Conference yukon::christian_v7

    Did you have a question, or were just making a statement?  I personally
    don't see anything wrong with going into notes on your break, or after
    hours.  And I certainly don't see anything sick about it.  Thats going
    a bit far in my opinion.  Now, if your in notes the entire time your at
    work, that would possibly be construed (?) as abusing company time I
    suppose.  
    
    dlh

    	You have to understand that this is an international network. 
    	When you are working at your business day, Australia is at
    	home, and those folks are quite likely doing their noting on
    	their own time, perhaps dialed in from home.
    
    	Regarding your "characteristics" list:
    
>	- They make _no_ meaningful impact for the Corporation~?!
    
    	Your sources for this claim?
    
>	- They spend more time in notes than actually working~?!
    
    	Sources?
    
>	- They have _nothing_ better to do, and that is _all_ they do?!
    
    	Sources?
    
>	- You just cannot shut them up, - so it ain't worth trying to?!
    
    	Please don't get the impression that I want you to shut up!  :^)
               
    ---------
    
    	We see entries like this from time to time.  Some day people will
    	realize that chit-chat in notes is little different from chit-
    	chat around the water cooler.

    Another comment to make here is... There are many who have windowing
    workstations. Several things can happen at any given time. The nature
    of some employees work is such there are some gaps between customer
    call or what ever.... Notes keeps me at my desk rather than wondering
    around, missing the next customer call....
    
    Not appologizing for noting, just stating some facts.!
    
    

    Bob, it's obvious that the basenoter doesn't know much about technology
    or the vastly different types of jobs in DEC.

Greg,
  Were you the anonymous person who sent all my notes to Bob Palmer?
Did you intend to get me fired or disciplined?

  If you hadn't read it elsewhere, the head of corporate human relations
did investigate my job performance and found my record "clean."  That's
how he characterized it.  It is a fact that I do exemplary work at times
and have the accolades of both my peers and the people for whom I do the 
job, the engineers.  John Murphy, (the aforementioned head of HR) said, 
"this is not a high school."  He went on to say that if my work performance
was lacking, then "we'd be having a different conversation."

  Perhaps you should examine what it is this employer asks of you.

  You want Scripture?  How about the man who buried his talent.  This person
repaid the master with exactly what he was entrusted with.  Why was the
master angry?

  It's not about "putting in your time" but "doing your job and adding value."
The other people were commended for investing their talents and doubling
them; making a profit.  If you want to judge people according to what you 
see, then take a look at job performance and come back to us and report.
Otherwise, you miss the mark by a good half (or more) of the story.

Mark Metcalfe

    I find it interesting that the author of this basenote a few weeks back
    deleted ALL of his numerous entries into this conference prior to
    writing .0. ... hmmmmmm
    
    Interesting indeed.
    
    Nancy
    

    
    What a pathetically hateful note!  Even worse, its probably to assuage
    his own guilt for doing that which he has judged others of doing.
    
    things are worse for Mr. Griffis than I thought!
    
    jeff

	Greg,
	How do you know these things are happening ?
	You must be spending quite a lot of time reading this
	and other conferences to know who to point fingers at...

	

>    I find it interesting that the author of this basenote a few weeks back
>    deleted ALL of his numerous entries into this conference prior to
>    writing .0. ... hmmmmmm

Backup copies do not mean that information is lost.  And beyond this, 
more controversial notes are probably extracted for safekeeping.
As Foghorn Leghorn would say, "Fortunately I keep my feathers numbered
for just such an occasion."

I find it quite enjoyable living with myself.

Mark

	Wow Greg, even that one amazed me. Like others have said, you might
want to look at the jobs people are performing. Mark is a good example at how
what looks to be a bad apple really isn't. A work record of clean tells me that
someone had it out for him, but didn't do their homework.


Glen

    why anyone even bothered to respond (intelligently) to this note is
    beyond me - it just gave the rise the basenoter was probably looking
    for....put the mouse in front of the cat, stand back and watch em'
    go.....no thanks.
    
    karen

    Benefit the corporation? I think so in some shape or form. I'm a silent
    reader because I don't have much time to write. Now that I have
    
    	1. Wolfed down my lunch 
    	2. taken care of some work
    	3. prepared for my 1pm meeting (that I lead)
    	4. I can read this note conference for some inspiration.
    
    All in my 1 hour lunch time. And I think I can lead my meeting now
    with a little more confidence  (being that my day has not gone well
    so far) and have it progress beautifully.
    
    Thanks to all and God Bless you.
                                   
    Rose

Thanks Rose!  It's always an encouragement to hear from someone who 
doesn't usually get time to write, but likes to dip and read...

