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    Are you using a good quality line? I myself dont have a problem
    with my line twisting so i dont think/believe side arm is a factor
    because i fish side arm RT to LFT and LFT to RT under hand and over
    hand with still no problem. I do change my line atleast twice (min)
    per season.
    What LB test are you fishing?
    
    					(Gill_Raker)                    

    	My line twists from the use of in-line spinners.  Put a swivel on
    it.  Maybe that'll stop the line twist.
    
    	Swivel

    
    
    
                  The swiv is correct (did I say that?).One of
                  the best is the barrel swivel.
    
    
                                          The Keg

      Fishing with a Texas-rigged plastic worm for Bass is one way that
    it's impossible NOT to have line twist. A swivel is not an option using
    this method...you just do not use one!.
    
      You just get used to cutting 30-40 feet of rat's-nest out of your
    line now and then...but since most Bass are caught within 30 feet of
    your line, a 250 yard spool lasts a long time..
    
      If anyone ever comes up with a way to eliminate line twist, they'll
    become VERY wealthy..
    
     JM

    I'm not trying to be sarcastic but did you put the line on the real the
    correct way, it does make a difference.  
    
    			Bart Lasky

    If your careful about rigging a plastic worm or grub, you should not 
    have much line twist.  With properly rigged lures, baitcasters seldom
    have problems with line twist.
    
    For spinning rods, reeling against the drag is sure way to screw up
    your line.  Other than that, be careful to rig your plastics straight
    and they should not twist your line too much.
    
    I only use spinning reels with light line and change it often. 
    
    -donmac
      

It happens  all the time worms and gitzits do it bad!

I just drag the line and then stretch it.  Stretch it really does the
trick..

This assumes you put it on correct.  Even then you still get some twists.

Bassin Bob

oh NO NOT STRECTH TRI-MAX lines, it turns into a spring!

Keep your gitzits and worms tied to the same rods; at least those will be the
only ones with line twist problems.  Just a couple of reel lines being changed 
or stretched or dragged behind the boat with no lure is attached is better than
doing it for all of them.
My crank bait rod and reel hasn't had a line twist problem on it yet.
The above are spinning rods.  I don't have line twist problems with my bait-
casters.

Mike_L

    After using a spinner, if any line twist is noticeable, put on a 
    Rapala (with a swivel, of course). The Rapala will not roll like
    a spinner, will track straight, and your twist problems will
    vanish. A spinner will produce the most twist when trolled too
    fast.

    ...but that's the funny part of the whole twisting thing. I don't yet
    have the skills to fish rubber worms or gitzits (whatever that is). 
    This happens with rapala's or rebels because that's mostly what I use.
    I mostly use top water bait,,and might use a jig if I get desperate.
    
    	I use 8 lb. test line (Trilene XL) but have tried heavier and
    lighter to correct the problem,,,,,no difference.
    
    	I have to really rock back and throw had to cast far with my
    gear,but my Father-In-Law's pole,,the line peels of with no effort.
    
    MY view......as the line comes off the reel it makes too big of a loop
    which does not allow it to fit thru the eye causing the line to slow
    making the weight of the Repala have to wait for more line causing it
    to circle head over heels. I think this is the cause but I can't
    determine--1st eye too small or spool head too big. 
    
    	I have vacation all next week to learn rubber worms and maybe even
    buy another pole and reel.........CAN'T WAIT!!!!

    
    
    	Could you tell us what reel model and what rod model you are using.
    	This may help.  Also, as Bart said...it may be the way you are
    	spooling the line.
    
    	Hurry up....you don't want to spend you vacation with twisted line.
    
    	Gitzit'  call_and_I_will_tell_you_what_one_is.
    

    I know of only 3 reason why you get line twist. First it only 
    happens on spinning rigs.
    
