Conference wahoo::fishing

    Looks like I would fail all the time! :-) Who could go out on a
    lake in 90 degree heat without a cooler chock full of cold ones!!!
    
    
    
    
    
    
    John

    
    It was 113 degrees on Thursday and 110 on Friday................
    
    No officer, I did not drink any booze on the lake. (I inhaled it)
    
    

    Any professional fisherman who would risk any of the rules involved
    must be crazy. Too much to loose in my mind. 
    
                                                     NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~~~~~

    
    I don't get it.  What's alcohol got to do with catching fish (I
    said catching fish not fishing)???
    
    Is this what I've been doing wrong?  Do the bass smell the Moussy
    on my breath and steer clear??
    
    As a rule, I'm not in favor of lie detector tests outside of the
    police station.  I balked at taking one as a prerequisite to employment
    at a U-Tote-M.  Don't think I would have passed that one either.
    
    Lotsa bucks on the line.  Given the tendency of fishermen to lie,
    the results must have been interesting.  
    
    Steve

    Bass Pro is running a contest this year - anyone who wins a tournament
    using a Bass Pro rod qualifies to win a fully rigged Bass Tracker.
    The winner must pass a lie detector test before claiming the prize...
    it's right there in the catalog.
    

    Didnt ast bout usin dannymite!!
    
    Wher do I sine op???
    
    Coonass

    When you sign the entry form to any B.A.S.S. event or B.A.S.S.
    Federation event you agree to adhere to a lie detector test, if
    request by the tournament director.
    
    As for the boozes..  You violate state law, to operate a boat if
    you are or were drinking.  This also goes for open containers just
    like in a car..
    
    Bassin Bob
    

    re .7                      
           YO BASSIN' BOB,     
    
      I did not know that it was a violation of state law to drink while
    boating.....it will not stop me, but I did not know it.
    
                                                   NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~~~     

      I did not know that it was a violation of state law to drink while
    boating.....it will not stop me, but I did not know it.
    
                                                   NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~~~     


IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE, BUT IN YOUR CASE....

    re .7
    
    So what are they going to do take away my boating licence? Naw realy,
    what is the punishment? Fishing with the worm for the day? :-)
    
    Rich

    RE: .10
    
    	Check out the recent rulings in the boating accident at Ocean
    City during Memorial Day.  The operator is being charged the same
    as if he were operating a motor vehicle while over the legal blood
    alcohol limit.  I believe the final decisions were handed down
    yesterday.
    
    (Can you be charged with operating an electric trolling motor while
    intoxicated.  How about Alcholic rowing?)

    <flame_on>
    
     This just goes to show how out of control the government can get.
    Instead of making sense, they try to correct a situation by using
    a punishment that does not fit the crime. What does driving a boat
    have to do with driving a car? Absolutely nothing. If somebody with
    a drivers license gets besotted on his boat, he can be charged with
    'drunken driving,' and lose his license, according to current law.
    
     I say that this is entirely unfair and lawless. The fact of the
    matter is, another person can do the same thing, but will face NO
    PUNISHMENT if he does not have a drivers license. I mean, how can
    they take away something that's not there? If they really want to
    curb the problem, they should find another way to do it. A fair
    and equitable way. Maybe even, God forbid, license boat operators.
    
     The next folly is the practice of the Coast Guard to confiscate
    boats due to the mere presence of even microscopic quantities of
    contraband. This is known as the zero tolerance policy. It prevents
    even the most casual user of drugs to even allow a person on the
    dock to toss a roach(end of a marijuana cigarette for you old guys)
    into his boat. It also makles charter captains liable for each and
    every person on his boat. If one joker takes a joint with him and
    gets caught, the captains livelihood is in jeapoardy. 
    
     This policy is a direct result of a lack of success in stopping
    the source of the drugs and was poorly thought out. They should
    be putting their resources into stopping a worse epidemic. Ocean
    dumping of sludge and heavy metals at the 106 mile site. This dumping
    will affect ALL OF YOU SALTWATER FISHERMEN someday. And someday
    may be this year for those of you further down the coast. It's time
    for some priorities.
              
    <flame_off>
    
     The doctah
    

    re .11
    
    (can we be charged with operating a trolling motor..intoxicated?)
    
