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Conference turris::womannotes-v1

Title:ARCHIVE-- Topics of Interest to Women, Volume 1 --ARCHIVE
Notice:V1 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:873
Total number of notes:22329

23.0. "On Stigma" by VIKING::TARBET (Margaret Mairhi) Tue May 13 1986 15:39

    < I was asked to enter the following material by the writer, who wishes
    to remain anonymous at present >
    
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		When I was a child at home I didn't quite measure up
		because I was a girl, and girls no matter how good,
		were not quite as good as boys.
		When I was a child in the world, I didn't quite measure up
		because I was a foreigner and a foreigner no matter how good,
		was not quite as good as a native.
		Then I came to America and I didn't quite measure up
		because my language was not as good as that of the natives.
		So then I went to school and my language became good
		and I have a diploma somewhere at home and this is America,
		so now am I good enough?
		There seems to be a curse on those who didn't measure up!
		For now I am a female engineer among male engineers 
		and NATURALLY not quite good enough or simply once again
		in the wrong place: tis now my mannerism and my appearance
		that do me in and I'm wondering did I only imagine that this
		is america and I have a diploma?

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23.1But is it what she wants?RAINBO::HARDYTue May 13 1986 17:1118
It sounds like what the writer really wants is to meet the expectations
of other people.  "Measure up?"   Who made the ruler? 

If it's what she really wants, she is going to be unhappy until she finds
 the right set of people whose expectations she ought to meet.  Indeed,
it is her duty to herself to find whom she ought to to be pleasing.  

If it's not what she really wants, she ought to quit doing it, because it
will drive her bats and nothing substantive will come of it anyway.
It is her duty to herself to find out what SHE wants to do, and to do
it and devil take the rest.

That may sound pretty high and mighty, but what else is there to do?
Anything else is catch-22.  But it can take years.



    
23.2...and you're a woman!MAXWEL::GERDEswing 4 with a jazz beatTue May 13 1986 17:2131
    ON STIGMA really hits home...always being not good enough, when
    you know, through training, experience, successes, etc. that you
    are equal, and at times, better than, those you're measured against.
    
    As a child, I had to babysit younger brothers and sisters, while
    my older brother went out to play.  The explanation?  Girls babysit,
    boys have other things to do.  And in high school I went out for
    the boys tennis team (there was no girls team), just to see if I
    could make it.  I was good enough to make the team, but couldn't
    play on the team, because I might beat the boys.
    
    When it came time for college, I faced yet another unequal situation.
    Older brother went to Boston College, and I was "allowed" to go
    to the local state college...and pay my own way.  The explanation?
    We can't afford to waste money...if you don't do well enough.
    
    Then, in the 70's, I was out in the world, working as a manager
    of a gas station.  What did my customers think?  "How cute!" they
    said, "You're helping your husband."  When I explained that I was
    not helping anyone, that I was the boss, they were aghast! 
    ...But, how can you?  You're a woman!
    
    And as a professional musician for the past 6 years, the comments
    are:  I love the way you play. You're a damn good drummer!...and
    you're a woman.
    
    I seems, as I look back, that whenever I measured up, it was because
    I was just a little better than the boys or men around me...only
    then was that special 'tag line' left off...and you're a woman!
    
    Jo-Ann                  
23.3Illegitimus non carborundumFURILO::BLINNDr. Tom @MROTue May 13 1986 22:3722
        A reasonable response to the "... and you're a woman!" tag
        line might be "Yes, and damned proud of it!".
        
        I grew up with a (manic-depressive) mother and a grandmother, no
        father after the time I was 10 (when my mother and father were
        divorced), and my grandfather suffered a stroke and was bed-ridden
        during the time I was in high school.  My mother never had a good
        word to say about my father; my grandmother rarely had a good word
        to say about any man.  It was not easy growing up, since I had the
        (mis?) fortune to be a boy, which was clearly not very acceptable
        in the eyes of the adults in my family.  Yes, there was some
        favoritism, but it was often directed toward my younger sister,
        who, in the eyes of my mother and grandmother, could do no wrong.
        I survived. 
        
        Each of us has a hard row to hoe, one way or another, and I think
        the greatest miracle is that each of us has made it as far as we
        have.  Be proud of what you've accomplished, and don't let the
        little bastards grind you down. 
        
        Tom
        
23.4thanks for the reminderHBO::HENDRICKSHolly HendricksThu May 15 1986 17:418
    I appreciate the anonymous writer's input, mostly because it serves
    as a good reminder to me that left to my own devices I have a much
    greater intrinsic appreciation for what *I* have suffered, and the
    stigmas I have had to overcome than those that other people struggle
    with every day.  I hope to reach a place where my empathy and
    understanding, based on the experiences I have had, can serve as
    a bridge to understanding what other people all around me have to
    contend with.