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Conference turris::womannotes-v2

Title:ARCHIVE-- Topics of Interest to Women, Volume 2 --ARCHIVE
Notice:V2 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1105
Total number of notes:36379

72.0. ""A Woman's World"" by SCDGAT::MATHERS () Sun Jul 24 1988 19:40

    I have been reading womannotes off and on for several months.  
    This is my first entry.  I promise, Maggie, I will introduce
    myself officially.  :)
    
    Anyway, I read the following article in the Boston Globe last
    Tuesday.  I am curious about the response it will get from the
    womannotes community.
                                 
    Barb 
    
    _____________________________________________________________
    
    "A Woman's World" by Art Buchwald
    
    Washington - The worst thing you can ask a woman these days is
    "What do you do?"
    
    I made this mistake the other night when I turned to the woman
    seated next to me at a dinner party and posed the question.
    
    "I don't do anything," she said.  "I make breakfast for the family
    and then I clean the kitchen.  After that I call the telephone
    company to find out if they're planning on sending anyone to fix
    the phone, and then I go to the supermarket with a long list of
    things that we're out of."
    
    "But you're doing something,"  I said.
    
    "I'm really not worth much," she said.
    
    "After the supermarket, I pick up my youngest child from kindergarten
    and leave him at the baby sitter while I go off in search of
    fertilizer for the lawn.  I don't wear nice suits, and I never carry
    a briefcase."
    
    "Look, if you don't want to talk about it, it's OK with me."
    
    "I feel so worthless," she continued.
    
    "Sometimes when I want to have fun I go to the shoemaker and get
    new heels put on my shoes.  But then I have to make up for it by
    taking the car to the garage because the brakes squeal and the
    electrical system keeps dying on me.  I've risen as high as I can
    in life."
    
    "You do more than most women who work outside the home," I
    assured her.
    
    "It's not true.  Those women are suing people and figuring out
    celebrities' income taxes;  they're performing surgery and merging
    peanut companies with coal mine monopolies.  All I'm doing with
    my time is carting overdue books back to the library, driving my
    mother to the dentist and trying to find a sump pump for the
    basement.  I'm almost ashamed to be in this room with so many
    women of accomplishment."
    
    "You're being too hard on yourself.  Let's change the subject.
    What do you think of this lamb?"
    
    "I never eat lamb.  Nobody in my family likes it.  But they do
    enjoy beef stew, and it takes me only three hours to cook the
    whole thing.  I love to be in the kitchen.  No one has ever 
    taken me out to lunch just because he wanted to sell me a new
    pension plan."
    
    I must have touched a nerve somewhere because she wouldn't stop.
    
    "Did I tell you I also compact garbage?"
    
    "No, you didn't."
    
    "What I do is take the garbage, put it into the machine and push
    a button, and then it gets compacted into a bag.  But that's not
    all.  When I've crushed enough garbage, I have to take it out of
    the compactor and insert a new bag.  Now do you know what I do?"
    
    "I'm very impressed," I answered.
    
    "It's not as hard as it sounds, especially for those of us who
    went to Radcliffe.  What else would you like to know about me?"
    
    "Do you have any dreams?"
    
    "I dream of a big, strong man coming to my house and saying,
    'I am from the University of Virginia Tau Omega fraternity and
    part of my hazing assignment is to wash all your windows and bathe
    your dog.'  I know it's too much to hope for, but I need something
    to keep me going."
    
    "Have you seen the Gauguin exhibit at the National Gallery?"
    I asked.
    
    "I've been meaning to go, but I have to wallpaper the kids'
    rooms, wait for the piano tuner to turn up, hem my daughter's
    dress and buy a wedding gift for my niece, as well as make
    popcorn for my husband and his friends when they come over to
    watch the baseball playoff game."
    
    "I don't understand why you keep putting yourself down.  You do
    quite a bit for somebody who officially does nothing," I said.
    
    "It's so little compared with that woman over there who is giving
    my husband her business card."
    
        
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72.1it's never easy, butCIVIC::JOHNSTONI _earned_ that touch of grey!Mon Jul 25 1988 12:3616
    
    If one truly feels that one's life is of little value, the choice
    is to either change it or go under.  No one else can take on that
    responsibility.
    
    As to the value of working in the home for no recompense:  There's
    a great deal of value in it. I would not choose it for many reasons,
    but none of them include the concept that such work is valueless.
    
    This woman apparently does not value what she does with her life.
    Taking control of her life and doing soething she _does_ value is
    a better course than bitterly sitting on her duff.
    
      Ann
    
    
72.2consider the sourceDOODAH::RANDALLBonnie Randall SchutzmanMon Jul 25 1988 15:375
    In commenting on this article, we should keep in mind that
    Art Buchwald makes his living by being nasty about everyone
    in sight.  
    
    --bonnie
72.3DANUBE::B_REINKEwhere the sidewalk endsMon Jul 25 1988 15:423
    Remember the base note is supposed to be a humor column.
    
    Bonnie
72.4COUNT::STHILAIREas a group they're weirdMon Jul 25 1988 18:1112
    I think that Art Buchwald is just trying to call attention to the
    fact that society has not valued the housewife.  This woman feels
    this way because nobody else seems to value what she does with her
    life.  You know, when somebody asks you, "What do you do?" you feel
    as though they expect to hear doctor, lawyer, VP of marketing or
    at least engineer.  Even if you do feel good about your own life
    it can be embarrassing (or so I imagine) to say housewife and have
    people act like you do nothing worthwhile.  I sometimes feel the
    same dread and embarrassment at having to say - secretary.
    
