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| 992.1 | Tell me more | CURIE::ANKER | Anker Berg-Sonne | Thu May 11 1989 18:55 | 21 |
| Re:< Note 992.0 by CSC32::M_ANTRY >
> 3. Would like to Fly F3b but needs more info?
I fly gliders, am a beginner, but did OK in the only
contest I have participated in. I am not sure what the F3B rules
are, but if they are to stay up for a given length of time with
penalties for more and less time, and spot landing, then I'm
interested. But I'm located way up in the Northeast.
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| 992.2 | More interest
| IGUANO::WALTER | | Thu May 11 1989 21:17 | 6 |
| I'm interested too, but like Anker I'm a beginner at sailplanes (actually he's
not as "beginner" as he claims). I was under the impression that F3B was not
thermal duration, but involved high speed flybys, timed circuits around two
pylons, that kind of stuff. Maybe a description of the events is in order here.
Dave
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| 992.3 | New Winch Rules passed. | GIDDAY::CHADD | Pylon; the ultimate High. | Thu May 11 1989 22:46 | 7 |
| Re: <<< Note 992.0 by CSC32::M_ANTRY >>>
-< F3b Soaring intrests >-
Are you aware that all the proposed changes to the Winches passed at the CIAM
conference in April?.
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| 992.4 | Here's what F3b is all about! | CSC32::M_ANTRY | | Fri May 12 1989 11:20 | 80 |
| re: .3 Yes John I am aware of the new winch rules. That info that
you sent me was real good reading material.
Ok; A description of F3b. The following is the officers column
that I entered in the Pikes Peak Soaring Society May newsletter
describing F3b and the F3b Contest that I entered on May 7th, 1989:
OFFICERS CORNER by Mark Antry, President
Sunday, May 7th, Ben DeMeter, Bob Page and myself traveled to
Denver to fly in our First F3b contest. Although Bob and I only
had polyhedreal ships we wanted to give it a try and start getting
some exposure to this facet of our hobby. F3b is really fun to
fly and you don't need to have to have a $800. ship to fly it with
and you can see that by the results, Lenny Keer flying a Eclipse,
finished with 1000 pts (normalized), John Wyss flying a Eclipse
with 999, Matt Sheldon flying a Modified Oly with 955, Ben DeMeter
flying a KING with 949, and Me, Mark Antry flying the Pantera with
940. It was fun at the awards ceremony to see some of the Colorado
Springs flyers taking home some prizes as we all know that alot of
our trophies/ribbons are taken home by Denver flyers.
I would like to give everyone a brief description from a first
time flyers point of view. F3b is flown mostly man on man meaning
that you are flying at the same time as say 3 others. Teams were
assigned with 24 flyers or 4 teams of 6. Each team has 2 winches,
a primary and a backup, these 8 winches are also placed about 3
feet from each other so you have 8 winches with 4 pilots launching
in about a 25 foot area which works well. In F3b all of your team
members have a job to do every flight, a Pilot, Line retriever,
winch winder downer, timer, and someone monitoring working time.
The first task was DURATION, It is normal 6 min precision with a
100pt tape landing. It is flown with a 9 min working time which
means that all 4 pilots line up when ready and the CD calls "Start
Working time" you then have 9 mins to get in a 6min flight. So
if you launch right away and after 2 mins things aren't looking so
hot land and go back up although at the end of working time if you
havent landed there will be no landing points. The next task is
DISTANCE, It is flown with a 6 min working time. Pylons are set
up parallel with the launch lines spaced 150 meters apart. After
launching you will come off the winch and fly back towards the
pylon that is next to the winches called "Base A" then when you
wish you may enter the course by crossing it again. You do not
have to enter the course right away but keep in mind that working
time is running and you have 6 mins to fly a 4 min distance run.
After entering the course you then fly as many times as possible
between Base A and the far pylon Base B within 4 min Course time
and 6 min working time. Here again if you dont like what you see,
land and relaunch just remember the working time. The next task
and the one to watch a F3b plane/pilot come alive is SPEED, The
object being to make 4 laps around the plyons as fast as possible.
After coming off the launch you then again head back towards Base
A and when you wish within a 4 min working time cross back over
Base A and start your flight of Down and Back, Down and Back. In
Speed you may only relaunch after declaring a abort before
entering the course for your run and again if you want to thermal
for 2 mins before entering the course that is fine too.
To get a idea of how I flew in the Contest with my Polyhederal
Pantera. I managed a 4 min 53 sec flight in Duration with a 70 pt
landing which was the best in my group so I got a 1000 pts. Then
in Distance I was a little rusty on my turns and rushed the flight
and was on the ground after 5 laps and 2 1/2 mins but it was
better than anyone else in my flight group so I got 1000 pts. Can
you see how if you launch in bad air, so does everyone else in
your group so it is realative. In speed I made my 4 laps in 45
secs and because this is flown 1 plane at a time the score is
normalized over all pilots, I got 489 pts (you can see this is
where the F3b ships outclass the others). We then flew another
distance task and I did much better with 13 laps getting another
1000 pts. So you can see it is not hard to do. To give you a
idea how the F3b pilots go, some pilots were logging 24 laps
distance and in Speed John Wyss finished 4 laps in a blinding 22.8
secs.
