Conference yukon::christian_v7

RE: <<< Note 816.0 by NETCAD::WIEBE "Garth Wiebe" >>>

	That's pretty much what I remember about it, though I cannot
	remember from whom.  The pockets full of posies were to help offset
	the stench emitted by the victims.  All though your verse says
	"Ashes, ashes," I remember hearing "Achoo, achoo," as the victim
	would succumb after a sneezing fit.

	TonyC

    
    	I believe it was from the smallpox epidemic, and that the
    	ashes, ashes referred to the burning of the dead bodies (too
    	many to bury ?)
    
    	Karen
    

    Gosh, that is awful. I never knew! All those years as  child singing the
    song in the playground. I doubt my parents even knew what they were
    teaching us.  Why would anyone want to make a childrens song out of
    something so morbid?  To this day I don't understand the Rock-a-bye
    baby song!  Gosh I feel so ignorant! Now you're gonna tell me there's
    no Santa too huh? (Just kidding)
    
    Rose

      For some reason, I thought it was the bubonic plague.
    
      Perhaps because it seems to be the most famous one.

    I thought it had to do with the Bubonic Plague in Europe. 

    I didn't realize that this nursery rhyme had such morbid beginnings
    either.  Hmmmm and come think of it, why must the baby fall down?
    And why did that spider scare miss muffett?  And did pumpkin eater lose
    his wife because he was fat?  That's really sad too.  Come to think of
    it, Mother Goose, sounds like Mother horror when you think about it...
    and the old witch who ate kids in the woods... brrrr, shiver me
    timbers!

Mother Goose was political satire.  It was about real people of the time.

/john

	A few years back some good friends gave us a copy of "Christian
	Mother Goose."  I haven't read it in a while, so I don't know how
	I would look at it today, but I do remember one that made my wife
	and I laugh.

		Hickory, dickory, dock.
		The church mouse ran up the clock,
		The clock struck ten,
		The mouse said, "Amen!"
		Hickory, dickory, dock.
		

>     <<< Note 816.7 by JULIET::MORALES_NA "Sweet Spirit's Gentle Breeze" >>>

>    Mother Goose, sounds like Mother horror when you think about it...
>    and the old witch who ate kids in the woods... brrrr, shiver me
>    timbers!

    I heard just recently that Mother Goose didn't actually write the
    rhymes.  In fact, Mother Goose wasn't her real name.  She merely made a
    collection of rhymes and after her death a family member found the
    collection and had them published as Mother Goose's nursery rhymes.

    Here is a variation of one mentioned earlier:

	Hickory, Dickory, Dock
	Three mice ran up the clock
	The clock struck one...


	and the other two escaped with minor injuries!

    Ron

    I always heard it was the Bubonic Plague as well.

      Hi,
    
        Isn't the three little pigs a neat story with Christian 
        applications.  I mean, here we are, laden with sinful
        flesh so we could consider ourselves unclean in a way.
    
        So we have choices to make.  Build out of straw or wood
        or brick.  Surely, the house built of brick is built on
        the rock.
    
        Then when the wolf unleashes the storm, we find which 
        house stands.
    
        Oh, come to think of it, the other two little pigs went
        to the brick house.  I guess it doesn't make sense that
        way!

I think that's only in the cleaned-up version of the story.  I think in the
original, the wolf ate the two other little pigs.

They didn't hesitate making stories grim and gruesome back then.

Paul

    
    	You're right, it was bubonic plague.  I was just testing you all.
    	You passed ;-)
    

    Okay let's see, uhm... what is behind this rhyme?
    
    3,6,9 the goose drank wine
    the monkey chewed tobacca on a streetcar line
    the line broke and the monkey got choked
    and they all went heaven in a little row boat!

    Well you got me on that one.  Never heard of it before. 
    What kind of wine went with the goose, red or white? Haha
    
    I think I'm going to start paying more attention to the songs I sing
    to my kids.  At least I know the christians songs are nothing to
    worry about.
    
    

RE .15

	Nancy,

	Is it clapping hands, or kissing a soldier?.

	Sorry, don't know what's behind this rhyme
	but I did enjoy dancing to this song on Saturday.


	Phil. 

    
    
    	It's not "ashes, ashes,
    		  we all fall down"
    
    	It's "atishoo, atishoo,
    	      we all fall down"
    
    	'atishoo' - as in to sneeze.
    
    	Sneezing was the first signs of the bubonic plague.
    
    	Peace,
    
    		Tom

      re: .15
    
      I think Blanche Dubois sang this near the end of 'A Streetcar
      Named Desire' after she lost all her marbles!!
    
      Well, I tried!!!
    
    						Tony