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    Page two of todays Globe had an article on a diver being devoured by a 
    Great White down in Australia. According to the article, some fisherman
    hooked onto the same shark shortly after, but lost it after it rammed
    their boat and coughed up some remains. That's enough to keep me away
    from sharks for awhile.
    
    -Rob
    	
    	

	I heard on the radio this am that the person devoured was on
	their honeymoon?

	Yuck
	-< Tuna Tail >-

    She was an experienced? diver with her husband and son.They were diving
    in among  the seals to study them.The area was well know for sharks
    feeding on the seals.The diver was wearing a  black suit which wouldn't
    help.It took her leg off first then returned and took her by the torso.
    It must have been really terrrible for her husband and child watching
    also.
    
    				Stuart.
    	

    	Under those conditions it's safe to assume that it was a case of
    mistaken identity and the shark just thought she was a seal. I'll bet
    that she was on the surface when she got hit too.
    
    Barry
    

re:                    <<< Note 303.3 by AYOV11::SROBERTSON >>>

>    It must have been really terrrible for her husband and child watching
>    also.


	According to the Globe, her husband and *5* children watched!
	4 of the children were quadruplets!   Unreal...

	Ken

    
    It seems from what I read that there were 2 incidents concerning
    attacks. The first was the woman in/near the seal colony, and then
    5 days later was the honeymoon couple. The shark went after the wife
    and the husband pushed her out of the way and it got him instead.
    Then hours later the fish was hooked by fishermen in an 18' boat and
    the shark dragged them around for a period of time before ramming the
    boat and redigesting the torso and scuba equipment and freeing himself
    from the hook.
    
                                                        Guy
    

    
    
    FISH-ON!
    
    How about a little discussion on some tips on catching " Mr. Jaws"?
    
    I've been out quite a few times and been sucessful more than once at
    bringing Jaws to the deck. I'm always looking for something that will
    help out for the next trip out.
    
    This past weekend after a 3.5 hr pounding to get out 32 miles offshore 
    to an area called The Fingers we had 2 hook-ups on Mako sharks. The
    first hit at 11:30 and a short battle before breaking the terminal
    tackle ( 10 minutes). The estimated 250+lb jet plane treated us to a
    display of jumps anywhere from 8-10 ft out of the water doing
    sumersaults. 
    
    The next hit came at 2:00 and I got to battle the mako to the back of
    the boat and the tailrope. All of about 40 minutes and 3 long run off's
    after he saw the boat and figured out what was happening. Again another
    display of the how many jumps can I make and how high can I go show in
    back of the boat.
    
    Final result was 1 Mako Shark  approx 150lbs 6' feet long.
    
    I would like to see some talk about baits, attractents and the secret
    recipe that brings them in to the slick every time.
    
    The Fish-in Technician
    Irv Luizza
    

    
    
    There was a report that I heard recently about some Shark tourney that
    had one boat crew that got more tham they wanted in the back of the
    boat.The Shark that they had hooked up with did a jump that landed in
    the back of the boat while tha critter was quite green. He proceded to 
    beat the back of the boat biting and beating his tail about which sent 
    everything flying.In the middle of his fight to get the heck out of
    this dry place he broke one of the anglers legs. 
    
    Never did hear if it stayed in the boat or jumped out and got away.I
    guess that they concidered it a legal catch cause the leader was in the
    boat. Catch beat the heck out of the boat, break a leg and release.
    
    "Honey your not going to believe how I got this broken leg".
    
    /Irv

    
    
    Shark Steak Recipe
    
    Take 4- five gallon buckets of beef blood,2-three gallon buckets of
    Frozen Bunker Ground Chum, various bits of cut bait like Bluefish or
    Mackerel, Add to saltwater gradually.Wait for sometimes forever.
    
    Listen for loud noise of large reel having line pulled off at high
    speed.
    
    Shoot Shark with large caliber weapon before bring into boat.
    
    Cut into 1" thick steaks.
    
    Cook on Grill with sprinkle of Lemmon Pepper spice, real butter and
    parsley.
    
    Serve hot with lots of good wine,cold beer,or both
    
    Bone-a-peitete
    
    /Irv 

    Do most people kill the sharks when they catch them?
    
    I took it that most sharks are getting rarer now.
    
    If you don't kill it - how on earth do you get the hooks out - I take
    it it's with a big gaff - is this easy?
    
    
    					Stuart

 You don't get the hooks out, you cut the leader as close to the mouth
as you dare put your hand. (It should not be real close, especially to
a mako or porbeagle- razor teeth and energetic squirmers.)

    re:10
    
    	What kind of shark ? Mako's are not exactly in the same class as
    sand sharks (aka - dogfish). With dogfish, I just step on the snout and
    the tail and remove the hook with my hand, or pliers if need be. I
    usually pick them up by the tail "quickly" to through them back.
    
    	Once and a while I'll keep a big one as I have a recipe for them
    that comes out well.
    
