Conference turris::womannotes-v1

    Thankyou Martin - a lovely way to start the day :-)

    Nice, Martin.  Snide, but nice.

    I like it.  Happy Day, Men!
    
              Carol

    What a coincidence - it's the same day as April Fool's Day!
    
    	-Ellen

    But surely this should not be considered to be intentional :-)

    I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank men for war and
    violent crime, pornography, AND last, but not least, football.
    
    Thanks, guys, what would my life be without them ???
    
    Lorna
    

    FYI,

    The VAX Notes group is a man AND 2 women.

    [2 Developers and a Writer].

    What is it they say?

    Behind every great man is a woman?

    THanks to all those MOMs who delivered/invented???? these wonderful
    men........Happy Men Day :-)
    
    bs
    

    WHO is James Tiptree, Jr.?

    re: .11 
    
    James Tiptree, Jr. is a pen name for a woman 
    science fiction author.

    
    
    think there is any correlation between Hallmark's picking this day
    and men..................
    
    Maybe a woman made this holiday!
    
    :^)
    
    Debbi

>    Behind every great man is a woman?


Actually, the correct quote is "Behind every great man is an asshole."

M.

    Just read "Brightness Falls from The Sky" by Tiptree.
    Excellent. 
    Why would a woman use a male nom_de_plume ? The SF field
    has many fine authors who happen to be female. They don't
    seem discriminated against. Kate Wilhelm comes to mind.

< Note 261.16 by ARMORY::CHARBONND >
                              -< Live and learn >-

    >        Why would a woman use a male nom_de_plume ? The SF field
    >has many fine authors who happen to be female. They don't
    >seem discriminated against. 

    		Not now, but they used to be.  James Tiptree, Jr.  has
    been writing a LONG time and when she first broke into the field,
    it was necessary to use the male name to get published.
    
    I'll have to see if I can dig up the artivle I have of her and her
    explanation of the name choice.  (No promises.   Who knows where
    the @#$#% it is?!)
    
    tlh
    

    re: .9
    
    Sisters are doing it for themselves!!!!! (per Annie Lennox and Aretha
    Franklin)
    
    CC
    
    

    
    
    
    
    
        "A fool, A fool, that man's a fool, who wears a wooden sword."
    
    
    
    
    
    

    re .17
    
    Actually Alice Seldon (James Tiptree) is a fairly recent 
    addition to science fiction (i.e. no more that 10 to 12 years
    ago at the most) and she began writing when there were a lot
    of well established and well accepted women writers in the
    field (like Ursula LeGuinn and Marion Zimmer Bradley). At
    the time there was a support group for women writers (mostly
    by means of round robin letters if I remember correctly) that
    Tiptree/Seldon joined and then was asked to leave because (s)he
    wasn't a woman - rather than "blow her cover" she quit.
    
    Tiptree/Seldon (she also writes under the name of Racoona Seldon
    worked for many years in the intelligence field. She chose the
    pen name largely out of a desire to keep her personal and public
    personnas separate and because she enjoyed the challenge of 
    creating a separate identity.
    
    She was finally "discovered" because the biolographical data
    she gave as Tiptree gave her away. She had lead such a unique
    life that someone was able to make the connection between
    James Tiptree and Alice Seldon.
    
    It is quite interesting that as James Tiptree she has both
    been praised for "his" unique ability to portray women, and
    been accused of being a sexist male who had no understanding
    of what it means to be a woman.
    
    Two of the earliest short stories of hers that I remember are
    "Your Haploid Heart" and "The Women Nobody Sees".
    
    Bonnie

    I heard a good one:
    
    "The best man for the job is a woman"

    
    re: .17
    
    Not very helpful, but I'm almost sure the article you're thinking
    about is in an issue of IASFM.  I know that they ran a rather lengthy
    article about her once.
    
    DFW

    Did you know that James Tiptree also used to give speaches at SF
    conventions and would act/dress/pretend to be a man?  She apparently
    was able to pull it off.
    
    One of the major reasons she used an assumed name was because her
    mother disapproved of SF.  She was afraid that if she used a female
    name and appeared in public her mother would recognize her.
    
    Elizabeth
    

    Well I have a picture of her on the back of her book The
    Starry Rift and she looks like a pretty sexy looking grandmother.
    But I could also see that she could also disguise herself
    to look like a man.
    
    Bonnie

    Alice Seldon (James Tiptree Jr.) recently killed herself and her
    husband. He was blind and had become bed ridden. There is an article
    in the obituary pages in today's Globe. 

    <== what a horrible loss.  At least we have her writing...
    
    Lee

    	Aha!  I've had the article from IASFM sitting on my desk for
    weeks now while I tried to find the note this was in.  (BTW, Thanks
    for reminding me where I saw the article, DFW.)
    
    < Note 261.20 by YAZOO::B_REINKE "the fire and the rose are one" >
                      -< Alice Seldon/James Tiptree Jr. >-
>    Actually Alice Seldon (James Tiptree) is a fairly recent 
>    addition to science fiction (i.e. no more that 10 to 12 years  
>    ago at the most) and she began writing when there were a lot
>    of well established and well accepted women writers in the
>    field (like Ursula LeGuinn and Marion Zimmer Bradley). 

 	  Actually :-), this marks her 20th year writing as Tiptree.
    She first wrote under that name in 1967.  As for women being well
    established in SF at that time, whether or not it was true, she
    apparently did not think so, for in her own words the reason she
    took a male name to write under was: "A male name seemed like good
    camouflage.  I had the feeling that a man would slip by less observed.
    *I've had too many experiences in my life being the first woman
    in some damned occupation.; even when I wasn't the first woman,
    I was part of a group of first women.*"  (emphasis mine.)  "I saw
    the name on some jam pot.  Ting was with me; I said, "James Tiptree"
    and he says "Junior!"  It was done without consious thought; but
    I suppose I couldn't have avoided having the thought - although
    I don't remember it - that *the editor would take my stories more
    seriously*."                                           
    
    	Interestingly enough, she apparently has had suicide in mind
    as an option for quite a while.  In this 1983 article she says, "...I
    wrote "Slow Music," which reads like a funeral march, a goodbye.
    And I meant it that way.  I thought I was through, and, typically,
    I was going to kill myself...."      
    
    	This article also mentions that she had recently had open heart
    surgery, so it would appear that her health, as well as her husband's
    was a factor.
    
    tlh
    
    

    For those of you without stacks of old IASFM, I have copies of the
    Sheldon interview.  It's about 7000 words.  I'm too lazy to type
    it in, but I will send you a copy if you send me email.  I recommend
    it.