    1. You put the line on backwards. (taking it off the spool in the wrong
    direction.)
    2. The LURE is turning on the retrieve. 
    3. Your turning against the drag. In other words, the spinning reel 
    handle is turning, no line is being taken in -- the drag is not tight
    enough.. If you fighting a fish that big, play him and take in line
    when it become available. BET THIS is your more likely cause.
    
    jack

    I agree with the last, from the sounds of it I'll bank money your
    loading up your reel wrong.
    
    One of the easiest ways but a tad more expensive is take your reel to a
    tackle shop and have them load it up.
    
    brian

>    MY view......as the line comes off the reel it makes too big of a loop
>    which does not allow it to fit thru the eye causing the line to slow
>    making the weight of the Repala have to wait for more line causing it
>    to circle head over heels. I think this is the cause but I can't
>    determine--1st eye too small or spool head too big. 

 This is clearly a problem but it may not be the cause of your line twist
woes. Make sure that your line is filled within about 1/8" of the side of the 
spool. Unless your rod and reel are clearly unmatched, part of your problem
may be that you don't have enough line on the spool.

 The Doctah

    Rapalas are fairly light for their size and therefore tough to cast.
    Buy yourself an ultralight matched spinning outfit and use no more than
    6# line and you'll be able to cast a LOT further.
    
    Chris

    
    
      Try a ball bearing barrel swivel about 4 foot from the end of the
    line. that helps me alot for line twist on my open face salmon pole.
    and when you got a 25 lb king on you can only run the drag so much and
    you have no choice but reel against the drag.
    
                                hope this helps you out..
    
                                                    Lee
    
    

We still don't know what kind of rig you are using.  But it still sounds
like you are putting it on wrong.

	For spinning put the spool flat on the floor.  Label up.
Put on about 20 cranks, then stop.  Let the line loose, and if it is twisted
turn the spool over.  You will get some but not much.  Once you have it spooled
go out side, tie it to something then let out 2 cast distances or so.  
Stretch the line until you feel it is about to break.  Then wind it back on.

Make sure the line does not touch the grass or road.  This will cause
nicks.

Good lUck bassin BOb

oh if it is a baitcaster or conventional reel.  Put the spool in a pencil and
pull it over the top by letting the spool turn.

    So the consensus is winding the line on wrong or backward.
    What can I say,,,I'm a lefty and I have to do everything backwards
    (^8 SEE. 8^) there,,that's better.
    
    I've read about placing the spool on the ground with the label up,,,, 
    etc.. but I did not put much belief in this. It would seem after first
    cast the line would be wound back on the spool every-which-way anyway.
    I will however do it the correct way and see what happens. Now that I
    think of it,,the reason for using Trilene is the first time I switched
    to it my line did not twist for months. Maybe I lucked out and put it
    on the correct way be accident.
    
    I'll try it next week and report the results.....................
    
                                       -Steve

As far as you thoughts that the guide is too small...

I just went through the same thing. I could hear the line (!) rubbing
against the first guide on every cast with one of my boron rods, and I
didn't get the same distance as with my other rods. Yes, on that rod the
first guide is smaller than I'd like.

So two weeks ago I went to Zyla's and bought a Quantum SL3 reel. Two
reasons: this reel has a relatively small diameter spool, but it's an
extended, slightly conical spool; and, I was sick of the Silstar reeling
the line onto the spool-release pushbutton. The SL3 reel is one of
Zebco's entries into the latest long-cast reel trend. Besides the
different spool design, the line is wrapped on the spool differently.
It's wrapped closely as the spool is going one way, and widely spaced as
it's going the opposite direction.  The idea is, the friction is reduced
during the cast. (The line is no tighter on the spool, the wraps are just
closer together.)

Well, with the smaller diameter spool, the line comes off the spool in
smaller coils. I can no longer hear the line rubbing during the cast, and
I have indeed picked up a *lot* of distance. I'd say 20 to 25% more,
consistently.

Art

    I had this same thing happen to me once when I tried some co-filament
    line.  The line was too limp and did not stretch at all to conform to
    the spool.  When I flipped the bail open, the line just fell off the
    reel in open coils - make a cast, and the open coils wrap around the
    first guide and CHOKE.  I switched back to a regular fishing line and
    things went back to normal.
    