    	RAYJ

    RE: .10
    
    	All the sharks I have caught (Sand/dog fish) I have release
    	unharmed cept for hook removal using long handled hook remover.
    	I normally have the shark hanging over the boat edge so when
    	hook comes out the shark just falls back in.
    
    	I did bring a 5' sand shark onto the FishTeaser just to take
    	it's picture then I grabed the tail and tossed it over a 
    	technique mentioned in a previous note :-)
    
    	-< Tuna Tail >-
    

    I was reading in Sport Fishing magazine recently that the Gulf of
    Maine was one of the premier Shark fishing regions these days. I was
    kind of surprised because I figured we would've heard some shark
    stories from some of the people who chum for Tuna in that area. Has
    anyone caught anything besides dogfish off the Maine/NH coast in the
    past couple of years ???

 I've seen makos tied up to the side of boats on Jeffries. But I seem to
see blues more often. We've picked up a few blue sharks on our various
(unsuccessful as yet) tuna trips.

    There's plenty of blue sharks around.  But from what I've been hearing
    from one of the tackle shops in Maine, the fingers have been producing
    some nice mako's over the past couple of years.  I've seen a couple of
    pictures of mako's over 500#'s.  
    
    But its tough (for me) to head 40 miles out to shark fish, when I can 
    tuna fish within 20 miles.  Or even if I have to go out to the fingers, 
    I'ld rather have the tuna gear over instead of the shark gear.

 On the other hand, odds are that if you spend a whole day out there you
can get a shark into the slick and eating your bait... ;-)

    re .16
    Won't a shark go after the same bait you use for the Tuna, or are they
    two uniquely different methods to get one or the other to go after your
    line ? Do you have to go out 40 miles for the blue sharks also, or just
    the mako's ? How big does a blue shark get ? I'd like to try catching
    some big fish, just for fun, (C and R) but 40 miles out is beyond my range
    where 20 is a go...

 Shark will indeed eat tuna bait. Unfortunately for me, all that has ever
eaten tuna bait I was jettisoning have been sharks. :-/ The bad news is
you pretty much need steel leaders for the toothy critters, and most people
use mono for tuna. But last year some guys shark fishing caught a giant
tuna, so you never know.

 Actually, blue sharks are more of a deepwater fish than makos, if I recall
correctly. And there have been many cases of catching them only 20 miles out.
It depends on where the bait is, mostly.

 People have caught sharks at the mouth of the merrimack (infrequently)
so they do sometimes come fairly close.

 Blue sharks get fairly decently sized. I caught a 300+ lb'er which was about
12 feet long south of the cape several years ago. A 45 minute grueling fight
that was. :-) Tagged and released. The world record is ~410 lbs, caught off
the cape. Even a 150 lb fish is pretty amusing on 50 lb tackle.

 The Doctah

	I've been doing some shark fishing the past couple of years, and it can
be a lot of fun.  We've tagged over 25 blue sharks and kept 3 or 4 more.  The
largest blue shark we tagged was between 11 and 12 ft long and must have weighed
in excess of 250lbs.  The typical blue shark is in the 8 ft range and weighes
somewhere around 100 lbs.  They can be lots of fun to catch and are pretty good
eating.  I prefer them steaked and cooked on the grill with lemon butter.

	The key to shark fishing IMHO is water temperature, depth and chumming
methods.  I chum for sharks like I chum for mackerel - hang a chum bucket over
the side with ground-up frozen chum in it, let it slowly thaw and release a
steady line of small pieces of fish, oil and blood - the more blood the better.
This differs from tuna chuming in that with tuna you typically throw out a steady
stream of cut fish, instead of blood and ground up fish.  We sometimes get a few
sharks while tuna fishing, but not as often as you'd expect, maybe we just lucky?
In addition to chumming differences, we also fish in much deeper water for sharks
then for tuna.  With tuna we typically anchor up or troll.  But when sharking we
usually drift the deep 400+ ft canyons.  Also sharks prefer warmer water, 62 plus
degrees.  The warmer the better especially for mako's.  I've only tangled with a
mako once, and unfortunately for us the mako won.  I plan to get back to sharking
again this season once the tuna and striper fishing slows down or the seasons
close.

	The gear is also different for sharks - we use wire or cable leaders on
rod and reels somewhat lighter then for tuna.  A 6/0 or preferablely a 9/0 penn
senator or a 50T or 50TW international reel on a stand-up 50 - 100lb rod is what
we use.  Also a stand-up gimble + harness is almost a necessity.  Fighting a
shark of any size without it is very very tiring, but possible.  We also use
50 - 130 lb line (both dacron and mono) depending upon the rod and reel in use.

Well that's what I know about sharking...

Good Fishing...
Dave (AKA Harpoonist and Baitmaster)...

    I can't think of a more exciting sport than shark fishing - must be
    great fun!
    Do they seem quite clever? Do they jump out of the water like sailfish?
    
