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Conference yukon::christian_v7

Title:The CHRISTIAN Notesfile
Notice:Jesus reigns! - Intros: note 4; Praise: note 165
Moderator:ICTHUS::YUILLEON
Created:Tue Feb 16 1993
Last Modified:Fri May 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:962
Total number of notes:42902

879.0. "Who is Babylon the Great?" by SNLV01::FLECKBOB () Thu Apr 04 1996 05:22

    Can anyone explain who Babylon the Great is. The book of Revelation
    seems to mention it many times. Can I have some bible references please
    to help me understand how you came to that conclusion.
    Thanks and regards, Bob 
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879.1ICTHUS::YUILLEHe must increase - I must decreaseThu Apr 04 1996 10:2970
879.2PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallThu Apr 04 1996 16:1812
    Just to extrapolate on what Andrew said, Babylon was never really
    destroyed as Isaiah and Revelation describe.  A lot of scholars think
    that it will be rebuilt, which Saddam Hussein has been doing for the
    last 20 years (I have pictures of some of the buildings and projects). 
    Saddam has even offered wealth for life for anyone who could duplicate
    Nebuchadnezzar's hanging gardens.
    
    I tend to agree with the literal Babylon view.  Both Iran/Iraq are
    currently stockpiling military & nuclear weapons from Russia.  They now
    have the technology to force themselves into a greater position.
    
    Mike
879.3metaphorDYPSS1::DYSERTBarry - Custom Software DevelopmentThu Apr 04 1996 16:3610
879.4stil confusedSNLV01::FLECKBOBTue Apr 09 1996 05:0720
    It could not be the ancient Baylon the Great because Revelation was
    written at the end of the first century and describes events yet to
    happen.
    Ancient Babylon was destroyed, wether or not Sadam Hussain will ever
    succeed in rebuilding it or not, time will tell but for now we must
    consider it as destroyed.
    It can't be the commercial empires of the world or even the superpowers
    of the world because both are said to be morning her destruction which
    is yet to come. Both the mergants and the kings have been having
    dealings (fornications) with her which again indicates some kind of
    third party. Who today is getting rich by having dealings with both
    governments and the commercial giants? Rev 17:1-5
    Rev 18:21 talks about her/its destruction and warns us to get out of
    her if we don't want to be destroyed with her/it. It must be some kind
    of organisation that we as people can belong to. I don't think its a
    political party. Hoever she/it is, we don't want to be there when she/it
    gets destroyed. I am convinced it must be symbolic for something as
    most of the book of revelation is something that was given to John in a
    dream.
    
879.5Willing to Be A Tad DirectYIELD::BARBIERITue Apr 09 1996 11:1025
      Ultimately, Babylon is a religious form that is an apostasy from
      the pure and that won't ever be pure, but will someday be so dark
      that there will be no light in her at all.  (I say this because
      I believe some can be saved within Babylon at the *present* time.)
    
      My belief is that salvation is from sin and that one of the hallmark
      characteristics of Babylon's theology is that we can never overcome
      sin by the blood of the Lamb, i.e. the love of Christ could never 
      motivate us to perfectly obey Him.
    
      I don't mind saying this as this is the Christian Conference and
      you asked.  The whore of Babylon, at the very least, is inclusive
      of the Roman Catholic Church - by that I don't mean her individual
      members, but rather its ecclesiastical set-up.  The papacy, etc.
    
      But, if you check Isaiah 4, all 7 women have the bread how they want
      it.  All churches return to the whore.
    
      Anyway, I thought I ought give a direct answer to your direct
      question.   If there are any Catholics reading, I am sorry if I
      have offended you.  I am not saying you are not Christian.
    
    						Tony
    
      
879.6PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallTue Apr 09 1996 16:198
    Babylon was never destroyed as Isaiah prophesied.  Those prophecies are
    still waiting to be fulfilled.
    
    The Roman Empire was never really conquered either.  It just sort of
    fizzled out.  This is one of the reasons why it is expected to make a
    comeback under the name of the EUC.
    
    Mike