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Conference turris::womannotes-v1

Title:ARCHIVE-- Topics of Interest to Women, Volume 1 --ARCHIVE
Notice:V1 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:873
Total number of notes:22329

382.0. "Premarital Counciling" by PARITY::TILLSON (box of rain) Thu Jul 09 1987 17:40

    
    Since the child support/divorce topic has gone off onto this tangent:
    
    If you are/have been married, did you receive any premarital
    counciling?  If so, where, and by whom?  Has it made a difference
    in your marriage?  
    
    If you are divorced, do you feel that premarital counciling would
    have helped you to avoid getting into a bad marriage, or that it
    would have made your divorce less likely?  If you remarry, will
    you do anything different in terms of premarital counciling/premarital
    agreements?
    
    If you plan to marry, do your plans (either real or hypothetical)
    include premarital counciling?
    
    Where does one go for premarital counciling?  Does one see a therapist,
    a clergyman, or perhaps a lawyer for a premarital contract?  Are
    there local organizations that you know of/would recommend for such
    services?
    
    Please feel free to answer any relevant questions that I've forgotten
    to ask, too :-)
             
    Rita
    
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382.1Pre-Cana experienceFAUXPA::ENOHomesteaderFri Jul 10 1987 13:1826
    My spouse and I were raised as Roman Catholics and were "married
    in the church", so we had to attend Pre-Cana classes sponsored by
    our church.
    
    My opinion (and David's) is that this was a very valuable experience
    for us.  The classes (about eight couples, I recall) were led by
    a married couple and involving a lot of discussion and
    thought-provoking exercises.  
    
    What was so interesting to me was that David and I fought through
    the entire course!  For four (or was it five) weeks of three hour
    sessions, we argued and bickered right in front of all these strangers,
    who seemed to be in perfect agreement ("but we never fight!"). 
    We ended up hashing out a lot of things that were really worth getting
    cleared up -- like how we were going to handle the budget, how soon
    we wanted to have children, the amount of time we wanted to spend
    with in-laws, etc.
    
    I wonder now about those other couples, who never disagreed.  I
    know that the Pre-Cana session really helped us to look at the
    realities of marriage, those practical details that no one thinks
    of when their heads are in the clouds and when they are on their
    best behavior with their spouse-to-be.  I recommend it highly --
    especially to younger couples (we were 26 and 30).
    
    Gloria
382.2Couldn't hurtGEMVAX::DIXONFri Jul 10 1987 19:5223
    My husband (of 3 months) and I 'accidently' fell into premarital
    counseling.
    
    Neither of us were affiliated with any church, so we went to my
    parents church when planning our wedding.  The minister required
    that we meet with her a few times before the wedding to get to know
    us.
    
    During our very first meeting with her (which lasted 3 hours), we
    got into an indepth discussion concerning a problem that Richard
    and I hadn't been able to solve ourselves.  The minister suggested
    we return for more meetings to discuss the problem.
    
    It turned out to be very benificial for both of us.  I must say,
    however, that in order for counseling to work (for us anyway),
    we had to first acknowledgge the problem and secondly realize
    that help was needed.
    
    She was able to look at our problem from a another angle.  We had
    been seeing it in just one way.  She breathed a fresh, new
    perspective into the problem for us - which helped us tremendously.
    
    Dorothy
382.3Engaged EncounterCADSYS::SULLIVANKaren - 225-4096Mon Jul 13 1987 15:2235
    Tom and I went to "Enagaged Encounter", which is similar to "Marriage
    Encounter" only it's geared towards engaged couples (i.e. you don't get
    to sleep together).  It took an entire weekend and was pretty grueling.
    It was run by four married couples who would talk about their
    experiences with various problems.  We were then given questions to
    answer in a notebook and were split up (men in one room, women in
    another).  There we wrote about our feelings and then got together with
    our fiancee and read the other's notebook and then discussed the issue
    at hand.

    Some of the topics were what things about your fiancee annoy you, how do
    you feel your children should be brought up, what rules should you use
    when arguing, etc.  I can't remember all of them.  We found out that
    it's a very good way to express your feelings, since you don't get
    interrupted, and you try not to worry about how it sounds to the other.
    Oh, and there was a topic on what things you really like about your
    fiancee too.  Saturday night, after a long exhausting day, they gave us
    some wine and we had a group discussion.  I think because we were all
    tired, it allowed us to express more feelings and made the group feel
    close.

    Anyways, I recommend it.  We agreed on a lot of issues, and some we
    didn't solve, but at least we know that it will be an issue.  Not
    everyone needs something like this, but it's nice to force yourself to
    take the time to really look at your relationship, even if only to
    confirm what you already knew.  We felt very close after that weekend.
    We will probably take "Marriage Encounter" some day just to renew that
    feeling (and check if we have any new problems). 

    Oh, this "Engaged Encounter" was run by the Catholic Church, but was
    non-denominational in its approach.  I believe most "Marriage
    Encounter"'s are run by the Catholic Church too, but sometimes other
    churches run them too.

    ...Karen
382.4Not just CatholicWEBSTR::RANDALLI'm no ladyMon Jul 13 1987 18:1416
    Marriage Encounter, Engaged Encounter, and the relatively new Family
    Encounter are NOT sponsored by any particular denomination.  Catholic
    churches, with their deep belief in family values, tend to sponsor them
    (and may have invented them?) more often than protestant denominations,
    but I've seen these encounters sponsored by everything from Baptist
    churches to Jewish social organizations. 
    
    Some friends of my parents-in-law, in their sixties, attended a
    marriage encounter sponsored by their synagogue and came away acting
    like a couple of teenagers.  It was wonderful to see how much it
    recharged their relationship.
    
    The encounters do, however, have a religious flavor to them, so they
    tend not to be sponsored by non-religious organizations.  
    
    --bonnie