    Probably, some stiff in Manchester N.H. lost his driving liscense
    and was fined for operating his bicycle while intoxicated.

    re;12
    	confiscating / siezure of boats, for the min, amount
        of foriegn substance. this law has dramaticly changed
        since day one of the new law when some captain lost his
    	100 foot yaht because they scraped up enough foreign 
    	substance to see what it was....
    	 that law was a bunch of B.S next thing you know they'll
    	want to confiscate your house,,,
    	WELL being the nobal citizen as I is, I DONT OWN A YAHT!!!

    flame on
    
    I just wanted to say that the fact is that alcohol (and/or drugs)
    and operating a boat don't mix period. Anyone who knows something
    about boating knows that when you are the capt. you are responsible
    for your boat and those aboard. In the ocean you face one harzard
    after another such as other boats, debries floating in water, weather
    and hidden objects under the water. When fishing it usually requires
    two competent and sober individuals to handle a large fish, one
    on the fish and the other to handle the boat. I have had a couple
    of experiences with drunks on party boats, and having them
    make me or my passengers misserable on my boat because of there
    stupid antics.
    
    I think that anyone one that drinks and operates a boat in manner
    that is unsafe should not be allowed on the water and there should
    be laws to enforce that. I would be in favor of a boat operators
    license and mandatory boat inspections ( I am not in favor of the
    fee's that might be charged) if it will help make the waterways
    safer for all.
    
    flame off
    
    Note I am not saying that it is not okay for a passenger to have
    a social drink but the idea of a day of fishing being 2 guys splitting
    a case while drowning a worm has got to go.
    
    Bruce

    
    
    Just a reminder......
    
    I started this note to illustrate how "some" tourneys use a lie
    detector to thwart fraud.
    not to pick apart the merits of each line item asked by the lie
    guy.
    
    We really need a note for bitchin and moanin
    
    also, my stand is that you should be able to do any thing you want
    to do any time you want to do it.  as long as you respect others
    and thier property.
    
    TBDW
    

    re .9   Joe, caps off eh. You gettin lazy?
    
    re .10  Rich, you'd learn how to fish if you fished with me. (not
            that you'll ever have the oportunity you loser)
                                                     
    re .13  If I want to drink 12 beers and ride my bike I will. Is
            there no freedom anymore. Is this Russia or what?! geeeeez.
    
    RE .12  WELL ALRIGHT DOCTAH! Hats off to ya.
    
                                     If the NIGHTCRAWLER~~~ wants to
                           drink in his boat, in his car, on his bike,
                           on his skateboard, on a surfboard, on a riding
                           lawn mower HE WILL! All your life people
                           tell you what to do. Screw em. I do not support
                           drunken driving, but I do not think it an
                           offense to drink. The offense is getting
                           drunk. Move to Russia if you don't like it.
                           I hear Ice fishing in Siberia is the balls.
    NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~~~
                                     

    the water way's should be safer than the street's
    
    	and i feel re:15 say's it.
    
    I'd hate to walk across the water and get hit by
    some drunk driving a boat......

    I have no problem with punishing jerks who perpetrate some crime,
    but to simply make rules and abridge liberties for the masses to
    curtail the offensive actions of the few reeks of dictatorship.
    If you want that, move to Nicaragua! I kind of like the freedom
    of choice. This country was founded on it. The correct way to effect
    these things is to properly punish those who commit some crime.
    Peer pressure to do 'the right thing' can work wonders. I cannot
    agree with eliminating freedom of choice when that freedom of choice
    does not infringe on anyone else's right to life, liberty, or the
    pursuit of large fish!(or other forms of happiness).
    
    In summary punish the offenders, not the masses.
    
    The Doctah

re: .18

>>    I'd hate to walk across the water and get hit by
>>    some drunk driving a boat......


If you could "walk across water" ... I doubt you'd have much to worry about!

I agree with Bruce!  Keep the damned drunks off the water and off the roads!
If the Worm wants to get blasted while mowing his lawn, OK.  It's his lawn!

I enjoy a brew or two as much as the next guy (my gut proves that!), but I 
almost never drink while out on my boat.  I'd much prefer being stone sober 
when that hawg hits so I can   1) react fast enough  and 2) remember the 
experience.  

-HSJ-

    Hay WORM how many beers did it take to replace a lower unit?
    