May the LORD bless [the rest of] your day, and particularly your meeting 
richly...

							Andrew

I forwared my note to Mr. Griffis but have received no reply.

      Hi Greg,
    
        I tried real hard to glean from your note otherwise I
        wouldn't have been able to profit by it.  Thanks!  (but
        you could have written it a tad differently methinks!!)
    
        Andy, beautiful as usual.
    
        Mark, Foghorn was always one of my favorites!!

	Howdy,

	I would have to agree with Greg that in some cases people do appear
	to be taking advantage of noting.  I too, fall into the case of 
	perhaps spending more time (mostly a reader only) than I should. 
        All the base note to me is stating is that those people who do seem
	to take advantage of Digital by spending an exuberant amount of time 
	in notes know who they are, and it is wrong. Is it unreasonable for 
	Greg, to simply state what the spiritural implications are for a 
	persons not to do their work.
	
	I can see the points that most people make, I note on my own time, 
	lunch time, breaks, etc.. and from what I've seen that is true, but 
	that is not always the case.  He has simply pointed out a spiritual 
	law, God intends us to work, and to work as unto Him.  Is spending a 
	lot of a persons work hours noting edifing God..? I guess to some 
	degree and circumstance it can be, when people in need get ministered 
	to.  I don't know if I can agree with a chit-chat note.  Is it 
	really necessary to have conversations on the tube?
	
	How about Digital?   Yes, Christians are blessed with the use of a 
	notesfile.  Where do we draw the line as to what is taking advantage 
	of our employer?  This is not only a question for this conference but 
	to all conferences.  I guess Digital must monitor the notesfiles and 
	is responsible to draw the line.  Mark M. I liked your reply about the 
	man who buried his talent and profited nothing for his master.  
	
	I think the base note also states that, in a way, we should 
	all take a look at ourselves in regards to noting.  I believe the 
	outline of the basenote is a good scriptural reference for working, 
        (except for the last section) and should not be taken lightly.     
	So far, to me it says we should work and not be slothful, work as 
	unto the Lord, and that work should benefit our employer (MM) as well 
        as our Lord.  I am curious to know, what others may consider to be 
	good work ethics.  

	Just my $.02 worth,
		
	Richard

	Richard, did the basenote make you think Greg was excluded from this
group he is talking about? I know it struck me that way. IF, this is the case,
he may have to start looking for that log in his eye.....


Glen

Hello Richard, 

The theory behind the base note is right in principle.  We should be good
stewards, and test ourselves continually, against our use of things like
notes.  However .0 wasn't expressed as stating a principle.  It was written
as an accusation.  The list of characteristics is targetted at individuals,
whose responsibility is to steward their own time before the LORD.  You
explicitly exclude the last section from your observation, but it is that
last section which spoke loudest to a lot of people, and made them feel
personally accused, not because it gave voice to the Holy Spirit, but
because man's judgement was being applied.  The first paragraph also made
it clear that this was a personally directed accusation. 

Had this been seen by the moderators first, it is likely that it would have
been set hidden as transgressing guidelines - being a personal attack.
However, once replies had come in, it needed to be dealt with out in the
open.  The big issue of the topic then turned out to be, not the matter of
principle, as to where the boundary of ethical noting lies, but the ethics
of judging others' noting practices. 

					God bless
							Andrew

    RE: .18 
    
    Glenn, I did not think Greg was excluded, but it did seem to be a
    directed topic.
    
    RE: .19
    
    Andrew Hi,  I can definately see your point as to how it wasn't laid
    out as a principle.  Also why the moderators would have write-locked
    the topic.  It still surpizes me, that it has been write-locked as yet.
    
    Shalom,
    Richard

      Hi Rich,
    
        I basically believe that even criticism is supposed to 
        be given in a Christlike spirit and style.  Content must
        include the backdrop of the character of Christ else it
        simply does not bear the divine imprint rather the imprint
        of the evil one.
    
        You might go far defending the objective content.  I don't
        think you'll get anywhere trying to defend the style or the
        'obvioussness' of the presence of agape.
    
                                                 Tony

    RE: .22
    
    Tony,
    
    If you, or anyone else thinks I'm defending Greg's style of writing
    you would be mistaken.  I do not condone his style of writing, and
    have asked him to try to word his notes differently.  I try to look
    beyond his 'rough style' (to put it lightly), and try to see what
    he is trying to say.  Sorry if I confused anyone.
    
    Richard

    re: -1
    
      Hi Rich,
    
        Then I agree 100% with you!
    
                                            Tony