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Title:Welcome To The Radio Control Conference
Notice:dir's in 11, who's who in 4, sales in 6, auctions 19
Moderator:VMSSG::FRIEDRICHS
Created:Tue Jan 13 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1706
Total number of notes:27193

1223.0. "Soldering tips ?" by CHEFS::CONWAY () Wed Jun 27 1990 13:00

    My current project is a kit which includes a number bits of wire
    with instructions along the lines " Solder the u/c leg parts as
    illustrated. "
    
    Thats fine but all the textbooks say is to ensure that the metal
    is clean. But how clean is clean ?  And how do I get it that 
    clean ?
    
    My first attempt only soldered the fuse wire to itself, so clearly
    I am doing something wrong.
    
    
    Help !
    
    thansk in advance 
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1223.1Solder tipsCLOSUS::TAVARESStay Low, Keep MovingWed Jun 27 1990 14:0220
I use Sta-Brite solder, as does most of the folks in this game.

Solder should flow; if it all sticks together you probably are
not applying enough heat.  If the solder balls up, you need to
clean the metal with flux.  The best technique is to heat the
part, then pull the heat away and let the solder flow.  A good
joint is where the solder is shiny.

What you're looking for in a good flux is to clean oxidation off
the metal; rosin core solders don't cut the program.  Go to a
hardware store and buy flux for soldering copper pipes or a
similar application.  I use some stuff that comes in a white tube
-- I don't recall the name.

For the really tough jobs, like when the work is large, I use
some Gonzo stuff that solders up like stink.  Its great with
the propane torch.

BTW -- I consider soldering up landing gear as a "large" job,
though it can be handled easily with a good soldering gun.
1223.2Cleanliness is next to ....NYJDEV::BOBABob Aldea @PCOWed Jun 27 1990 14:0325
    The easiest way to clean wire is to abrade any dirt or oxides.  A
    rubber eraser is enough for relatively clean wire, but fine sandpaper
    may be needed if there is corrosion.  Just remove any surface
    discoloration from the area to be joined.  Really bad?  File it!
    
    The key to easy soldering is the correct flux and solder type.  The
    flux prevents oxidation while you are heating the wire.  Although you 
    can make a joint with an acid core tin/lead solder, silver solder is 
    much stronger, and bonds better to steel.  STABRITE is one comercial 
    type that comes with the appropriate flux and is popular.  I use a 
    borax flux made for jewelers simply because I already have it.  The 
    only disadvantage is that silver solder requires more heat than you 
    might have handy.  Depending on the mass of the wire to be soldered, 
    you may need a propane torch.  If you're really desparate, you could 
    even use your stove ;^)
    
    Flux the wire and apply heat until it is hot enough to melt the solder.  
    Avoid heating the solder directly with your iron or torch.  If you're 
    using an iron, you'll need to wet the tip with solder to help with the 
    heat transfer.  When the wire is hot, apply the solder and let it flow 
    into the joint.  If it forms balls, you don't have it hot enough, or 
    your flux didn't keep it clean.  Overheating will break down the flux
    and you'll need to clean it up and start again.
    
    Its really not difficult, but of course practice helps.   
1223.3MORE SOLDERING HINTS & KINKS......UPWARD::CASEYATHE DESERT RAT (I-RC-AV8)Wed Jun 27 1990 16:0059
    What Bob and John say is true, however, if what you're trying to solder
    is a landing gear, both forgot one vital step.  Clean the wire using
    one or more of the methods mentioned (I like to use fine sandpaper
    followed by a washing in acetone) then wrap the joint with fine copper
    wire (available at most hardware stores, maybe Radio Shack), binding
    the two pieces of music wire together.  The binding should be fairly
    snug but doesn't have to be real tight.
    
    Now for the soldering; a _good_ soldering gun will work but I consider
    it marginal for this task and prefer a heavy duty iron of at least 100
    watts.  "Tinning" the iron is also critical to good soldering; wipe
    the tip against a damp sponge or rag, then apply solder to the tip. 
    You should have a bright, shiny silver tip...if not, you may have to
    resurface the tip using sandpaper or a file to remove all the yuck
    until only bright clean copper shows...reapply solder and you should be
    all set. 
    
    Apply flux (usually a paste but a liquid with the Sta-Brite silver solder) 
    to the joint, wipe the tip clean and re-tin (wet) it with fresh solder
    then apply it to the joint (from underneath whenever possible).  The
    flux should begin to sizzle almost instantly...hold the iron against
    the joint and "test" the joint by pressing solder against it (NOT THE
    IRON).  Soon, the solder will melt and begin to flow.  I keep feedong
    solder to the joint 'til the entire area is bright and shiney with
    solder and molten solder has puddled on the tip of the iron...then, I
    quickly remove the iron form the joint, taking the excess solder away
    on the tip.  *IMPORTANT*  Do NOT disturb the joint...let it cool for at
    least a minute before splashing water or whatever on it; if the joint
    is moved, you'll get a dull, gray, pitted looking joint (called a cold
    solder joint) which has no strength whatever - should this happen,
    apply more flux, reheat and try again.
    
    At this point, you should have a nice looking joint with brownish
    looking flux residue on it.  Many, perhaps most, fluxes are corrosive
    and will induce rust and/or corrosion so it should be cleaned off and
    neutralized.  I use acetone to quickly and easily remove the hardened
    flux, then bathe the area with white vinegar to neutralize the
    corrosive properties.  That should do it; you should have a good
    looking, strong joint that will withstand tremendous abuse...I've never
    had a joint done as described fail, even in some terrific crashes.
    
    One more word about Sta-Brite silver solder.  This is not, in the
    truest sense, really silver solder.  It _does_ have a higher silver
    content than normal rosin core solder and is somewhat stronger but it
    is still a low melt-temp solder that can be used with normal soldering
    guns or irons...it's a bit pricey but is a good product - I use it and
    recommend it.  However, done properly, a joint done with rosin core
    solder is just about as good.  Under NO circumstance would I recommend
    using acid-core solder due to the _very_ corrosive nature of the flux.
    You _can_ get away with using it if you clean/neutralize everything
    THOROUGHLY afterward but never, NEVER, N E V E R, * N E V E R * use
    acid-core for electrical wiring and hookups as the corrosive flux is
    impossible to clean out of stranded wire and the joint WILL fail!
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