utrecht, Holland. The female viewpoint interests me both
    in a political sense (put me *definitely* left of centre on the
    scale) and in the sense of relations on my personal level.
    
    And most certainly I can say a couple of note strings here have
    answered questions for me in the past. I'd classify myself as a
    feminist for as much as a male can qualify for that title and that
    latter part already indicates I'm still lacking some input on how that
    could be filled in. On the personal level I must say when it comes
    to close friends women are in the majority and even though they
    have helped me understand many things there is always more to learn
    every day. 
    
    You can find me around the net in files like Friends, World_Issues,
    H_R (as of late), EF90 (comod) and Euro-woman. I think I'll read
    a lot more than I'll write but I might toss in a note from time
    to time.
    
    Ad

    
    Richard Logan.  I'm just this guy, you know?

    I was reminded by the discussion of conference membership that I have
    never registered.
    
    I'm at the Mill in a small group in CRA called Technology Assessment
    and Planning that worries about future technologies that might be
    important to the company, and what we should do about them.  Earlier I
    was a software engineer, starting in 1981.  I'm actually an imposter,
    since I've never even taken a computer science or engineering course;
    I'm really a historian of computing in disguise, whose time-axis got
    reversed.   But please don't tell anyone.
    
    I've seen many changes in possibilities and expectations for women,
    both in my own life and in our larger society, under the rubric of
    wo/man's liberation.  I think I've welcomed them all.  I trust they
    will continue, for all our sakes.
    
    			- Bruce

    Jerry Witman, Cutomers Services (Orlando, Florida)
    
    Formally LCG engineer, 22 years with DEC.  Currently Unit Manager in
    Orlando.
    
    So far Read-Only in this conference. (About 2 years)

Well, since I finally replied to a note (982), I guess I'd better sign in....

I'm Jonathan Hampton, a hardware engineer in the ECAD System Simulation
group at PKO3.  I've been at DEC about a year and a half and have been a 
'READ_ONLY' of this conference for a little under a year.

-Hamp

PS. (An observation...) It seems that note 982 is bringing some of us
                        'READ_ONLY' people out of the woodwork ;->

    Hi,
    
    I'm Bob Buckland, a program manager in the Ottawa office.  That
    means that I get to deliver our solutions to customer problems.
    
    I've been with Digital since '77 on and off, both in Canada and
    the UK.
    
    Usually note in read only mode unless to ask advice, ask a question,
    or can enter factual data.  I tend to stay away from entering opinions
    unless I'm very sure about what I'm saying.  Besides someone usually
    says what I feel before I do, and so much better.
    

    Tony Ivins from San Francisco district, read only noter mostly but I
    want to be included if it goes members only. 

    Dale Rogers;
    primary labels:
    	male, married, parent to 4, Christian, libertarian (no, i see no 
    		conflicted with these last two), field engineer, hacker;
    secondary characteristics:
    	large feminine component in personality, intense dislike of nonsense,
    		broad tolerance for "different";
    
    I came to learn more about how "real" women think; stayed because i
    haven't stopped learning.
                                    

    John Papa, Colorado springs, Mostly read only noter but I will add
    my two cents once in awaile.

    
    
    Hi. I'm, Jasper 'jd' Davis, here in Littleton (LKG). I'll be a reader
    for awhile. Hopefully in the end, I'll come away with more understand-
    ing then I have begun with.
    
    Peace,
    
    jd

    Since I find that I will not be able to vote in a forthcoming ballot
    unless I register here, and since I've been a read-mainly,
    write-occasionally member for several months now, it's time to sign in.
    
    I'll confine my introduction to saying that I've been in Digital for 5
    years, the USA (Nashua) for 7 months, and remain what one of my
    favourite personal names called me: a "single-parent childless family".
    
    	Andrew.

    Richard Jones-Christie
    (Christie is my maiden name, Jones is Sharon's maiden name)
    
    Married, blended family: step-daughter, 15; son, 10 (today).
    
    10 years with Digital.

    yeah, i read this.
    

    I have read this note for about a half year.  Almost a read-only
    noter.  Just want to say hello here.
    