See you all at the meeting on the 16th and at the contest on the
20th. Happy landings and give F3b style a try!
Hope this gives everyone a idea of what F3b is.
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| 992.5 | Heaps of fun | CURIE::ANKER | Anker Berg-Sonne | Fri May 12 1989 15:07 | 15 |
| Re:< Note 992.4 by CSC32::M_ANTRY >
Sounds like heaps of fun. I would love to do some. What
are good F3B ships?
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| 992.6 | It is going to be $$$$$ and take some time | CSC32::M_ANTRY | | Sat May 13 1989 13:43 | 42 |
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A good F3b plane?????? Haa Haa....A loaded question!
Take your wallet out and hide it before you read this!
Lets label the plane Competative or not so Competative. A very
competative air plane would be like a COMET or KING. These two planes
are made in germany by a fellow named Hans Mueller. They are all hand
built and come about 90% finished. The wings have been built and are
skined with 1mm German white pine. About all you need to do is finish
the fiberglas fuse and shellac/paint/cover the wings. This includes
arrow shaft hinges on the entier trailing edge.
The PRICE of these beuties. About $800.00
Now add on to that:
1. A sofisticated radio to control the ship. Functions would include
Flap to elevator mixing, Rudder to aileron coupling, Camber control
(moving the entire leading edge up or down to control the wing
characteristics), Elevator to flap coupling for tighter turns, and Crow
configuration for landing (Flaps down, ailerons up)
2. 6 Hi-tech servos with metal gear trains, coreless motors, and Ball
bearings.
Take this all out to the field and put it up on a winch for the first
time. Now that makes for excitement.
I just talked with a fellow DECie named Ron Watts and it looks like he
is interested in joining the Colorado Springs F3b team. We are going
to do our F3b team approach the low buck method. Which means we are
going to bypass the $800.00 airplane investment and build ours. We
will buy some fuselages and then cut our own wing cores and build them
up. This way we can afford to have 3-4 of these planes each for
practice and just in caseses. We have 5 people (3 decies) who are
interested. A bare minimum team would be 4, which include: Pilot,
Course timmer/Pilot helper, Chute shagger, Winch runner downer/Working
time timmer.
Its a long long road. But I think we are getting ready to start!!!!!!!
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| 992.7 | How about an East coast team? | CURIE::ANKER | Anker Berg-Sonne | Mon May 15 1989 13:07 | 19 |
| Re:< Note 992.6 by CSC32::M_ANTRY >
I would like to see if we can muster up an East Coast F3B
team. I am not in a position to drum up $800 for the plane and
another $800 for a radio, so I would have to go the el cheapo
route. Would you be willing to sell your "kits" to Easterners?
Kay, Dave? Would you like to try F3B?
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| 992.8 | Yes and No | K::FISHER | Stop and Smell the Balsa! | Mon May 15 1989 13:26 | 30 |
| >< Note 992.7 by CURIE::ANKER "Anker Berg-Sonne" >
> -< How about an East coast team? >-
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> I would like to see if we can muster up an East Coast F3B
> team. I am not in a position to drum up $800 for the plane and
> another $800 for a radio, so I would have to go the el cheapo
> route. Would you be willing to sell your "kits" to Easterners?
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> Kay, Dave? Would you like to try F3B?
Not me - I know my limitations. I want to first earn LSF level 4 and I'm
just starting on level 3. Also I want to become modestly accomplished
at Scale powered flight.
Also - look at the AMA schedule - there are NO F3B contests here this summer.
Tho I have a Lovesong and a Vision on my Wish list that still would not
be good enough for F3B and they are both way beyond my capability. I hope
to be a good enough pilot to justify (to myself) the hardware this next
Christmas.
Having said all that I would be glad to enter any F3B contest you can find.
Speaking of contests - we have had several DECRCM fun flys and no contests
yet?
Bye --+--
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| 992.9 | Sell them kits....Hum???? | CSC32::M_ANTRY | | Mon May 15 1989 13:42 | 10 |
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re: SELL your kits.
I dont think we will be kitting them as folks are with the Skoota Too
but when we start cutting foam cores for wings and stabs we may be able
to cut a whole gaggle of them and get some to you. We will probably
buy the fuselages from somewhere and I will keep results posted here.
I will also let you know when we start to cut cores and see who is
interested.
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| 992.10 | A little early yet for F3B | IGUANO::WALTER | | Fri May 19 1989 17:01 | 13 |
| Re: .7
Anker,
I'd LOVE to get into F3B, but I think that would involve a commitment of time
that I just can't justify right now. And like Kay, I need to do a lot more
flying before my skills are in that league. (You'd understand that if you saw
my touch and goes yesterday with the Kadet.)
But it does intrigue me. I'd like the experience of flying a F3B ship. Maybe we
could get together and build a couple?
Dave
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