    Lorna
    
72.5same experienceMEWVAX::AUGUSTINEPurple power!Mon Jul 25 1988 18:189
    Lorna,
    
    When I was a secretary, I came to hate the question "What do you
    do?" After I'd answer, people would often get a look of disgust
    on their faces, and they'd say "I see. Well, nice chatting with
    you." It apparently didn't occur to them that I could have an
    interesting life (or job) if that was all I did.
    
    Liz
72.6SUPER::HENDRICKSThe only way out is throughMon Jul 25 1988 18:276
    I think Buchwald often uses humor to make a point with people who
    would *never* read an article entitled "Politically Correct Feminist
    Treatise on the Demeaning Nature of Housework as Reflected in the
    Self-Image of the College-Educated Homemaker".
    
    
72.7Manager...CSC32::JOHNSIn training to be tall and blackMon Jul 25 1988 20:139
How about:

"What do you do?"

"I'm a household manager."

Sounds more impressive and I think it is more accurate.

              Carol
72.8Try my 28-hour day...CADSYS::RICHARDSONMon Jul 25 1988 20:305
    While I was reading .0, I kept thinking, "Gee, I do all those things
    AND hold down a 50+ hour a week job - no wonder I get tired out
    sometimes!"  I must say, I'd be kinda bored, too, if things like
    getting the car fixed and finding a sump pump were the ONLY things
    I did. :-)
72.9new titleLEZAH::BOBBITTfestina lente - hasten slowlyTue Jul 26 1988 03:013
    not household manager - domestic engineer...
    
    
72.10NRPUR::GARRETTstrike up the band!Tue Jul 26 1988 12:433
    What is more beautiful than the word "homemaker?"  Anyone today
    who makes a house a "home" should be very proud of it.  Aren't we
    getting too hung up on terminology these days?  
72.11too old for meDOODAH::RANDALLBonnie Randall SchutzmanTue Jul 26 1988 12:4911
    The attempt to coin a term for the person who runs a household has
    a long history in English.  "Home economist" was one from the last
    century; before that there was the "domestic economy". 
    
    Come to think of it, "household engineer" is pretty much what the
    compound "huswif" meant in old English -- one whose profession is
    running the household [compare with "alewif", one whose profession
    is ale]. 

    --bonnie
72.12 "snap" CSSE32::PHILPOTTThe ColonelTue Jul 26 1988 14:466
       When my wife saw the "household engineer" entry she laughed - she
       said that since I am a Software Maintainability Engineer, perhaps
       she is a Household Maintainability Engineer.

       /. Ian .\ and /. Ann .\
72.13too numerous to listPHAROS::SULLIVANLotsa iced tea & no deep thinkin'Tue Jul 26 1988 17:1215
    
    A friend of mine recently made a big job change, and I really liked
    the way she wrote her resume.  She listed the titles of the jobs she had
    held and then listed the responsibilities for each job.  My friend
    had two children, and she left the "work force" until the youngest was in
    school.  For that job she put:
    
    Housewife and Mother 
     responsibilities too numerous to list
                                          
    I thought that was really neat, and everyone who interviewed her
    liked it, too.
                  
    Justine
                          
72.14A book about the role of the houswife in the U.S.PSG::PURMALTough guys do not danceWed Jul 27 1988 17:339
         A woman at San Jose State University recently had her book
    about the decline and fall of the housewife published.  She studied
    how the attitude towards the housewife has changed in the last 100,
    or 200 years.  She had some interesting ideas about how and why
    advertising has changed our view of the housewife.  I only read
    an article about the author and her book in the San Jose Mercury,
    so unfortunately I can't supply the title or author.
    
    ASP
72.15Management takes many forms....STRATA::TEMP3Wed Jul 27 1988 17:5521
    	I used my experiences as a mother/housewife for a major paper
    	in a college Organizational Behavior course.  We had to do
    	a paper on how we would see ourselves as a manager from the
    	perspective of the course.  I had had only the career of
    	mother/housewife as a steady track at that point so approached
    	it from that viewpoint.  I titled the paper "Motherhood as
    	a Management Role" and presented all the stages in career
    	tracking and likened them to the various stages of motherhood.
    	I got to use the paper again for a major paper in an Introduction
    	to Professional Writing course later.  Both times the professor
    	(both males in the 40 year old range) rated my paper with an
    	A and made delightful comments.  The Org Behavior professor
    	had never had the assignment approached that way before.  I
    	even used my kids resumes as Design Projects and gave their
    	start dates as their birth dates (problably should have used
    	the conception dates to be correct)!  This was definitely a
    	case of write what you know!
    
    	justme....jacqui
    
    	ps....am now in a *real* career with a neat boss!  Started 7/18/88.
72.16WOW, I'm impressed jacqui!15767::BARANSKIThe far end of the bell curveWed Jul 27 1988 21:490
72.17sounds neat !SPMFG1::CHARBONNDI get the topFri Jul 29 1988 11:191
    So, Jacqui, how about reprinting it here ?
72.18Thank you, thank you....SCOMAN::GARDNERFri Aug 05 1988 16:1122
    
    
    	re:  .17
    
    	I have it on a floppy.....of course I could run copies for
    	those of you requesting it via Vaxmail.   All I have to do
    	now is find the niche where I stashed it!!!   I am on 
    	SCOMAN::GARDNER.
    
    	re:  .16
    
    	Thanks for the unabashed enthusiasm in your comment on my 
    	entry!
    
    
    	I have been busy here at HLO2 getting adjusted to being a
    	DECie and not "just a temp", so please pardon the lateness
    	of this reply.  
    
    	justme....jacqui
    
    
72.19DSSDEV::JACKMarty JackMon Sep 05 1988 20:215
    < Note 72.9 by LEZAH::BOBBITT >
	not household manager - domestic engineer...

    But these are the parallel job titles depending on if you're technical
    track or management track.