    Stephen.
    

    Phil Connell at NQO here. Just had to say "hi". Been a read only for
    over a year. I've learned a lot, but not nearly enough. No, never
    enough.

    My name is Mike Valenza.  I work in Kamchatka, USSR, providing software
    and fashion consulting for the local goat herders.  My last name comes
    from the Greek words Val, meaning "He who", and Enza, meaning "He
    who".  My ancestors apparently had a problem with verbal coherence.

    My turn ons include long hair, phone sex, and primates.  Turn offs
    include Kierkegaard, global warming, and pi.

    I am only signing in as a formality so I can vote on an upcoming issue. 
    As soon as the vote is over, I will delete this note.  So there.

    -- Mike

    
    	George Bushee - work and live in Puke-land. Ya know the
    	republik of taxes.. land of die before you live free!
    
    	Anyways, since I've been around since V1 I figured I should
    	say HI.
    
    	G_B

    Ed Fisher, Doctor of Philosophy, programmer of sorts.
    
    ed

    Hi,
    
    John Wood, divorced, single parent of a 15 year old daughter (who
    frequently acts like she is closer to 25).
    
    I've been with Digital for 16 years and am a software product manager.
    
    I've been reading this file for a year or two and still have a lot of
    learning and growing to do.
    
    Thanks for the help.
    

    See reply number 69 for me...
    
      REK
    
    PS I still hate dogs...

    Hello =wn= World - former 'lurker' Dan Kalikow here.  I *had* been
    planning finally to introduce myself over this weekend, but hadn't
    expected the attending turmoil.  O well, no matter.  Hi!
    
    I've been at DEC only since last May.  Notes in general, and =wn= in
    particular, have been VERY helpful in my acculturation process, as well
    as fascinating, sometimes amusing/infuriating, and 'most always
    enlightening.  Thanks, all, for sharing -- now that I'm "in," I hope to
    contribute occasionally.
    
    I live in Natick Mass. with my dear wife of 25+ years, and I work in
    PCSG (Personal Computer Systems Group) Littleton, LJO2, as a member of
    the "VMS Services for Macintosh" engineering development team.
    
    **BRAG ON** :-) -- with apologies in advance for the length, NEXT REPLY
    recommended for the uninterested...  Much of what follows was lifted
    from that blurb you (may) have to write for your college's 25th
    reunion.  As we begin our story, Dan has just turned 47 and is sitting
    at his Mac II...
    
    Debby and I met on my 19th birthday (at a Brandeis mixer! :-) and have
    been together since.  She later earned a Master's in Clinical Psych
    from URI.  For the past 17 years, she's run a very successful
    custom-decorated cake business that gives rein to the artistic flair
    she didn't know she had until she first wielded a decorating tube.  By
    now, she's modeled virtually every known solid object, and not a few
    abstractions, in cake!  She also works part-time at International Data
    Corp.
    
    Debby & I are almost(?) through raising two wonderful kids, 21 and 18. 
    They are now a Senior (linguistics/French major) and a Freshling at
    Harvard, my undergraduate alma mater.  As the joke sez, "With two kids
    in college, we're getting poorer by degrees!"  But there's NOTHING we'd
    rather spend it on than our kids' educations.
    
    Our two daughters have been our chief joys.  These are two witty and
    delightful people it's been our pleasure and privilege to bring up and
    to know.  Not surprisingly, I've found that to raise daughters has
    strengthened my feminism.
    
    Debby & I have just come through a rocky winter -- she had two sinus
    operations for a tumor that really had us scared, plus a splitting,
    9-week nonstop, recuperation headache.  But thanks to the fine
    Boston-area medical community, she's made a full recovery!  Whooppee!
    
    Where I'm coming from:  I'm a Mass. native, liberal Democrat,
    pro-choice, "unintentionally pc" :-):-).  Both my undergraduate and
    graduate degrees were in Experimental Psychology, and after leaving
    Brown I actually professed (at U. of NC) for a couple of years in that
    field before deciding I wanted to do full-time research (and to get a
    better excuse to play with computers full-time!).
    