    :^)
    

    re .-1
    
    Well spoken Joe.  Most people probably have the same sentiments.
    Especially staying coherent enough to remembering that big one.

    re .21 ,
                   YO BASSIN BOB,
                                   Lets see, that lower unit cost me
                   about 60 cases! 
                                          NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~~~~~~~

    
    	I say it's about time!!! I don't know how many times I've
    	been out trying to fish only to have it ruined by some
    	boat full of drunks thinking they are indians or something
    	circling my boat. Any persons right to choose to drink has
    	to be controlled when it starts to endanger my safety out
    	on the water ways. Like it or not, the facts say that more
    	than half of boating accidents are caused by booze. If you
    	want to drink, go ahead, I could care less, just don't drink
    	then arm yourself with a boat and kill someone trying to
    	mind his own business and catch and few fish.
    
    	 It may only be a few that do this, but those few ARE dangerious
    	to all using the water ways!!
    
    	G_B

    Worm...   What I was try to get at was, how many did you drink that
    day when you lost it....  NOt how many you could not buy after!

    :^)
    

    re .25    Bassin' Bob,
                           Zero. I was going through a nasty channel
              and took it too close to shore and made friends with some
              rocks at 5mph. I did not have her trimmed up. Bye lower
    unit......... 
        I'll have a few cold ones and boat however. This does not mean
    getting ripped! I like my boat and family. Moderation eh. Cheers.
                 
                                          NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~~~~~~
                                     

    RE: 1
    RE: THE REST
    
    Punish the few not the masses. You guy's keep raising steem about
    drinking and boating it will get just as bad as the streets. What
    I mean is those right infringing "ROAD BLOCKS". I have boated since
    I was a lad. If people's drinking get's to the point where they
    are affending "YOU" (ie: excessive wakes, exxcessive speeds close
    to you), then say something to them!!
    If that doesn't work every good fisherman has a VHF or CB advise
    the folks you will call them in if they continue.
    
    They will leave you alone...
    
    How did this topic get carried away this far in "LIE DETECTORS"??
    
    
    Looming in Green Water
    
    - Dave

        My two cents...

        Sure, we all have the right to drink alchohol, but no one has 
        the right to operate a boat on a public water way while intoxicated,
        endangering others.  It's a problem and obviously a difficult one to
        enforce.

        Revoking someone's auto drivers license on the basis for a 
        boating violation does not make much sense to me.  In NH,
        driving a boat "under the influence" of alchohol or drugs 
        is punnishable by imprisonment and/or fine.  They use the blood
        alchohol level to determine whether your 'under the influence'
        or not, and the 'implied consent' law applies as well.  This
        makes sense to me.  I have not seen any reference to an 'open 
        container' law on the water.

        Most boating is 'pleasure boat'ing and this society happens 
        to associate alchohol with pleasure, like it or not.  We allow
        ourselves to have a certain blood alchohol level and drive a car.
        So, it'd be real tough to tell the guy in his $75,000 'pleasure
        boat' that he can't have a beer or two while playing with his toy.

        I used to often have a few beers while fishing, but more recently
        seldom do, for basically the same reasons as Joe T. mentioned.
        After a couple beers I get slightly lazy and stop putting as much 
        into my fishing, and therefore become less productive.  I stopped 
        having a beer or two while seriously fishing because I get a heck
        of alot more pleasure from catching fish than I do drinking beer.
        
        However, if I'm not 'seriously' fishing, and I'm just out for the
        relaxation, fellowship, or whatever, I have no problem bringing a 
        few cold ones along.  I know that I will not let myself become 'under 
        the influence' and I just have to hope that others do the same.
        
        Don Mac

    Don Mac-
    
    Correct me if I'm wrong. Doesn't the law in NH provide for the
    revocation of the drivers license for anyone convicted of operating
    a boat under the influence? I know that they wanted that particular
    punishment when they drafted the legislation, and I thought that
    was what became law. That is the part I object to. It seems to be
    irrelevant.
    