    It'd be excellent to have a large set of "jaws" on your living room
    wall and tell the kids the "how I caught the monster" story.
    
    I'm hoping to visit Florida next summer - what sort of prices are we
    talking to go shark fishing?
    
    
    					Stuart

 Makos will leave the water, but blues are just bull strong, steady fighters.

 You could expect to pay anywhere from $600-750 for a boat for a day of shark
fishing (a 10-15% tip for the mate is traditional on top of this). For that
kind of money, I'd be happier chasing sailfish or marlin in Florida. :-)

 Besides, the places to go for shark fishing are the New Jersey coast, Montauk
NY, Rhode Island or the southern side of Cape Cod in Massachusetts.

    	The gulf coast of Florida does have at least some shark fishing.
    There is a shark club in Venice that is quite active.  They get mostly
    Lemon and Bull sharks, and the Bulls get quite large and are known as
    man eaters.  There are also a few Hammerheads around.  Boca Grande Pass
    just to the south of Venice has a large Hammerhead that's gotten famous
    for biting full grown Tarpon in half at boatside!!!  That's about a 
    50 - 100 lb. bite!!!
    					B.C.

 Florida can have some excellent shark fishing; it's just that a) there are
other places I'd go if I were looking to shark fish and b) if I were in
Florida, I'd pick a more exciting/out of my ordinary realm species to
fish for. There are plenty of neat sharks in florida; I once saw a 14 foot
tiger basking in the waves, and my uncle caught a 700 lb mako off his boat.

    While on a charter boat out of Niantic, CN in 70's we went for Tuna
    just off Montauk Point Long Island we caught some Bonito but no
    big one's.  But we did see a Hammerhead about 15' just catching
    some ray's :-)  We tried everything to get it to bite bait but
    it would just swim away.  It was within 5' of our boat and we
    were just drifting.  It paid no attention to our bait.  Which
    was whole Mackeral (sp?)
    
    Not sure where the Hammerhead is normally found but have not heard
    them mentioned much up this way?
    
    On the same trip we saw a boat with two sharks hanging alongside
    heading back into Long Island.  The Captain said it was (?name)
    which was the sharkhunter that allegedly Jaw's was written about?
    Apparently he is based in/near Montauk LI and only goes shark
    hunting and never release's a shark.  He say's he sell most of
    them but regardless he does not release any :-(
    
    Anyone able to verify the Sharkhunter story?
    
    -< Tuna Tail >-

 That's Frank Mundus, captain of the Cicket II. I believe he's now retired.
He has been alleged to have engaged in some questionable practices, but
obviously catches sharks as his share of the world record great white
attests to.

    Thanks for verification on the legend.
    Personnaly I release anything that won't be eaten or used at bait ;-)
    But then again I haven't caught a Carp recently either 8^0
    -< Tuna Tail >-

 Not retired from fishing; retired from chartering.

    Phew!!!!  I was begging to worry for a minute ;-)

    
    
    Just a note on MAKO's. They just recently caught a couple of new state
    record on the toothy flying critters.
     One was in Rhode Island, a 718lb brute (pictured on the front page of
    July's copy of THE EDGE Fishing Reoport) and the other a new state
    record for New Jersey 750lbs just caught last week.
     The Jersey record was caught far off-shore in the Hudson Canyon which
    is nothing but Deep Deep water.Sharks go where there is food to eat, be
    it shallow or deep water. Give them good food,good water temps,structure
    to hang around and they will be there.
    
    /Irv AKA the Fish-in Technician
    Boy would I have liked to have seen either one of them clear the water
    most especially on my line!

    STUART,
           If you want to catch shark you should take a trip over to
    Southern Ireland. I have fished there with good results for Blues
    and Tope but I know people that have had loads of sharks there.
    Galway, Clifden or Spidel are a good place to start.
    
    cheers
    Dougie
    

    
    
    	Thanks for the tip - but that's maybe a bit far away - I read and
    am told there's tope down by Ailsa Craig  but out from Sandhead near 
    Stranraer there's good quantities of tope,some portbeagles and the odd
    blue.
    	I'm going down piking around that area at the end of the month for
    a week so might give that a try.
    
    
    Watched a video of Hooked on Mauritius sp? the other day - the guy told
    of catching a 1130lb Mako - how it kept diving deep and then would come
    up like a rocket and jump up to 20ft. out of the water - the photo was
    well impressive - teeth the size of your fingers.
    He also caught a cracker of a sail-fish - killed it though.
    
    	
    					Stuart

    
    	New world record for Portbeagle - caught off Caithness coast -
    	over 500lb's - 550 I think - some set of teeth - took the 6miles
    	and two and a half hours.
    
    				Stuart

    
    
    	Screemin' Reels is on on thursday at 8:30 and is about shark
    fishing,portbeagle I take it,off of Stranraer and there's also supposed
    to be big pike on it also.
    
    
    					Stuart