    I spent the '70s and then some at Bolt Beranek & Newman, the Cambridge
    think-tank, doing a whole range of applied engineering consulting work,
    from psychophysics and psycholinguistics to office automation (as it
    was beginning to be called in those days) and general human factors. 
    One interesting line of work developed out of our digital signal
    processing work -- I coordinated all, and led some, of BBN's lab work
    on the (in)famous "eighteen and a half minute gap" tape that played a
    central role in the Watergate scandal of '72-'74.  I wrote a successful
    clinical diagnostic test still used in audiometry.  I also got into
    TENEX and TOPS-20, PDP-8's and -11's, electronic mail, text-editors and
    -formatters, laser printers and the rest.  
    
    One of my major satisfactions then, as now, was putting new
    productivity tools in users' hands.  In that connection, I also recall
    with pride the several women secretaries who were early adopters of
    those tools, whom I "mentored" through the transition to the
    development staff.  
    
    After a short and disastrous stint at DG (I made the strategic error of
    joining an innovative OA group that was incompatible with the rest of
    the product line, and left before the photon torpedoes hit), I spent
    the rest of the '80s at Prime until the layoff ax fell. 
    
    Aside from working on EMACS, a declarative text-formatting language,
    and PostScript laser printers, my chief claim to fame at Prime was as
    the senior resident "Mac freak."  In the late '80s, I passionately
    advocated and *nearly* pulled off :-(  the kind of strategic alliance
    between Prime and Apple that DEC enjoys today (well OK, in retrospect,
    turn that :-( into a :-) 'cause Digital Has It Now).
    
    I remain a Mac freak to this day.  I *better,* we own three -- our
    upgrade strategy is to buy one, send it off to college with a kid, and
    buy the next at undergraduate discount rates.  Yikes, no more kids...  
    
    Here at DEC, I've got the best of both worlds -- a Mac II on my desk
    and plenty of VAXen to tap into via DECnet and LAT, among other
    transports.  I've also got very bright, incredibly dedicated colleagues
    and an exciting product to help get out the door.
    
    Some favorite things:  Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Tom Clancy, James
    Clavell, Stephen King, Desperado, time-lapse photography, international
    food (Indian and French are faves), and romantic (25th-anniversary, in
    our case) trips to France.  I particularly recommend hot-air ballooning
    over the Loire, bed & breakfasting in actual Michelin-listed chateaux,
    and that evening cruise down the Seine where you dress up and they feed
    you a 5-star meal as Paris glides by at sunset...  Ahh...  And don't
    forget to buy a rose for your SO...
    
    (BTW, FWIW, I like it when Noters mention their geographical locations
    -- the EasyNet is so time/place transparent, I sometimes wonder whence
    on the planet the musings appear.  But then again I wanted to be a
    cartographer when I was a kid; perhaps this curiosity is out-of-place.)
    
    Back to the college reunion blurb...  There's much that one leaves out
    in a summary of this sort -- goals not met, mistakes made, paths not
    traveled.  As ever, the rules change as you go along, and only the most
    enduring yardsticks are reliable.  My wife and I are together, healthy,
    and happy; our children are bright, beautiful and full of promise; we
    tend our figurative garden.  The seasons change.  Love endures.
    
    Thanks for listening, see you online...  Dan
    

    
    An old time noter checks in - coming up to 10 years in Digital,
    my first job out of college.  I started as a mechanical engineer,
    but changed to software engineering within a few years.  But I
    still work with "widgets", go figure.
    
    I started at Digital as "-mr. bill" Kane, but within a year I changed
    to "-mr. bill" Licea-Kane.  (Please use titles which denote gender
    when referring to me.  I am what I am.)
    
    Erica is somewhere in Rome on spring break this week, but most weeks we
    live together in half of a two family house in Arlington.  Erica is an
    artist who also teaches "fibers" at Massachusetts College of Art and
    Rhode Island College.
    
    								-mr. bill

     I guess I never did an official intro.
    
     I am Mark Levesque, hardware design engineer in NaC, Distributed
    Systems Advanced Development. I am currently working on Pericles, a
    source of continual challenge, stress, and heart palpitations.
    