     My whole point is that you should be able to quaff a couple of
    frosties if you want- *as long as it doesn't endanger anyone else.*
    I agree that antisocial activity should be sanctioned. But the masses
    should not be sanctioned until such time as they become a detriment
    to society (relatively) or can be shown to exhibit antisocial behavior.
    I don't go out to get hammered. I go out to fish (read catch). I
    do, however, like to have a beer or two when I'm out on the water.
    I don't think that anyone should tell me I can't because I *might*
    become dangerous. It's the same as driving a car. If you aren't
    intoxicated, why should you be prohibited from finishing your beer
    while you drive to the store. The key is *not intoxicated*. 
    
    The Doctah

    Another 2 cents...to add to my 10 bucks worth before. First I am
    not totally hard line...I just wanted to make my point. Having a
    brew while fishing is fine...especially for those not running the
    boat, but more than maybe 2 is bad news. I am not saying someone can
    not hold more than 2 brews and be sober but the facts is that the
    strong sunlight and the ocean air is enough to knock you out before
    you even have one beer. I know that when I get up at 4 AM fish all
    day in the sun, on the ocean, catch some fish, clean the boat by the 
    time I get home 1 beer puts me to sleep...
    
    
    Bruce
         

    re: all boating/beering
    
    For the past few weeks, the has been a 'public service' announcement
    on the NOAA weather broadcast concerning this topic. Breifly, the
    Coast Guard (Aux.??) is cautioning the public that while on the
    water, one third the blood alcohol level for 'legal' intoxication
    can severely impair the operator. They mention the added effects
    of sun & glare, motion of the boat, etc., as all compounding the
    effects of the alcohol consumed. 
    
    Here in Jersey, an alarming number of boating accidents are/can
    be directly attributed to 'drunk-(boat)driving'. This state is in
    the process of adding 100+ officers to the Marine Police (state
    troopers) with a prime objective of controlling this problem.
    
    Before I get any flames from boat owners: Yes, I am a 'land-lubber'.
    But all too often I have seen boats come ashore (in the surf!!!),
    and observe the operator (and passengers) to be definitely 'under
    the influence'. In these situations, especially at night, not only
    do these people endanger themselves, but the people on the BEACH
    as well. (I do have to check the salvage laws - anyone want a 
    radio?  :-} ) Also, I have had first hand, on the water observations-
    a few years back I was in a rental skiff that was almost run over
    by a 30-footer, whose skipper had a beer can in hand (Bud cans are
    easily identified). Additionally, I used to ride party boats a lot,
    and have observed people get 'wasted' on just one beer, when on
    land I have seen the same individual tolerate much more.
    
    Now, I don't know the exact penalty in this state, but I think it
    should be stiff.
    
    I enjoy my beer, etc. as much as the next guy. BUT, there is a time
    and a place for everything!
    
    Bravo to those guys extending invitations to their boats in this
    file and stating up-front: NO beer until the trip is OVER!!!
    
    BTW- if you save the drinking for later, it makes for much better
    telling of fish stories :-).
    
    Bagel

    
    
    
    CAN WE ALL AGREE THAT  MODERATION IS THE KEYWORD AND MOVE ON?
    
    I started this note as an FYI on how "some" tourneys are run.
    Not a session on your particular values partaining to drinking.

    I will have a coupla beers anytime I please, thank you very much
    
    TBDW
    

    Doctah, my wife picked up a pamphlet at ZK Health Services on boating
    saftey (issued by the NH Dept. of Safety?).  It mentioned what I
    described earlier and reviewed most boating regulations, but did not 
    mention anything about the revoking of drivers licenses, but that does 
    not necessarily mean that isn't the case.  
                            
    donmac             
                       
    ps: tbdw, this is a good topic!

 re. -1                     
>>    ps: tbdw, this is a good topic!

YEAH!  So what if you started the damn note...noboby cares!  It really 
wasn't even worth reading.  I like the second topic MUCHO BETTER.

ah...excuse me...

snap....fizzzz fizzzz....glug...glug...aaaahhhhhh!

YO,
       That's right Joe,
                         I know little about lie detectors, but man,
    I know ALOT about beers. I even brew my own! Ask TBDW! Now homebrew
    is some beer you only need a few of....(memory loss is critical)  
    
                                                 NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~

	FWIW:

	Some time back when the powerboats notes was still on SAMIAM:: one
of the regular contributors was saying that his insurance co. would not renew
his boat insurance because he had a DWI conviction (driving his car)...