    Ken

    You just described "perfectly" what happens when you put the
    line on wrong. 
    
    
    
                                               Jeff (Captain)
                                               Team Starcraft

      Re .18
      
      WRONG!! I'm a leftie too..and that ain't a good excuse... The way the
    line comes off the spool and onto the reel has a LOT to do with
    everything. Line takes a "set" while it's spooled---whether that's on a
    new supply spool or on your reel. If the spool is wound one direction
    and you put it on the reel in the opposite direction, it will make a
    loop when it's slack...and this WILL contribute to line twist. 
    
      The spinning reel and plastic worm rigged Texas style without a
    swivel will always cause some line twist, but this can be minimized by
    switching off and throwing a 1/2 or 3/4 ounce spinner-bait abot every
    half hour and fast retreiving it for about 10 minutes. (I use 14 to 20
    pound mono on a medium-heavy to heavy cue stick...try to stick with
    "Stren" for the most part..) This has a tendency to re-stretch the line
    and cause it to lose whatever "set" it's taken.
    
      Getting back to the "Lefty" syndrome:: There ARE some real "plusses"
    to being a lefty...back before the reversible reels became popular, I
    had a Mitchell 301...but it wa a 301"L"...and I NEVER had anyone try to
    "borrow" my tackle... A few TRIED, but after the first attempt to cast,
    I'd get it back with this amazed and disgusted look.. Noe however, the
    switch is as simple as unscrewing the handle and putting it on the
    opposite way....but I still get those looks.. Gone are those days
    though, of fishing with those common, old "RIGHTY" reels....upside down
    and reeling backwards..
    
    John Mc

    Here's the way I spool-up line for my open-face reels;

		1 - remove the spool from the reel and strip off at lease the
			first 60/70 yards of line

		2 - find (make) a wooden dowle(sp) of the propper diameter and
			wedge the spool onto it TIGHTLY

		3 - chuck the dowle/spool combo into my variable speed
			reversable electric drill.

		4 - mount the bulk spool on a sutable axil

		5 - verify the rotation (clock/counterclock)wise and attach
			the bulk line such that both the bulk spool and the
			reel spool will be spinning in the same direction

		6 - spinn up the line using my fingers for both tension and
			leveling.

	Note: soaking the bulk spool in a bucket o' water for a few hours
		prior will greatly reduce the degree of memory


JW-FWTWMTWBTWIH(M)

    FIXED IT!!!
    
    The problem was the fishing pole...!!!
    
    While cleaning my fathers house the other day,I came across an old
    Shakespear 6'5" pole. I figured I would try it with my existing reel
    to see if it made any difference. NO TWISTS !! I made over 200 casts
    and did not have to peel off any twisted line. 
    
    Details: I used the cheapest line I had (I stopped buying good line
             because it would have to be peeled off after every outing)
             a "No-Name" brand that comes on a roll of about 1000 yards 
             or something for about $3.00. I put it on the reel in about 
             30 seconds with no special attention.
    
    The Old Rod: It is a Shirmanno something or other but I believe I was
                 almost correct in my diagnoses. This rod is 6' and has 6
                 eyes. The back end (say 2') has only the reel so the 6
                 eyes are in 4' of pole which makes it impossible for the
                 line to come off without alot of drag.
    
    The New Rod: Shakespear 6'5" has only 3 eyes. 
                 Note: The first eye is the same size as the old pole's
                       first eye.
    
    When I cast now it almost feels like throwing a stone into the water.
    The line does not slow the cast which caused the rotation of the lure.
    
    I was really believing it was something I was doing wrong,,because
    Roland Martin would not sell a bad designed pole.....right??
    
    
                                -Steve "MUCH BETTER" O.

    
    
    	Steve....I will be sleeping better at night....:-)
    
    	Glad you got it fixed....makes the fishing much more enjoyable.
    
    	Gitzit'