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Conference yukon::christian_v7

Title:The CHRISTIAN Notesfile
Notice:Jesus reigns! - Intros: note 4; Praise: note 165
Moderator:ICTHUS::YUILLEON
Created:Tue Feb 16 1993
Last Modified:Fri May 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:962
Total number of notes:42902

562.0. "God is in control..." by ROMEOS::SHALLOW_RO (If is such a big word) Mon Sep 12 1994 04:22

    I would like to present a question that has long bothered me, and
    submit it to you, the wiser, and more knowledgeable, for your comments.
    
    There is a song on a local Christian radio station titled "God is in
    control". Although I'm aware the Lord knows when a leaf falls and hits
    the ground, is He also in control of it's breaking off, before its
    decent? What is (are) the scriptural basis for the statement "God is in
    control", and how much "in control" of *everything* is He? How much is
    left up to his creation, allowing for free will?
    
    Thank you,
    
    Bob
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562.1ICTHUS::YUILLEThou God seest meMon Sep 12 1994 11:5046
562.2Agape Relinquishes (some) ControlYIELD::BARBIERIMon Sep 12 1994 12:3310
      Hi Bob,
    
        I believe that because God is love, He created such that
        His creation has free will.  And in that, it is clear that
        in some respects, agape relinquishes control.  
    
        God did not design for Lucifer or any other created being
        to sin even once.
    
                                                 Tony
562.3PEKING::ELFORDPDouble Bassists have more pluckMon Sep 12 1994 13:0620
         Yes, interesting one Bob.
         
         I'm not convinced that "control" is the issue here, as I believe 
         that "ultimate responsibility" is inextricably linked to the 
         concept. Tony is right in his implication that God, the master 
         Creator and Designer of Heaven and Earth set the principles and 
         cycles in motion. Were it not for the fall, this earth would most 
         likely be in a vastly different state. As it is Man has meddled, 
         sometimes with the best of intentions - but sometimes, oftentimes 
         in fact, in either ignorance or blatant greed, with the Divinely 
         ordained principles. 
         
         Having said this though, God still holds and owns the ultimate 
         responsibility.
         
         
         >>I doubt even they could count up the ones that remain, 
         	minor divergence: I'm working on it &rew! :-)
         
         Paul
562.4Love that song!ODIXIE::HUNTMon Sep 12 1994 14:5423
    And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to
    those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 
    For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the
    image of His Son, that He might be the first-born among many brethren;
    and whom He predestined, these He also called; and whom He called,
    these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also
    glorified.
    				Romans 8:28-30
    
    But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved
    us.  For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor
    principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor
    height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to
    separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
    				Romans 8:37-39
    
    Why do we have free will?  Its because God has GIVEN us free will.  He
    is still in control.
    
    Love in Him,
    
    Bing	
    
562.5fwiw - the hymn writer of our generationFRETZ::HEISERMaranatha!Mon Sep 12 1994 16:591
    That's a Twila Paris song.