     I have three kids- 16, 18, and 1, all daughters whom I love very much.
    
     I love outdoor sports- fishing, hunting, shooting, hiking. I also love
    indoor sports- basketball etc. :-)
    
     The Doctah

    I'm Joseph Schlam, (I always use Joseph when writing my name, 
    Joe in conversation) a principal software engineer in the Transaction
    Processing System Performance group in Littleton, MA. Currently
    working with the DECq (a piece of DECtp V1) development team.
       
    I have been with Digital two years. I moved to Digital after
    working part time for 15 months in order to be home with my son
    Mark, now 3 1/2 years old. Spent the previous 10 years working
    with a major competitor's (hint - 3 letters, first one is a vowel)
    software as a system programmer, APL wizard, sw developer, and
    numerous customer support hats.

    I am a parent of two truly wonderful children :-), Alexandra, almost 7, 
    and Mark. Married almost 10 years to an ex-DECcie, who has been 
    traveling 50% of the time for 10 months. Live in Lexington.

    I note primarily in read mode, but now that I have introduced myself
    look forward to contributing to the lively and for the most part
    enlightening discussions. 

    Interests outside of work, after parenting, include 
    running, reading (never enough time for this) current novels, some
    history, and short stories, cooking, and music - jazz, R&b, real rock.

    Hi,


    	My name is Brian Nelson and I work in the NUO facility here in
    Nashua, New Hampshire.  The long form of this intro can be found in the
    WHOAREYOU conference, entry #716, but the short form goes something
    like:


    	I'm 27.5, single, and I've been with DEC for nearly 5 years now.
    I've been a software engineer for all of that time.  I'm into all kinds
    of things (and am always looking to expand the list -- I *love* trying
    new stuff) that range the entire spectrum of activities and things I
    like to do.  However, I don't like Mexican food; hey, no one's
    *perfect*....  ;-)  (I like everything else I've tried so far, but
    Italian has to be my favorite.)


    	One of my favorite things is talking to people and getting to know
    folks.  That's one of the reasons I'm here -- I'm a definite people
    watcher, and I mean that much more deeply than simply using my eyes.  I
    like to understand them as much as I can.  Since women make up a good
    percentage of our world -- *and* since they seem to be traditionally
    more difficult for me to understand (sometimes I think it's a
    conspiracy  ;-) ) -- any insight I can gain from this conference would
    be great.  If not, at least getting a clearer picture of how some women
    view certain issues would be a good start.  I look forward to and
    welcome any and all discussions, both in here and off-line.


    	I hope to pop up here and there when notes of particular interest
    to me come along (time permitting in my now-hectic job).


    Brian

	I'm Don Mac Millan. I'm a husband and father of three great children;
two of whom are young women. These is also a grandmotherly person living with
us. 
	I was raised by a single mother (most of the time) and now live in
a household where women are the majority (as indicated). It somehow seems wise 
for me to be sensitive to 'womens issues'. I consider myself orientated more
toward humanism then feminism though; appreciating all the while the large
area of overlap.

	Lastly, by way of intro, I'm an ISWS specialist currently assigned to
Corporate Internal Audit in Acton ma.


			Regards,
			Don

    I would like to annouce right here, for the benefit of this community,
    that I am not Mike Zarlenga.  To the best of my knowlege, I have never
    been Mike Zarlenga, nor do I forsee that I will be Mike Zarlenga at any
    point in the near future.
    
    To help set the record straight, I have compiled the following list of
    differences between Mike Zarlenga and Mike Valenza:
    
    				Mike Zarlenga		Mike Valenza
    
    Location:			New England		Colorado
    Hair Length:		Short			Long
    Note signature:		-mike z			-- Mike
    # "v"s in last name:	0			1
    # "g"s in last name:	1			0
    
    I hope that this chart will help to resolve any confusion that might
    arise in the future.  Thank you.
    
    -- Mike

    
    frank pagliuca  contractor
    
    been here for 1 1/2 years here until june if we are lucky.
    there are 16 contractors with account so all replies may
    not be from me.
    
    also drive limo 
    motorcyclies
    
    frank