	Mr. moderator,  as has been pointed out this was a 'lie detector'
topic, however the discussion has been more vigorous over drinking (I'd like to
see the debate continued), how about moving these alcohol related notes to a
new topic (i.e. one whose title relates to the subject matter)??? 

	Do the fish get bigger as the cooler gets emptier???  Or is the yellow
fish attractant that goes over the side after a few brewskies???

				Al

    re.-1 I agree.  Rather than extracting and reentering all of these
    note on drinking on the water, I'll just rename the topic, since
    the lie detector dwindeled.  
    
    Don Mac

    YO,
        I never brink and doat.  *hick
     
                                                NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~~~
       

    A friend of mine used to be a narc. As he told me, "When they
    confiscate a 'drug car', guess who gets to drive it"? Also, for
    those of you who wonder what the coast guard uses to catch those
    supersonic dope boats, guess what again? Other (confiscated) dope
    boats.
     This guy has a million great stories, and he's driven a million
    great cars (Jags, Mercedes, Rolls-Royce, Bimmers, etc.). In most
    cases they'd wait to make sure they had a case on the guy, then
    wait until he was "dirty" in his "show car" so they could confiscate
    the car. Only problem was, sometimes the judge trying the case would
    take the car.
    
    --The Skoal Bandit

    
    	Also from a friend that was a narc,  They don't just
    	wait to "catch" him dirty, they have been known to
    	"bring along a little dirt, just in case ;^)"

    YO,
         I guess I will have to put some casting platforms on a Scarab
    (sp?) for FAST getaways if I plan to have a Coors. I guess they
    can be modified for bass fishing........
                                             NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~~~~~

	Condensed From an article in the Lancaster (PA.) Sunday News
			    June 26, 1988


	More than 1,200 people die in boating accidents each year in the 
United States.  Thousands more are injured.  Information from the U. S. 
Coast Guard indcates the country's waterways are second only to its' 
highways as the scene of accident deaths......

	The officers noted that alcohol is one of the most serious 
problems on the water. Coast Guard statistics indicate that alcohol is 
involved in more than 50% of water fatalities.  Drinking and boating may 
be even more dangerous than drinking and driving.

	There is glare from the water, the motion of the boat, and the 
wind.  Maybe you could ordinarily stand a couple of beers with no effect 
but on the water, they will affect you much quicker...

	According to a coast guard publication, four hours exposure to 
noise, vibration, sun, glare, wind and water motion produces a fatigue 
that seriously slows reaction time. Adding alcohol intensifies the 
effect.

    Maybe someone else can correct me on some of the details, but after
    a fireworks display over the water (Boston Harbor?) it seems that
    there were so many drunken fools in 20-30' power boats gunning around
    at full throttle and kicking up such tremendous wakes, that other boats
    were tossed about so badly that passengers had to "hit the deck"
    just to keep from going overboard. Tragically, one boat did capsize,
    resulting in the drowning of a 1-year old girl and a 5-year old
    boy missing and presumed drowned...
    
    Such self-indulgent, callous recklessness, in my mind, would be 
    difficult to punish too severely. But, as we all know, no one will 
    ever be called to account for the needless deaths of these children 
    at the hands of the drunken idiots. Unless some sort of action is
    taken to discourage such behavior, it will no doubt happen again
    and again...
    
    Ed
    
    
    

    
    WBZ news this morning did a commentary on this tragic incident..
    the boat and several others involved began to YELL at these fools
    and all they got in return was laughter and the hoisting of beer
    bottles.
    
    I'm sick
    
    TBDW
    

    re .43
    According to radio reports that I heard, the boat that dis capsize
    was severly overloaded.   Something like 18 or 20 people in a 20
    ft boat.   That boat operator must share the blame for operating
    his/her boat in an unsafe manner.

    re .45
    
    agreed...
    

I heard .... "22' boat with 14 on board..."

nonetheless...severely overloaded!

A real shame that things like this happen.    

    Ya. 
       I heard 22' with 15 aboard. Idiots.
                                                NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~~~~

    It comes from the simple formula:
    
                          utter stupidity 
      + reckless disregard for human life
      +       alcohol induced incoherence
      -----------------------------------
                        avoidable tragedy                    
                   
    
     The doctah

    	Went out for some flounder in Hampton harbor in the canoe on
    the 4th. Only got 1 flounder and 3 skate (one of the skates was
    close to 10 lbs.) Decided to try the Parker river. All in all people
    were really good about slowing down and not making a wake by us.
    Of course there is always one in every crowd. A boat about 28' long
    came up the river making about a 3' wake. We stayed close enough
    to the shore line that we could beat the wake in which is what we
    did (just barely). There is no doubt in my mind that the wake this
    guy made would have capsized us had we not made the shore in time.
    There is no need for this. I know the guy had seen us and evidently
    did not care. I won't mention what I did in a public file but I
    assure you that I did not simply sit there and watch. 

    

       Get his number and notify the CG. If they hear about him a couple
    of times, maybe.....
                                                       Denny

    The law says you are responsible for ANY damage caused by your wake!!
    If something falls off a table on your boat and breaks because of
    some nut's wake, he is legally responsible. I'm not sure you would
    have much luck collecting in that case, but if your boat bangs a
    dock, etc, I'd sure go after him (her).
    Get the registration number and call the C.G.!! If more people reported
    people likr this, we might start to get the message to sink in.
    
    Don ( A Bitch on Bad Boaters )

    Last saturday I was out blue fishing out of Woodshole Cape Code
    MA.   We were trolling wire line out be the vinyard.  There was two
    guys just moving along DRINKING came right behind the boat
    with in 10'. Well Wire line sinks but not that fast.  They preceded
    to strip me back down to the backing and then some before the wire
    broke.  I was yelling every word in the book at them.  They stripped
    off 200 yards of stainless steal wire and my best rigs.
    
    All they did was throw a few cans and run off faster then we could.
    
    
    This brought a nice day to a bad end...
    

    
    
    STAINLESS STEEL for Blues?
    
    What a sport Bob
    
    

    re: .-2
    
    Bad deal! Don't you wish your wire had at least fouled their prop?
    I HATE when people are ignorant. Seems to be some peoples pastime.
    
    The Doctah

    I think they got some good wire on it.  It was an inboard and the
    line was screeming off the reel.  They where not going to fast.
    at first.  They stopped and pulled in their lines then throw the
    cans and left.
    	
    I have about 25 feet of wire left. with lots of kinks and two splices!
    bob
    

    Ya know, som ob dem people who does tings lak dat sometimes hab
    been known to try to go swimmin wit dere hans tied an weights on
    dere feets...lak dem gang wardens.
    
    Yea, dey find dem all de time down chere. Ebery year some ob dem
    gang wardens ties demsefs to a tree an shoots demsefs to death..
    
    Is a puzzlement to me, I know..
    
    Coonass

    YO BASSIN' BOB,
                       You should have put a heavy weight on the remaining
    line and casted it around one of their necks so it wrapped around
    it tight and pulled the son of *!~&%$^# into your boat. Then just
    pull both sides nice and tight until the head pops off. THAT'S
    JUSTICE. You'll know when the head is ready to go. The eyes bug
    out and victim sqeeks a soft gurgling " I am so sorrryyyyyyyy...."
    
                                    NIGHTCRAWLER~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I agree with you Walt....I've always used the anchor line, then
    the jerks have to hit the boat to get at you. You also get the 
    'wipes that speed up to your boat and ask "whats that flag for?".
    Maybe a spear across the bow would do the same as the flare.....
    
    Ray  

    re: 772.60
    
    Where did this reply go?????
    
    Mr. Moderator: Maybe we need a topic discussing FISHING COURTESY.
    
    Bagel

    Don't know where .60 went, I didn't delete it, and I don't recall
    reading it.  Must have been the author or the #1 moderator, Gene.
    -Don Mac

    
    	If .60 did not comply with the rules of this conference, then
    	yes I deleted it...!!!
    
    	Gene

    
    Hey Gene, Did you or didn't you delete it?  and if so, what Rule
    was broken?
    
    TBDW (all_for_rules)

    
    	I deleted one note lately, so if this is the one in question
    	it was deleted for using improper language...! If this was not
    	the case then it wasn't the note that I deleted...
    
    	Gene

    I didn't delete it and I Never Ever swear? At least not on the tube.
    I was wondering where it went also?? being that it was so chock
    full of handy information.  
    
                                        Walt
    P.S. Red & White is a Dive Flag